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Jesus Cross | WHY IS IT THAT.. PEOPLE ARE SO EASY TO ACCEPT METAPHYSICS, WICCA, PAGANISM, CONSPIRACIES, AND ALIENS. BUT HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING IN JESU | image tagged in jesus cross | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Yes, it is very difficult to be like Christ, yet that is the challenge all Christians must take. Unfortunately, it can take a lifetime to realize and accept the errors of one's ways, and amend them to conform to Christ's teachings. There are also so many things that can distract us along the way, giving us three situations(as stated in Scripture): 1. The seed on rock, 2. The seed in thorns, 3. And the seed within good ground. Many of us are the first two, and few are the third. However, those of the first two must find a way to good ground, so that they may flower and have life.
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I'm 14, a christian, and I know this, most people are just bigots!
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You're correct. I remember some time back a vendor where I used to set up had little statues of scenes at church: the gossips, the self-righteous, etc. Every church I've ever been to had these stereo types.

On the flip side, though, are those that try to live by Christ's teachings. You'll find them actually working to not just give people a hand, but a hand up. Look at most of the self-proclaimed "Christians" here and you will see they don't follow, much less understand, those teachings. They act like WWJD means We Want Jack Daniels so they have an excuse for their behavior.
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Exactly, and I'm lucky enough to know that. I'm also lucky enough to go to a church that has none of those groups, at least not any more!
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WHEN YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE BUT NOT IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Because none of the others has any moral requirements.
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Yes, I do think you have a good point. It's a symptom of our current culture.
From my understanding, we have all been conditioned into believing the things of the anti-christ and unworldly "phenomenon" because it has been normalized through movies and music. Anything other than the bible has become more easily to believe because God has been taken out of many platforms.
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One wonders how Jesus would do today.
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true and like you said about God being taken out of things, one of those is the public school system in america. people are trying to blame school shooting on guns but its really the families, how the children are being brought up and taught. its the childs fault for shooting someone, but its the parents and schools responsibility to teach and raise the kid in a Godly manner. all these school shooting have been increasing after the 10 commandments have been taken outa of school and making praying in school illegal. when my dad was in school, like 40 years ago, the ten commandments were practiced in memorization and the school played before class, not everyone believed in christianity, not very many people agreed with the bible's teachings but they still respected it and used it as the best way to train a child. and even if the children dont believe it, it has an influence on them just hearing it.
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prayed before class* i mean
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Sorry, but being a person of faith does not have anything to do with becoming a better person. You do not need read the bible or live according to the 10 commandments to be a good person in life. It is just having a good upbringing, loving parents and having respect for others. I think throughout the world we see what blindly following a book can lead to.
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"its the parents and schools responsibility to teach and raise the kid in a Godly manner."

It's not the responsibility of public schools to teach kids about the god of the Bible, or any god for that matter. It's not the government's job to endorse religion, and in fact, it's prohibited from doing so.

"all these school shooting have been increasing after the 10 commandments have been taken outa of school"

You're making a logical fallacy called Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc ("after this, therefore because of this"). Just because one thing happened after another thing, that doesn't necessarily point to a direct cause/effect relationship.

"and making praying in school illegal."

Praying in school is not illegal, and never has been. That's a common myth perpetuated by conservative Christians who love to feel persecuted. Students can pray as much and as often as they want. Teachers cannot lead students in prayer. There is a huge difference. If pray itself, as a whole, is illegal, please show me the exact law that says that.

"when my dad was in school, like 40 years ago, the ten commandments were practiced in memorization and the school played before class,"

And it was unconstitutional. That's why things are different now: because people finally spoke up and said "you can't legally do this".

"and even if the children dont believe it, it has an influence on them just hearing it."

So you'd be okay with public school students being raised up in the teachings of the Quran, then, right?
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our country was built on Christian standards, so i wonder why crap is happening now that God is being taken out of the country schools and life. God will judge our nation and it will burn in fire and all those who dont know Christ as savior will burn in hell for eternity with the devil and his angles
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"our country was built on Christian standards"

Show me where it says that in the US Constitution, please

"so i wonder why crap is happening now that God is being taken out of the country schools and life."

How is god being "taken out" of the country? Is you god that weak, that he can be pushed around and kicked out of places?

"God will judge our nation and it will burn in fire and all those who dont know Christ as savior will burn in hell for eternity with the devil and his angles"

If your god throws people into Hell to burn alive for eternity for finite wrongdoings, then he doesn't deserve my worship. He's a piece of dog shit.
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why should i show you anything? you have the power to do research on your own, you should rather do that than listent o me because then youll just argue againt me anyways no matter what i say i believe so just look up whatever the heck you want and believe what ever you want. god isnt a physical person like your mom who can be pushed in and outa bed all the time.
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It was a rhetorical question, because the Constitution says absolutely nothing about Christianity or the Bible or Jesus. Sorry.
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i never referenced the constitution. the declaration of independence does mention God tho, and we have "in God we trust" on our currencies, but i suppose that dont mean much. other than that its just the history of the united-states and that it was mostly based on God and most of the early presidents prayed to God for guidance and of course we have thanks giving to remember how God spared the pilgrims and that story in history. proving the bible and God is just like trying to prove anything you learn in history class in school. there no proof except a few places you can visit, some pictures of suposed real people in those days but its mainly based on faith and trust of whats been taught and passed down throw generation to generation. its the exact same thing as the bible, theres no real way to prove anything i suppose, but there are historic places in israel that you can go visit and see, that are also mentioned in the bible, but its mostly based on faith and also the fact that it has been taught throughout he generation from father to son to grandson and so on. someone didnt just write the bible and then get thousands of people to believe it and then pass it down to their children telling them its real
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with that being said youll probably ask who wrote the bible. well i believe (as it is written) that is was slowly written over a long period of time by people who were inspired by the hold spirit of the Lord. a lot of it was God instructions that he inspired into men to then be able to write about stuff that they didnt even know about and also to write about future events.
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"and that it was mostly based on God"

Which you still haven't shown to be the case.

"its the exact same thing as the bible,"

Except the Bible contains elements which are obviously fictional, like magic, angels, demons, etc. And numerous stories in the Bible have no historical corroboration whatsoever.

"but there are historic places in israel that you can go visit and see, that are also mentioned in the bible,"

That doesn't tell me that the stories in the Bible actually happened. You can visit New York City. Spider-Man lives in New York City. Does that mean he is real?

"and also the fact that it has been taught throughout he generation from father to son to grandson and so on."

Being passed down from generation to generation doesn't mean it's true.

"with that being said youll probably ask who wrote the bible."

I don't believe anyone today knows who wrote some books of the Bible. Some were likely authored by Paul. Most of the Old Testament, we can't possibly know for certain. Scholars are certain that Moses didn't write the first five books.

"slowly written over a long period of time by people who were inspired by the hold spirit of the Lord."

How do you tell if something was inspired by the Holy Spirit or not?

"and also to write about future events."

Such as?
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what do you believe? about life, death, our country
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do you believe in God? or anything written in world history books?
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theres not billions of Christians in the world. like 3 percent of americans are true bible believing, fundamental Christians. a lot of people identify with Christianity but there are few believers among them
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Welcome to Planet Earth.
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says an online stat probably mate by a non caring atheist. there is not that many people who are believers, it doesnt matter if someone says they are a Christian or not.
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Yes, there are over 2 billion Christians on planet Earth.

Your making a No True Scotsman fallacy. Also, that means I can say you aren't a "true Christian", because I don't believe you are one.

"says an online stat probably mate by a non caring atheist."

And you're basing this assertion on...what, exactly? Why on Earth would an atheist fudge numbers to make the percentage of Christians look large than it actually is?
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well my pastor told me differently, and id much rather trust a true bible believing baptist Christian than an online stat or a bunch of lost sinners on imgflip
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So you'd rather trust what another Christian says, even if they're wrong? You have a severe case of confirmation bias. If any facts or evidence disagree with your beliefs, you'd rather just ignore them? You honestly don't believe a Christian is capable of being incorrect?
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"So you'd rather trust what another Christian says, even if they're wrong?" if a Christian is making a statement based on biblical Scriptures im gonna believe it no matter what, even if i dont agree or think i like it, bit if its in the bible its correct.
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"If it's in the Bible it's correct"

So the Bible has no mistakes in it? Then perhaps you could point me to those fire-breathing monsters mentioned in Job. Or explain how stars can fall to the ground, like Jesus says. Or explain how having livestock mate in front of striped sticks makes them produce striped offspring, like Jacob did in Genesis. You're free to live in a world of make-believe where the Bible has no mistakes, but don't get upset when reality hits you in the face.
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well the only answer i have for knowing that the bible is perfect and mistake free would be to give you a verse from the bible that says so. so that wont help you. as far as mistakes like the fire breathing dragon its been used as a metaphor and also to describe the devil or anti Christ but im not 100 sure on that. and for the stars falling that could either just mean what we call shooting stars, unless youre referring to johns vision of heaven and the events that are to still take place before the end of the world
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"well the only answer i have for knowing that the bible is perfect and mistake free would be to give you a verse from the bible that says so."

So the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true? And you don't see anything wrong with that logic? You should also believe the Quran is totally true, because it also claims to be from god.

"as far as mistakes like the fire breathing dragon its been used as a metaphor and also to describe the devil or anti Christ but im not 100 sure on that."

Job 41:19-21 describes an actual animal, not a metaphor for Satan.

"and for the stars falling that could either just mean what we call shooting stars, unless youre referring to johns vision of heaven and the events that are to still take place before the end of the world"

Mark 13:25 and other verses refer to actual stars falling down to Earth, which is physically impossible.
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According to a recent survey in the United States, eighty-five percent of the people questioned said they were Christian. However, when questioned further under criteria of a evangelical Christianity that salvation only comes through faith in Jesus alone and that the truth and concepts in the Bible are totally inspired and should be their guide for living, only eight percent said that they could then be called Evangelical Christians.

Another survey said that less than 10 percent of Christians believe in absolute truth.

Yet another another survey of Evangelical Christians said that one third believed that Jesus sinned.

About half believed that you can find God through other religious.

Many think there is no hell.

These survey were taken in America but much of the world would say things that are equally revealing. These surveys help confirm a theory that I have that only a tithe (10 Percent) of those that identify with Christianity are actually born of the Holy Spirit and thus will be found worthy to leave in the Rapture.
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"However, when questioned further under criteria of a evangelical Christianity that salvation only comes through faith in Jesus alone and that the truth and concepts in the Bible are totally inspired and should be their guide for living, only eight percent said that they could then be called Evangelical Christians."

So if someone doesn't meet those criteria of a specifically evangelical survey, they aren't really Christians? That is absurd.

"Many think there is no hell."

Can you prove there is a Hell?

"These surveys help confirm a theory that I have that only a tithe (10 Percent) of those that identify with Christianity are actually born of the Holy Spirit and thus will be found worthy to leave in the Rapture."

Let me know when you magically float up into the sky so I can have your stuff :) Also, how did you get to the 10% number? Where does the Bible say that?
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why do i need to prove to you that hell is real? you already dont believe it, obviously and you know that no matter what i say or use it aint gonna change your mind idiot. why does the bible need to prove a 10 percent number done by a survey, you dont believe the bible anyways so what the heck to asking for scriptures for?
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"why do i need to prove to you that hell is real?"

You're the one who says Hell is real. Can't you prove it is? If you can't, why do you believe it in the first place?

"you already dont believe it, obviously and you know that no matter what i say or use it aint gonna change your mind idiot."

If your evidence was compelling enough, then yes, I might actually believe it. Also, calling me an idiot is not an argument, or evidence.
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well i cant prove hell is real other than what the bible says.
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then i guess you have your mind up. good luck in the future, ill still be around following your memes and stuff but i cant win this argument, im too immature in the Christian faith right now to fight against all of your facts so im just gonna leave this post. nothing personal, i understand you believe differently, we just like to always win a conversation right?
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And what the Bible says doesn't prove anything.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_morality
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The thing with satan is that he is the master at deception. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He is the false peace. Most of the time, wiccans use their power through satanic rituals unknowingly because of the deception the anit-christ uses unto innocent people.
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Do you have any proof that Satan exists?
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He doesn't have the proof,because I have the proof that Satan doesn't exist

So,according to Christianity,God is an omnipotent and omnipresent being,or in other words,God is everything,and Satan is a being opposite of God.So,if God is everything,and Satan is the opposite of God,then that has to mean Satan is nothing,or in other words,he doesn't exist

That,of course,makes the whole christian phobia of Satan and his deceptions even more hilarious that it already is
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This isn't a valid argument. Nowhere in scripture or Christian teachings is it found that Satan is an opposite and or equal entity to God. Instead, he is revealed to be a fallen angel, inferior in all aspects to God, and a creation of God who owes his own existence and subsistence to him. You're equivocating Buddhist dualism with the concept good and evil, two ideas in conflict with each other.
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i would love to read that in the bible. can you post the verses please?
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I definitely see your argument, but I would say that in Christian teaching, god is everywhere, but not everything :) the belief that god is everything is pantheism.
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Christians teach that all of creation (universe) was created by God, that his presence can be found everywhere, and yet be independent of creation as well.
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God is everywhere, but not in everything. God is not in sin, but he is still there when you cry out for help because you messed up. Just because you can't hear him, doesn't mean he isn't there!
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Just because you can't hear Zeus doesn't mean he isn't there.
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I don't see his presence anywhere. Can you point me in the proper direction?
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Octavia,
God is everywhere you truly seek him, and nowhere where you truly don't. I don't think pandering to idle curiosity is in his list of things to do, but when life brings you to the point where you're crying out for him, you'll likely find that he is there waiting to be discovered with arms wide open. The search must be genuine however. Asking for someone to show a being that is spirit to you is like asking someone to point out a thought, or the wind. I could point out the the effects of the wind, the effects of a thought, but those would never confirm the existence of such. I could equally point out the effects of God, but the casual seeker will always find ways to explain them away. It's the heart that must do the seeking, not the eyes or the head.
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"...but when life brings you to the point where you're crying out for him, you'll likely find that he is there waiting to be discovered with arms wide open."

So he only reveals himself to people who are actively looking for him? That sounds very self-fulfilling. If you look for something hard enough, you'll probably find it, even if it isn't there.

"The search must be genuine however."

Which gives believers the opportunity to dismiss as insincere anyone who looks for god and doesn't find him.

"Asking for someone to show a being that is spirit to you is like asking someone to point out a thought, or the wind."

Please explain what "spirit" means, and please explain how a non-physical being can interact with and affect our physical universe.

"I could equally point out the effects of God,"

Except that wind is a real thing that is proven to exist. Pointing to things and saying they are effects of god doesn't prove that god exists, or that he affects things. I could point to those very same things and say they prove that magic pixies exist. Can you prove me wrong?

"but the casual seeker will always find ways to explain them away."

If by "casual seeker" you mean rational skeptic, then yes.

"It's the heart that must do the seeking, not the eyes or the head."

So what you're saying is, when I'm trying to find out what's true, I should use my emotions, not my intellect?
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look around you. God made everything to show us that there is a creator, a loving God who made all of this for us. psalm 19: 1-5 says "The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
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When I look around me, I see trees and mountains and clouds and animals and things like that. I didn't see god make any of it.

How do you know the god you worship made all this stuff?
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well obviously you didnt see god make the mountains. as far as i know, they've been around longer than you. and its as simple as i believe it, and its written in the bible that i believe, just like how you dont believe it. easy as that
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"and its as simple as i believe it, and its written in the bible that i believe"

You're right about one thing: that is simple. It's so simple, it's childishly simple. "The Bible says it, so I believe it". Good for you. Let the Bible do your thinking for you. Because doubt and skepticism are such scary, horrible things, right?
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well no, but im sure the bible has better advice than i can give myself. and yes i believe that we should use the bible to get advice from and to help with our thinking of problems in life
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Does the Bible contain some good advice? Yes, it does. But any source that claims it is completely, totally without error, and even looks down on and condemns skepticism, should not be trusted
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Thank you for this:)
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Thank you ?
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Failed prophecies? What are you talking about? Jesus made extremely accurate predictions, like earthquakes happening...somewhere...at some unspecified time...ooh, and he predicted wars and rumors of wars! That's really specific! It can only apply to...every time ever... Hmmm...ooh! What about when he said stars would fall from the sky? That happens...right? What about when he predicted famines? That could only apply to...umm...hmm...yeah, I got nothing
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God doesnt give dates, just like our life, no man knows his time, and God said that no one knows the day of the lord (the second coming of Jesus Christ) he did say tho that there would be an increase in wars and earthquakes in the last days, which we definitely have had. one thing a lot of people over look is Israel and Jerusalem and the things teh bible has to say about what will happen with those places in the end time. i dont know enough about that specific but i do know that the prophecies of israel have already been fulfilled and the bible talks about the other countries joined or fighting against israel which those countries have done so recently. of course in the bible theres no germany or france but the countries it does mention are the ones that are here today but renamed. like for example it may say "the counties of the east will turn against israel", and today the counties of the east have done so( that was an example)
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"God doesnt give dates"

He doesn't give many details, either; at least not enough details to actually confirm that what happened was a real fulfillment of prophecy.

"God said that no one knows the day of the lord (the second coming of Jesus Christ)"

Why didn't Jesus know when he would return? God is supposed to be omniscient. Jesus is supposed to be god. That means Jesus is supposed to be omniscient. But he isn't.

"he did say tho that there would be an increase in wars and earthquakes in the last days, which we definitely have had."

Show me evidence of an actual increase in earthquakes.

"one thing a lot of people over look is Israel and Jerusalem and the things teh bible has to say about what will happen with those places in the end time."

People overlook Israel and Jerusalem? That's like 90% of what I hear prophecy teachers talks about.

"i do know that the prophecies of israel have already been fulfilled"

Such as...? Becoming a nation? That's not a fulfillment of prophecy. That was intentionally made to happen in 1948. If something is predicted to happen, then people actually make it happen on purpose, that's not impressive.

"the countries it does mention are the ones that are here today but renamed."

So which country is Gog? Which is Magog?

"like for example it may say "the counties of the east will turn against israel", and today the counties of the east have done so"

"East" is so vague as to be useless. Lots of countries are east of Israel. Lots of countries are north of Israel. Lots of countries are south of Israel. These "prophecies" are incredibly unspecific. Only people who already believe they are true find them impressive.
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You didn't even answer any of my questions. Don't you feel your beliefs can be supported and defended?
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no by you. not by anyone who youd care enough to listen to either so it doesnt matter
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did you predict that I would laugh hysterically? cause that happened.

seriously though, not trying to be mean or anything. its just the irony!!
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What irony?

I said that if something is predicted (or prophesied) to happen, and people deliberately make it happen, I don't see it as a real prophecy.

If I predict that two teams will play in the super bowl next year, and that comes to pass, will you consider me a prophet of god?
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if you tell me what teams will be there then, ya i will consider it. and if you can tell me the final score i'll consider it even further. (large part of me is waiting in expectation) I'd love to hear your predictions!!! (not trying to be condescending or anything)
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I didn't even mean any two specific teams, just two teams, period. If I predict that, would you consider me a prophet?
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well... uhhhh. . . not really. LOL!! also you never claimed to be a prophet. and matt 7:15 tells us to beware of false prophets.

how about if I gave you the name of someone who would conquer one of the largest governments in the world? also told you how they would do it and how easily it would be? and gave it to you 200 years in advance?
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You'd have to give me more information than that. A name and general game plan isn't specific enough to convince me that what you said was of divine origin or prophecy.
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ok. say i gave you a specific name, game plan (which knowing the area doesn't seem possible) and how long it would take? keep in mind the most powerful government in the world would have the best type of protection in place right?
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It all depends on how specific your details are, really.

And it would have to be predicted in great detail beforehand, and then hidden away somewhere, otherwise (like the nation of Israel being created in 1948) people could deliberately manipulate things to make it happen intentionally.
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i can understand that.
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ok I don't agree but that sarcasm is hilarious though. LOL!!!
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It's frightening and sad when we really think about it. Jesus Christ taught a lesson that is so foreign to human nature both then and today that people find it so hard to believe such a person really existed. That lesson is "selflessness," to lay down your life for others.
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I'm not skeptical of the stories about Jesus because he taught selflessness. I'm skeptical of them because they contain obviously mythical and unrealistic elements, like zombies, miracles and magic tricks.

Selflessness is not unique to Christians or Christianity, not by a longshot.
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It's funny, and sad, how most of the people in here completely missed the point of your post. Of the people who mocked Christians, only laonsite responded to your point.
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Probably because of the people who speak for him.
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A second point I have on why we accept....
Metaphysics: because why not think about why things happen?
Wicca: evidence that this exists?
Paganism: Because religion, lets face it, is starting to look real bad now
Conspiracies: BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE THAT GIANT TRANSGENDER LIZARDS EXIST IS RIGHT THERE, THE LIBERAL MEDIA REFUSES TO COVER IT
Aliens: why should Earth be the only planet with life?
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Could be that he is in an equally ridiculous category as those other things lul
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Because Jesus and the Bible make the least amount of sense
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once you are saved you want to obey God and he changes you, you dont want to do those old sins anymore, thats the beauty of christianity is that god changes you, its nothing we can do on our own.
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if youre really trying to say God didnt save the people in noah's days was because they mocked and hated God. God told noah to tell them the truth but they didnt listen, thats why only noah and part of his family was able to go onto the ark, the rest of the world was destroyed by water to cleanse away the rebellious people. thats why God made us the rainbow, its a promise that he will never destroy the earth by water again. he has a much better way instead he will destroy it with fire and a new earth and a new heaven shall be made for only the Christians of heaven and those on earth who follow Christ into the rapture. the rest will eventually be thrown into the eternal lake of fire forever and where there will be screaming and gnashing of the teeth for eternity
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"God told noah to tell them the truth but they didnt listen"

False. Absolutely false. The Bible never says that god told Noah to go preach repentance to people. He told Noah to build the ark and he built it. If god told Noah to go warn people of his impending judgement, show me the exact verse, please.

"the rest of the world was destroyed by water to cleanse away the rebellious people."

"Cleanse away". Nice euphemism. So god drowning little kids and toddlers and babies is "cleansing" the world? You realize you're literally comparing genocide to a "cleansing". You worship a god who drowns little babies and children? Any god who would do that is a piece of trash, and doesn't deserve my worship.

"he has a much better way instead he will destroy it with fire"

Much better. Instead of drowning little kids and babies, just burn them up.

"the rest will eventually be thrown into the eternal lake of fire forever and where there will be screaming and gnashing of the teeth for eternity"

Honestly, how do you sleep at night, believing that god would do that to people? Is your morality so seared, that you've convinced yourself that burning people alive for eternity is okay? Imagine someone sent you an anonymous email saying they would set a school on fire and burn everyone inside alive, but that it's okay, because everyone at that school isn't a Christian. Would you be okay with that? Or would you tell them that's a horrible, barbaric, unspeakable thing to do?
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2 peter 2:5 Noah is called a preacher of righteousness

no where in the bible does it say that man will suffer in an eternal pit of fire and torment. nor does it say that man has an immortal soul. those are man made beliefs that were adopted to "Christianity" to scare ppl into converting to false Christianity

I once had a similar conversation with a Zen Buddhist, who didn't believe in God. He said God is a F****** demon. etc... he also said some of the same things you are saying. He also had his concealed carry permit. so I asked him if he was in a coffee shop, and a mad gunman walked in with an ar-15 and started shooting ppl. would he pull out his pistol and try to stop the mad gunman? he said he would. then i asked "what if the coffee shop was filled with his (the Zen Buddhists) children?" would he be more or less inclined to stop the man? he said "more inclined!!! Definitely" so I asked if he could know, without a doubt what that gunman was going to do, how he was intent on killing as many of your children as possible. simply for the fact that they are your children. would you stop him before he opens fire? He said he would. (at this point he kinda got quiet cause i think he knew where i was going with this) so then I said now imagine a whole city of mad gunman intent on killing your children. and you have the ability and foreknowledge to stop them all. would you? at this point he says that's not possible, that would never happen. yadda yadda. so I said that's exactly what happened. their hearts were filled with only bad all the time. and he is the one who created everything. He has the right to do whatever he wants. just like you have free will and the right to choose whatever you like.

Obviously i'll never change your mind. and you'll never change mine. so the real question is why are we spending countless hrs arguing with complete strangers. LOL!!! oh the internet. what a joy!!! LOL!!

how would you explain the internet to someone from the 50's?
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"no where in the bible does it say that man will suffer in an eternal pit of fire and torment."

Many verses detail what Jesus said about Hell, and he describes it exactly that way.

"those are man made beliefs that were adopted to "Christianity" to scare ppl into converting to false Christianity"

Please explain
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https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/tbhell.html its kind of a dry read, but some good info.

if sheol (the old KJV says hell) was a place of fire and torment why would job pray to go there? Job 14:13 Oh that you would hide me in Sheol, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!
the 2000 KJV has been translated more accurately. Job 14:13 O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would conceal me, until your wrath is past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!
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well it was actually noah and his wife and then their 3 sons and their wives
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Good point, they're all silly made up things!
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Because, most Christians who say they're Christians aren't Christians. God predestined those whom He would give to Christ. God causes the believing to believe, He also causes the unbelieving not to believe. God hardened pharaoh's heart, He'll hardened others as well. God is absolutely sovereign in ALL things. He causes ALL things (irrespective of what we think is good or evil) to happen. So to answer your question, it's God who causes these people to think the way they do. Search the scriptures for yourself, God's hand is in EVERYTHING that has ever happened.
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Are you a Calvinist? You sound like one.

You're basically saying that god decides who will accept him and who won't. So that kinda does away with free will. It also means he creates some people knowing full well that he will throw them into Hell. Your god sounds like an asshole. If you had the cure for a horrible disease, would you only give it to certain people? If so, you're an asshole. If not, you're better than your god. Hell, I'm better than your god, because I wouldn't do anything that barbaric.

And you can't get mad at me for anything I'm saying, because your god is making me say it, according to your logic.

Also, you made a No True Scotsman fallacy in your first sentence.
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what he means by most people who say they are Christians arent Christians is that there are a lot of people who identify with Christianly and call themselves Christians but its evidence in their life that they do not really know Jesus as their personal savior. im not a calvinist tho, i believe that God has already set apart the righteous and the unrighteous in the book of the lamb. jesus died for all to be saved, everyone can be saved, not all will because not all will except christ. we do have to option to be saves and accept christ as saviour tho, you can leave someone and expect them to find christ on there own, the bible talks about faith cometh by hearing and hearing of the word of God, so we do need to wittiness to people and evangelize. and DarthFunk, i dont know if youre really a calvinist or not, and whether we disagree on this doesnt really matter as much as if youre a Christian or not. Octavia_Melody, yes God created people knowing that in the future theyd end up in hell, its our choice to accept Christ and if someone doesent then yeah theyre going to hell
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i would love to read the scripture that says god is omnipresent. or omniscient. can you post it? or the scripture that man will suffer in an eternal pit of fire and torment. can you post that one please. or the scripture that says man has an immortal soul. please please please can you post them? i've read the bible cover to cover and i've never found them
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Deuteronomy 31:6 - Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [it is] that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

Proverbs 15:3 - The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Job 34:21 - For his eyes [are] upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Matthew 25:46 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
obviously you either dont really read the bible or you dont read the christian bible. i would suggest reading the KING JAMES BIBLE as it is the only true inspired transcript from the greek left. it can be harder to understand but reading more and more youll understand the english they use
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thank you for posting the scriptures :-) i was technically looking for the words omniscient and omnipresent. it was a trick question, cause i knew they weren't in the bible. but you did a good job finding scriptures that say pretty much the same thing. so thanks again. :-) i enjoyed reading them.

I looked up the chapter and scripture at matt 25:46 and the greek words literally translate "lopping off everlasting, or pruning everlasting" if you notice eziekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die." so when referring to the immortal soul. what do you think this verse is saying? is it saying man has an immortal soul? or is it saying the soul dies?
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read luke 16 to find about hell
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i believe you are referring to the rich man and lazarus? that was actually a parable. Jesus often spoke in parables around the religious leaders, both to confuse the religious leaders and to teach the common people. the rich man clothed in purple, represented the religious leaders who enjoyed their prominent position. Jesus was teaching that a change was coming. where the religious leaders would no longer have their prominent position over the common ppl. most the religious leaders would not change they would not listen to moses and the prophets. thank you for posting about luke 16, I enjoyed reading it again, and doing the research. :-)
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man i had a whole paragraph typed and then safari crashed -_- . yeah i was referring to the story of the rich man and lazarus. i was recently saved so i dont know much about the bible stories and where to find stuff except a little bit of what i can find online. and about the soul yes the soul is and everlasting thing that either ends up in heaven or hell. when he said the soul shall die i believe he saying it goes to hell. like being "spiritually dead" or "dead in you sin" its just a way the words are used but not in literal meaning? like the soul of the sinner dies in hell forever, but it doesnt end like our physical bodies do
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https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/tbhell.html its kind of a dry read, but some good info.

(the old KJV says hell) Job 14:13 Oh that you would hide me in Sheol, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!
if sheol or hell (KJV) was a place of fire and torment why would job pray to go there?

no where in the bible does it say that man has an immortal soul. the only places I've ever found a book that says "the soul is immortal" or "the soul never dies" are in the pearl of great price (a mormon book) at moses 1:39. and in the koran. I don't remember the scripture in the koran off the top of my head.
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I absolutely love it that you called the christian god an asshole,because there's another great person who did that: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Fo8E2LeKs
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:)
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ok, darthfunk is totally wrong. nowhere in the bible does it say that man is predestined. if we were predestined then why did adam and eve sin? they wouldn't have if god made up their minds ahead of time but, no, he gave them free will. just like you have free will to choose to believe whatever you like.
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I'm sure Calvinists can point to a bunch of scriptures to back up their belief in predestination.
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Hey man, just wanted to say thank you. all this talk about the bible makes me want to read it. so I did. now i'm happy and in a good mood. Thank you so much!! :-)
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I do what I can
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no upvote? LOL! and thanks now i have to google what a calvanist is. the more you know!! LOL!!
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actually it was 2 of each creature (a male and a female) and they lived on the boat for about a year. read the bible for answers
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Please explain how they got all those animals from all over the planet to the ark.

Please explain how they stored enough food for all those animals, keeping in mind the extremely specialized diets of many animals.

Please explain how they kept animals with very specific habitats (deserts, marshlands, forests, tundras, rainforests, etc) alive for an entire year on a boat.
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maybe just read 6-9 and itll tell you more than im able to explain on here. and its not like id know anything about it on my own since i wasnt there so id just be telling you about something i read in a book you dont believe and then youd also just have to go double check everything i say since its so important to you
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I have read the entire book of Genesis. It's absolutely laughable. It's completely, insanely wrong. It's mythology. It's folklore. It's fiction. It is not historically accurate. It is not scientifically accurate. It is not even logically sound. You may as well try to convince me that Star Wars is real.

I just find it odd that you believe what the Bible says, yet you can't back it up with evidence.
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