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Ah, Pascal’s Wager.
It does nothing to prove the actual existence or nature of God. It's not an argument for the existence of god at all, actually; essentially an argument against atheism based on the relative opportunity versus cost of belief.

Pascal’s wager assumes a very narrow and specific definition of God. Even if there were a god, there is simply no way to know that the assumptions laid out in the wager are actually accurate. For example, why would an all-powerful and benevolent deity banish his creations to Hell for disbelief? It’s equally likely that a deity might reward his followers for being skeptical, in which case Pascal’s wager crumbles. Moreover, believing in God simply to avoid the punishment of Hell is an empty type of belief. Surely, an all-knowing god could identify this insincerity and reward only true believers, not those who worshiped just to avoid consequences.

And since most gods or omniscient, shouldn’t he (or she… Or they) know the exact argument that would propel us to believe? Where is the love?

What's the harm in believing some would ask?

Pascal suggests that there is nothing to lose in believing, even if God is not real. This is not necessarily true. Belief in God can come with a high price for some. Some of the most powerful nations in the world are making major political decisions based on a belief in God. Wars are fought using religion, and the rights of some individuals and groups are oppressed in the name of God. The lives of billions of people around the world are affected by religious beliefs. Blindly accepting claims and making decisions as if they were true in the hope that our chosen deity exists and will reward our efforts seems like a very poor wager when there is no evidence to support that choice and especially if real people are suffering as a result.
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1. Which higher power?
2. Oh, and hell doesn't exist except in people's minds.
3. Evolution has perfectly explained how man arose countless times.
4. The existence of pleasure isn't proof or even evidence of a god.
5. Tell people eaten by sharks or bears or that are allergic to peanuts or get cancer from tobacco (plants we "rule" over, right?) that they're ruling.

The "personal relationship" people have with their god/deity is honestly just a deep-seated, heartfelt, and active relationship with themselves, with THEIR own ego. There is no god. There is no deity. Their relationship is within the confines of their own mind. This is why their god can seem so very real to them. In a sense, he is real. HE ... is THEM. This is why their god's opinions are so very often their opinions. This is why two believers of the same religion can both claim to agree with god's opinion but not with each other's. When they pray and god gives them "answers," they THEMSELVES are the source of those instincts, those intuitions, those feelings, those "insights." When they pray and believe they're hearing the voice of god, they're simply having a conversation with themselves and don't want realize it. This is why god can always assuage the doubts of the believer. Their "god" knows exactly how they think because he is THEM. He knows their tastes, their biases and all the gaps in their logic.

Therefore it follows that "he" knows what arguments they will find compelling and what mental gymnastics they're capable of to ignore any arguments to the contrary and the way they'll neatly make everything fit into their worldview, excusing and ignoring anything that doesn't fit. He knows how they'll move the targets to accommodate their beliefs, how they'll excuse the most horrific behaviors by him in his book. He knows how they'll excuse murder, rape, torture, ignoring the pleas of innocent people, killing those who aren't in the right tribe, abortion, or enslaving people and then beating them within an inch of their lives.

Doubting their salvation or their faith is evidence that their minds are fighting back against the ridiculous concept that an inter dimensional being actually exists and cares about their individual lives ... or any human life for that matter. I probably can't convince them of anything I stated above because of the very fact that it is, in fact, true. THEY are their "god".
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The next time you hear someone preaching or waxing poetic about god, Jesus, Mohamed or Joseph Smith, change all the names and pronouns you hear them say, in your mind, so that they refer to the person speaking and trust me you will get a whole new perspective on life. This is why believers have such a strong emotional reaction whenever they encounter a non-believer. They simply misperceive the non-believers rational skepticism about the supernatural as an assault on their "god" ... which is to say, an assault on their own personal identity. There are a vast multitude of religions and superstitious beliefs in the world that espouse many mutually contradicting doctrines. Therefore they cannot all be true. but they can certainly all be false. Even if one were actually proven to be true it would still follow that human beings have a rather remarkable propensity for making up entire religions and excusing all sorts of injustices committed in their name.

After spending the first 52 years of my life as a staunch believer, I have become convinced that all religions and other supernatural beliefs are cultural phenomena of a purely human making as science slowly dismantles all those beliefs. The old "god of the gaps" phenomenon gets more and more silly as each gap in our knowledge and understanding is filled with scientific discovery and explanations that actually make sense. "Faith" is no longer required to explain the common cold, comets, viruses, eclipses, birth defects, pregnancy, death, disease, mental disorders, chance, dreams, even those "tingly" intuitions that you attribute to an invisible deity.
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He's not wrong
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Yeah because there is something called forgiveness u guys should learn it.
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Do you really believe:
-there was a magic tree in a pristine garden that would grant eternal life to anyone who ate from it?
-there was a talking snake who tricked a woman into eating from a DIFFERENT tree?
-that there were god/human hybrids roaming the earth?
-a donkey, which doesn't have the anatomy to form words, actually spoke to warn a man about an unforgiving angel with a flaming sword ... that the man couldn't see but the donkey could?
-there is an unforgiving god who destroyed every living thing (except fish and mammals in the sea) by way of a worldwide flood, for which there is zero evidence?
-that Sodom and Gomorrah were actual cities (never been found archaeologically) and they were destroyed by "fire and brimstone"?
-that a woman was turned into a pillar of salt because she glanced at said fire and brimstone?
-that a magic bush actually burned with fire yet was still there? Where is this undying bush today? Surely it’s still around …
-that 3 million people left Egypt and went south to cross the Red Sea, when the so-called "Promised Land" was a 3-5 day walk away from where they were?
-that sticks turned into snakes and then back again?
-that the Nile River turned to blood?
-that a pillar of cloud and a pillar of fire led the Hebrews through the dessert ... in circles … for 40 … wait, 80 years?
-that a "death angel" swept through Egypt and only killed the firstborn who didn't have lamb's blood sprinkled with a poisonous plant on their door posts and mantles?
-that three million people had enough cattle, sheep, goats, vegetables, grain, and water to survive for 80 years in the dessert but left not one shred of evidence in the form of broken pottery, wagon wheels, axles, bones, campfire charcoal, dead bodies from the 150,000 sheep they sacrificed in one single day?
-that bread fell from heaven for 80 years, enough to feed those 3 million?
-that trillions of quail blew up from the ocean to feed those people?
-that water came out of a rock after being struck by a stick?
-that the earth opened up and swallowed ** only ** the rebellious followers of Korah?
-that meteorites fell from the sky and ** only ** killed the enemies of the Hebrews?
-that the earth suddenly stopped spinning around the sun for a full 24 hours (the sun stood still)?
-that human skeletons can come back to life and walk around?
-that a disembodied hand wrote prophesy on a wall for Daniel to read?
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-that a man had magic hair that made him strong?
-that a stone or iron or bronze ahead actually floated to the top of the water?
-that a widow's oil and flour never ran out when they only had enough for one meal?
-that a man could be swallowed by a whale (or fish depending on which story you read) and the animal's stomach acid wouldn't kill him after three days without oxygen?
-that hundreds of zombies came out of their tombs and walked around Jerusalem but NOT ONE historian bothered to record it?
-that a loving god would actually harden the heart of a brutal dictator so HE could receive glory?
-that God actually had to tell the Israelites in Deut 23:9 "when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you"? God coulda stepped in it???
-that Lot was called righteous and listed as one of the "heroes of the faith" after he offered his two virgin daughters to be gang raped and THEN got them pregnant? His Own. Daughters.
-that Saul asked for 100 foreskins from David so he could marry his daughter but David returned with 200 foreskins? Think on that request for a moment. Really...
-that God got mad at Moses and decided to kill him but his wife read God's mind and knew that a foreskin from her son would appease God? What is it with foreskins?

I could do this for hours …

It bends comprehension that someone using today’s technology to answer my comments believes these silly little tales made up 2000 to 3000 years ago by middle eastern shaman goatherders.
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