The Democrat Matrix

On the State and Federal level, immigrants are already forbidden from voting with possible prison time for attempting to do so. Local elections, there are like 10 or 11 counties in Maryland allow it, while San Francisco limits the franchise to strictly school board elections.

The county seat where I live is considered a sanctuary city, but the voters are generally Republican. Rural area, where many farm workers came looking to work in the fields. So were illegal immigrants voting for Trump? it seems like they live in the areas that put Trump in office and continually elect republican candidates.

If democrats are pursuing this group to bolster their numbers, they're doing it wrong.

Not sure if trolling, or actually unaware that this is a operational goal of the Democratic Party. Democrats aren't fighting for DACA people out of the kindness of their heart. They are looking to get future voters out of them and the rest of the tens of millions of Illegal Immigrants currently in the country. They are looking to find away of granting they, and/or their offspring status if one day they are able to control the WH, House and Senate. It is about numbers needed when hat time comes, and they know they are losing their grip on Blacks.

Please don't attempt to "fake the funk" that you do not already know this.

Really? I call bullshit. You made the original statement, back it up with FACTS. cite your sources

You mean like when democrats try to get rid of needing to provide identification before voting? Yeh...

Because it is racist, and it is a complete lie.

Since it's against Federal law for non-citizens to vote in federal elections, why is it that nobody has been arrested for false voting? I mean, surely, if you believe the numbers of illegal votes being cast, at least ONE person would have been arrested. Google it and you'll see that the only voters arrested for fraud aren't undocumented workers, but, have had felony convictions. Not all states strip a citizen of their voting rights when they are convicted of a felony, but some do. Apparently, it's not enough to urge either party to fight that unjust law.

When I registered to vote, I had to produce a government ID, my birth certificate, and a letter with my current address. This was just to register. Do I need to do this every time? If so, then a drivers license/government photo ID should be all I need to show to vote, not those in addition to my voter registration card.

But then, I guess everyone has to fear some form of boogie man

Democrats want to eliminate providing any form of identification to vote. Since voting is anonymous, how are unregistered people supposed to be prevented from voting? It's not a boogie man fear, they have tried on multiple occasions to pass such laws.

Haha! I don't think he meant to be honest.

'Hey look! I got invited to be interviewed on Fox News! Finally, the appreciation I deserve that my own party has denied me... '

Who was the person Carson was interviewing? It certainly wasn't Tom Perez from the DNC. It's interesting to note that any attribution to the interviewee and the organization he represented was left out of this clip. Do I did some digging. Turns out to be a left leaning questionable organization called Center for American Progress. About as reliable as The Heritage Foundation, only difference is it's left leaning instead of far right. Like the right wing, they use hyperbole to get their message across. But, while the DNC bows down to them, they are totally separate.

Perez did send out an email last September concerning Trump's rescinding DACA, and, while it had the standard "Send us your money" signature file, it mentioned nothing about immigrants being a future source of Democrat voters. In fact, considering where a large chunk of the undocumented immigrants live, I'm surprised that the GOP isn't courting them.

What do you think the "path to citizenship" that democrats keep demanding for illegal aliens is all about? (Note that a path to citizenship already exists, what they are really mean is a fast track to citizenship for people who cut in line)
I also find is amusing that no one is contesting the claim that democrats "Abandoned American morals and values"

Do you mean the fast track like Ronald Reagan put through back in 1986? A bipartisan effort, but in the end, it took an executive order to put the children of the fast trackers in the the program. We wound up with 3.2 Million new citizens because of that. And, for the most part, those immigrants came up from Mexico for job opportunities. Today, Mexican citizens represent less than half of the illegal immigrants in the US, while the rest come from Central America and Asia according to the Pew Research Center. Apparently, the number of Illegals from Europe, Africa, Australia, and Canada are pretty small, so they didn't bring the matter up. Pew points out that 59% of the illegal immigrants are living in 5 states: Blue states, California, Illinois, and New York, and red states Texas and Florida. The remaining 41% are spread out among the other 50 states. Looking at the political map, it looks like the red states may have the higher percent of the remaining illegals.

Former New Jersey Supreme Court judge and Fox News legal analyst, Andrew Napolitano, recently commented about the current "hot button" issue of children being separated from their families as being a form of child abuse. Apparently, the president is using it as a bargaining chip in the immigration issue. Another thing Napolitano points out is that the laws we DO have in place are being cherry picked as far as enforcement. One thing he pointed out was that the maximum time a child could be separated from its parent(s) is, IIRC, 78 hours. (it could be 72, but I'm not sure, so I'll high end it)

The contention that it is only one party or another is responsible for the immigration issue is pure speculation without facts to back it up.

As far as contesting the "Abandoned American morals and values", I need an exact definition of those morals and values. Don't be surprised at that rebuttal, but please, define it.

I noticed you didn't respond to the part about Democrats abandoning illegals if they weren't given voting rights. You appeared to challenge everything else, why stop shot of that area?

Also when you make your claim that Illegal Mexican immigrants count as less than half the population, do you mean they are 49%? Asking because Bitcoin currently dominates the Crypto market at 40%, and that 40% has a huge effect. If illegal Mexican immigrants are dominating the numbers, they have a huge effect overall.

Why is it Democrats are all about accepting illegal activity when it benefits them? As was already stated, there is already a way for people to get their citizenship and to do it legally. People do it every day, so why can't these illegals do it?

Since when is it so wrong or difficult to follow and obey the law? It amazes me just what lows get in the way for them, and how they are virtually the very same laws found in all free countries.

As for not knowing what the abandoned American morals and values are, shouldn't you be asking yourself why you weren't taught those given that you don't know what they are? Asking seriously mind you.

Let me ask you a question: why do so many people come here illegally? Terrorism? Sorry, we have more of the home grown variety that we need to worry about. (Funny, most of the foreign born terrorists terrorists we've dealt with have been in the country legally)

So why do they come here illegally? Originally, it was to earn a living that they couldn't afford to do in their homelands. Enter in US businessmen that are more than happy to hire these undocumented workers. If they get caught, the fines are little more than a slap on the wrist.They save more in that by paying substandard wages to these undocumented workers as well as skip around other laws, workplace safety being one of the biggest violations. When the talk of building the wall was loudly and often proclaimed during the last election, Americans were told that Mexico was going to pay for it. Perhaps we should look to the businesses that hire undocumented workers to pay for it. Of course, with the current sliding scale fining system, employers save more on wages than what they'd pay in fines. current minimum is $548 per illegal employee for first offense (max $4,384) at this level, most businesses get hit with the $548 amount) Second offense minimum is $4,384 with a maximum of $10,957 per illegal employee. All subsequent offenses have a minimum of $6,575 with a max of $21,916 per employee. I suggest that the minimum on the first offense be no less than $10,000 per employee, with an additional $2,000 for each employee. A single employee would cost $10K in fines, a second employee would cost $12K, a third would be $14K, a fourth, $16K, and so one. Second offense, minimum would be the highest amount paid for a single employee from the first offense, but the additional per employee would go up an extra $1,000, so it would start @ an extra $3K penalty. Every offense, the bump up would be $1000. Better believe that business owners would be jumping to change the immigration laws.

As for the morals and values? I want to make sure we are on the same page. Since you bring it up, I want you to quantify it. otherwise, I have to call bullshit on America EVER having morals and values. (and I can show it pretty easily, too)

I think dealing with the aftermath of people fleeing from their home country is a band aid solution. All we see and deal with is people crossing the border. Why? Is the bigger question they come here. Ease of access? America was under tyrannical British rule before we revolted. Why flee your country? Revolt. Change the status quo. From some of the pictures it's not all women and children. Young men as well.

Lets look at the source of the people fleeing their countries. You'll find, behind the scene, the US government pulling the strings. It props up dictators when it's beneficial to American business,or other US interests, and tears them down when those dictators won't follow orders. How involved is the CIA in the drug cartels? We are responsible for the misery in those countries, so we have that responsibility.

But the discussion here is illegal immigrants, not refugees from other parts of the world where the US insists on playing God for American interests. Still, the same occurs with the illegal immigrants in this hemisphere. Our government refuses to take responsibility for it's actions, then start a campaign denouncing the repercussions that those actions have brought about. Our government has become as tyrannical as Great Brittan was in 1776, owned by powerful corporations who care not of the people they hurt, but to make as much profit as possible. Currently, our country is run by corporate overlords, and has been run as such for most of our history. Don't think so? why was it so important that corporations fought so hard for the right of being people? Are you ready to revolt against the government to correct this, like our ancestors did in the 18th century against England. Or like the southern states did in the 19th century?

That's brilliant

I love it - spot on!!

deplorable AND feckless - so sayith many that are leaving the GOP - http://www.newsweek.com/former-mccain-campaign-manager-leaves-republican-party-985854

McCain was never a real Republican so clearly the same is said with his manager, and Newsweek hasn't been a real news outlet since the 1990s.