Creepy Condescending Wonka

Lol

10 reasons not to eat animals:

http://action.petaindia.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=111&ea.campaign.id=2891

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but that comment strikes me as intellectually dishonest, in the following way:

When the decision that a woman makes about her own body drastically affects the life of another human being, it's dishonest to pretend that the decision she's taking is only about her own body.

As far as I know, conservatives aren't opposed to the general principle of women deciding what to about their own health and their own bodies. They're opposed to the part where such a decision may end the life of someone else.

When a woman decides whether to continue or terminate a pregnancy, it does affect her own body, but not only her own body. It also affects another person's body (with stakes of life and death).

So by saying "Liberals want to protect a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, including whether to continue or terminate a pregnancy" you're leaving out the most important part of the issue (and the part where the dispute actually lies) - whether or not a woman has a right to make a decision about the life of someone else.

He is that naive. And uncaring. And unintelligent.

I've heard him say babies don't even have the traits of full functioning humans during an abortion debate. He's watched as a 12 week old fetus attempted to save itself from abortion tools and said "it's just reflexes".

He probably wouldn't care if people had post delivery abortions.

Octavia may have a lot of imgflip points, but he's scum to the core. Don't even bother. He loves trolling people with his remorselessness for the unborn.

I have a lot of respect for Octavia, and I know he's not unintelligent. I don't know whether your comment accurately represents his position or not. In my comment to him above, I was just trying to stick with what he was saying in the context.

Having said that, thanks for giving me advice about not spending my time commenting on this issue to every user. I'll think about that. :-)

"I don't know whether your comment accurately represents his position or not." -you

"I can assure you it doesn't." -Octavia

"I've heard him say babies don't even have the traits of full functioning humans during an abortion debate." -me

"I did indeed say that, because it's a medical and biological fact." -Octavia

And yes, you were talking about actual babies, not unborn ones.

"He's watched as a 12 week old fetus attempted to save itself from abortion tools and said "it's just reflexes". -me

"No, I watched a 12-week-old fetus act reflexively during a medical procedure" - Octavia

Why did it move AWAY from the abortion tools instead of flail around aimlessly if it was just reflexes?

Octavia is a liar, has defended pedofilia, and has no empathy for life he considers inferior to himself. He does not deserve your respect just because he's funny.

Yet Grind himself did defend a straight up pedorastic (advocating rape) meme, saying it was just a troll joking (as if opposed to a diary entry?).

I didn't defend it at all. I told people to stay out of the thread because they were being trolled. It was a very telling troll. We got to see who people really were in that thread.

You seemed very disappointed that I didn't get suckered into it. Still do.

You like alt accounts. Did that one not work out for you?

HAHA I see the account was recently deleted. How convenient. I suppose that means the thread is gone too. I bet you thought I forgot to take the screen shot. Modda made me smodda. But you already know that ;)

You excused it, which means you defended it.

I flagged it, just like I flagged you here.
That bother you that much?

Now that guy who is obsessed with the subject is throwing me in also? That's three now, based on what, other than his own projection?

I just read it now.

Why wouldn't he report anyone he suspects? What does that make him, other than a lying trolling hypocrite?

My reply didn't post, damn tablet.

Has he even bothered complaining to the site?
He's mentally imbalanced, but aware of how stupid his lies are, otherwise he'd at least try.

Lols not at all.

It was a troll. It didn't trigger me. There was nothing to excuse because it was fake.

Sorry dude, that one didn't work. Try again some other time. I'm sure you will. People are catching on to your antics. The more you reply here the more it validates peoples suspicions. Quit while you're ahead.

Hey dipshit, haven't you republicants bin bitchin about sexual allegation against Kavanaugh and trump saying where's the proof?, evidence? They got nothin! Well aren't you doin the same to Octavia with no proof or evidence, hypocrite much? Just sayin'

You were the only person in that entire thread to defend the memes content. Others were willing to defend free speech, but only you defended the actual meme. Most people were outraged, but you did exactly what I expected you to do.

In response to you V, check that profile and tell me it wasn't a troll.

Only you excused the meme and the memer. Exactly like I would have expected you to. Love is love right?

"You excused it, which means you defended it" - VagabondSouffle

If he was just an obvious troll, then how can you be called guilty of defending what he said? The stupidity of this dolt astounds.

What did I think enough is enough? Why the hell are you bringing me up about a meme I was the first to complain about and flagged, as stated on that meme. A meme which you defended by saying it was just a joke. Yes, it was, and a vile one at that, trolling or not.

How bad is your mental deficiency?

I didn't say it was a joke, I said it was a Troll. It's one thing to ignore a joke, it's another not to allow oneself to be trolled. If you're going to repeat the same lie I'm going to keep saying the same truth. Enough already. Really uncool getting me flagged into not being able to leave meme comments. Very bm.

My mental deficiency isn't all that bad.

And yet somehow his lowrated comment got upvoted right back on a three week old meme.

Lol it was you and V. Way to be a pair of pussies

How can you be so obtuse to get the pedo out of that? If anything, I figured you go at the incest angle, oh snap, I just gave you another argument. At anyrate, it's a funny meme coment on a wierd ass meme, quit tryna make something that isn't there.

I started reminding him of the Q Anon babble he's been spurting since the summer about the Demz getting locked up in Gitmo 11/11/18, and now that got him going at me.

Propaganda and lies aren't facts. You just believe what ever is convenient or shoved down your throat.

Stonewalling and repeating propaganda isn't a conversation.

I'm not going to waste my time tearing up your argument. You're not going to change your mind. You're in too deep.

Articles are submitted by doctors. If a doctor is an expert on abortion then they make money from abortions. Obviously there's both bias and motivation for bias.

You're such a one dimensional thinker. That's why you gobble up propaganda.

Doctors make more money on prenatal and postnatal care than they do from abortions, so what you say makes no sense.

Abortion is a billion dollar industry. It's worth dumping a few hundred million into paying researchers to make the claims they need to keep the industry going. You're just trolling, you're not that dumb. Why don't you troll him instead?

Abortion is a single visit.
Pregnancy is a tad longer and more involved.
Treatments are prolonged and thus costlier than cures. That's why the medical industry is focused on the former.

Are you truly unable to count past one finger?

And the abortion industry is happy to steal away their clients. Abortion doctors aren't trained for prenatal and postnatal care after all, just executions.

1/8 ratio of abortions to births. That's a sizable chunk. Big market. There's a reason they fight so hard to keep it legal.

Who do you think funds that research?

It's amazing how one dimensional you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrTHVsybYhE

If Octavia payed attention to that stuff he'd understand how f**ked up his beliefs are.

The video

Lol! It's his favorite topic to troll.

Interesting statement...

I think it's a fair question. Are the fetuses of endangered animals considered to be under particular protections as living members of that species? If so, I don't think there's any justification for not extending the 'unalienable rights' of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to all people, regardless of whether they happen to exist within another person or not, because a human being is a human being, and I'm pretty sure that we all agree, except in extreme, limited circumstances, killing other human beings is wrong.

PS - I hope the other comment I wrote didn't sound condescending.

But the reason why I wrote it is the context. If you had put the phrase you wrote in your own meme, then I wouldn't have felt like I needed to say anything (I believe in people's right to phrase their own views in the way most favorable to themselves). But this is not your meme, and your comment seemed to be correcting the OP, and when you're correcting something, the idea is that you need to be moving in the direction of greater clarity (ie, not muddying the waters).

The OP wrote "a woman's right to kill her baby," and your comment seemed like it was trying to clarify or correct it to "a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, including whether to continue or terminate a pregnancy". But that doesn't actually clarify anything. It just shifts the debate to somewhere the debate isn't, and makes it sound like you're just trying to substitute euphemisms because you're uncomfortable with the term "kill her baby."

And liberals don’t like it when a woman is forced to abort a child, either.