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Any American that can and doesn’t vote in the midterms should be tried for treason

Any American that can and doesn’t vote in the midterms should be tried for treason | Any American that CAN and DOESN’T vote in the midterms... Should be tried for treason. Wayne Breivogel | image tagged in anti trump meme,pumpkinfrher,vote,midterms | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Amid vote location reductions, early voting reductions, list purges, social media voting discouragements, claims that you can vote on FB with a hashtag. Isn't that like smashing someone's knee with a lead pipe and then blaming them for not having health insurance?
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0 ups, 6y,
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How is outlawing abortion any different than forcing others to conform to your view?
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And how many programs designed to reduce abortion are there?
Not teaching birth control in schools?
Not teaching positive relationships in schools?
Teaching abstinence in schools?
Reducing the access to contraceptives?

Are there even any programs that are not about making it illegal?

It just looks like a few of us want everyone else to not have sex unless they're trying to make a baby.
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You avoided the first and most clear question.
How many anti-abortion programs are there that are not seeking to make abortion illegal?

Teaching only "abstinence is the only 100%" birth control method is clearly not working.
Teaching children in a central place, like school, about healthy and unhealthy relationships could reduce unwanted or unplanned pregnancies.
Teaching about birth control methods could greatly reduce unwanted pregnancies.
Making birth control more available could reduce unwanted pregnancies.

And just because I choose not to carry to term now doesn't mean I won't plan one later and carry to term. You know, plan my family.
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You avoided my question again. The second version of which was the same except for one more qualifier "not seeking to make it illegal".

And yet, you managed to make several of your own points. You're running for office, not trying to have a productive conversation.

I argue that if there were other "programs" that sought to reduce abortion (along side of the pursuit to make it illegal), perhaps millions of abortions would have been prevented. I am aware of one such program (that started recently) that pushes to reduce the need for abortion by supporting families and women.

Can you name any programs that anti-abortion people use to reduce the incidence of abortion? The more, the better.
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I do see the difference between pro-life and anti-abortion.

The problem lies in the name and in the messaging. Pro-life is not synonymous with anti-abortion. The actions of so called pro-lifers are synonymous with anti-abortion. Pro-birth is synonymous with anti-abortion. It would seem people do not agree that pro-life is a fair and balanced description of the stated and acted goals of the movement. A name for the movement like pro-birth would not attract near the criticism that the current name does. Pro-birth would also not paint the movement in such a positive light.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/mean-pro-life/
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The answer isn't 'none'. But do you personally know of a program that helps women "stay un-pregnant" when they are not "planning to get pregnant". You know, programs that teach women about reproductive health or teach about ways to stay un-pregnant when having sex (you know a bunch are going to do it) or teach the big warning signs of a bad partner or bad relationship?

For the love of life (literally) name some of those programs!
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I don't see any black persons in this picture. Is that because so many politicians are trying to make it hard for them to vote that they should not be tried for treason?
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Voter suppression in record numbers for this election.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/29/voter-suppression-tactics-in-the-age-of-trump
Must be difficult being Republican. Republicans are gerrymandering and suppressing votes to win elections.
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Turnout cannot be the measure for suppression.

"According to the Brennan Center for Justice, ninety-nine bills designed to diminish voter access were introduced last year in thirty-one state legislatures. Many of the recent Republican-led efforts stem from the Supreme Court’s 2013 decision in Shelby v. Holder." October 29, 2018 -The New Yorker

I.D. law is not the only thing supporting the voter suppression claim. People are looking at the legislation being passed and looking at the cross section of the population it affects. When it affects black persons at a higher rate than white persons, they cry fowl. For instance, if black persons make up %30 of the populace and "exact match" applies to a group that is comprised of %70 black persons, that is among the most obviously transparent racist policies or laws. GA.

How many dead people have voted? How many "double" votes were there. I've heard of an individual or two being registered in two places. If what you claim is true, how come the President's inquiry did not report any findings?
This reporting does indicate dead voters on the rolls, but says there is no evidence of any fraudulent votes by the dead.
-https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/why-dead-voters-won-t-tip-presidential-election-n668386

I don't see any support for your claims. Provide some please.
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It cannot because you need to prove that a sufficient majority of the persons affected were in fact able to vote. Turnout does nothing to prove that unless the turnout is like 99%. It is not the measurement because it does not measure the effect.
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Notice that the courts were largely protecting against voter suppression and restricting what states could do as far as laws in the area of voting into the year 2013. In 2008, Republican led legislatures were still inhibited by the courts. In 2016 and this year, which are after 2013, states have not had oversight of the courts.

So, claiming that record suppression is not happening this year because 2008 shows it wasn't, is plainly incorrect. The stakes changed in 2013 and lawmakers were swift to start making changes.

I think we would need a closer look at 2008 because record votes cast by black persons for a black president could have happened in spite of voter suppression (remembering that the courts were blocking efforts that looked biased).
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Moving goalposts? Since you didn't mention exactly what was moving goalposts I'll assume what you referenced. I do not think I specified any time when I repeated record voter suppression. When I did clarify, following what the news is talking about is the vote now.

I would expect YouTube to show more about voter suppression, from user produced content and not MSM content, during voting. Maybe a little about early voting, but I would expect the majority coming from voting day Nov 6.

Voter turnout must approach 100% to be proof that a record voter suppression claim is false. Turnout for presidential voting in 2008 was between %55.4 %64.0 for 18-24 and 25-44 respectively according to New York Times.
Given 1 million voters in a group, and we assume voter turnout is normally between %40 to %55 that gives 400,000 to 550,000 votes.
Assume maybe %8 were blocked from voting somehow, say purged from the voting rolls, that is 80,000.
Assume record voter suppression, maybe 150,000, so %15.
Assume record turnout at %84, so 840,000 votes cast.
Note that %84 + %15 is still below %100 of the electorate.
This concludes my PROOF that you can have record turnout (votes cast) and record suppression. Depending on the percentage claim of suppression, we can play with these numbers to see what sort of turnout proves the particular claim is false.

I will accept proof even if I do not like it. However, your claim that turnout is proof that voter suppression did not happen is incorrect.
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Need a time and date or something to identify what you're talking about with Chris Matthews. I don't even watch that network. How much do you want me to sift through before I "guess" what you're talking about?
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How is it screwing with you? What does it matter if you're registered in a second place? Don't vote twice. Not being able to remove yourself from the rolls by paper or by phone sounds like a protection from people being removed by other people.
There are penalties for casting two ballots. It is clearly stated as against the law.
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I think this alludes to the larger discussion of rolls purging. The hope is that the state would look at their database, notice who is registered twice and do something like remove the older one or contact you with a mailed card or something to verify one. I am more skeptical of the voting fraud despite the double registrations not fixed as election day approaches.
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Who is reporting all this double registrations or voter fraud? Did you just assume that based on your anecdote?
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