Who Would Win?

What if somebody told you about how bacon is actually produced and how pigs are actually factory farmed in horrible conditions? What if you had to kill the pig yourself? Just a thought.

Butchered it myself and packed it in my freezer

Animals don't have to die in order to feed people because we can (even whole families) can eat healthy, plant-based foods that don't involve slaughtering someone who didn't want to die and that taste great.

If you want to be a vegan, good for you! In my experience, of all the vegans I have met or know, only one of them hasn't tried to proselytize me into their faith and she's vegan because of allergy related dietary restrictions. It's like listening to communists spout the Marxist dialectic hearing vegans attempt to shame everyone that doesn't march in lock step with them as cold, cruel and generally evil. How do you feel about protecting the lives of human babies? Are they as important to you as livestock?

Thank-you. Human babies are as important to me as the lives of any other sentient being and I would protect any human who was going to be unjustly killed whatever age. When you say that we're trying to proselytize you into a faith, it's not like that at all. Vegans are people who want to show compassion to other sentient beings and increase that presence of compassion for all other sentient beings by highlighting the truths about the effects of the meat, dairy (meat and dairy are the same industry), egg, fish, and honey industries. Vegans don't try to shame people. If the people we do talk to at events feel shame after seeing footage etc then that's their conscience talking, not us forcing them or shaming them. Interaction is increasingly positive. We acknowledge that everyone has choices but we simply think that there is a more compassionate and less resource-costly way of living, for the animals, the environment and for health. We highlight this in a calm, peaceful and sometimes even jokey way. We set up stalls with plant milks and plant meats etc, as well as info.
Vegans have nothing to gain personally by making anyone else vegan but the meat industry has approximately $186 billion to gain per year by persuading people to buy their products, which are the results of suffering, harm the planet greatly and are bad for us. Would you protect a human baby? If you would, your moral conscience would be at play when you see an innocent who doesn't want or deserve to die about to be killed and the same goes for animal products. These are just produced where most people can't see the atrocities of it but if animals weren't killed on farms and in slaughterhouses, everyone would be vegan overnight from having made the connection between the death of an animal and the food that they were going to eat. Whatever the reason is why someone's vegan, the effect is ultimately the same: showing compassion to others and the planet.

Whoa, really popped the top off of that! Here's where we disagree fundamentally: the sentience of animals. Animals are not coequals with humans, it doesn't mean that we don't have a duty to treat them humanely (which we most certainly do) but they are fundamentally a resource, whereas humans are not. Veganism is a dogmatic faith, because you must first believe that animals are sentient and coequal with humanity. We have two fundamentally different belief systems, yours stems from an eastern polytheistic religion that venerates animals, mine does not. I hunt, raise my or purchase the meat and dairy products we eat from people I know. I love my animals, they are my animals and my responsibility, and I own them for a clear purpose. Saying that you don't try to shame people and proselytize them doesn't change the fact that this is precisely what is going on. Truly, I wish you all well, even if we thoroughly disagree.

Thank-you. I'm just wondering, what does "popped the top off of" mean? I'm English and maybe we don't have that phrase here.
I am not asking you to believe that animals are co-equal to humans but to consider whether they deserve a happy life free of deliberately inflicted pain. If they weren't recognized as sentient, definitions such as "free-range", "grass-fed" and "higher welfare" wouldn't exist, when you think about it. Neither humans nor animals are resources. If you say that you think that animals should be treated more humanely, I think that you probably realize that they are, in fact, sentient. This also means that animals are no more our property than we are theirs. No sentient being belonged to anyone else either financially or morally. Do we belong to other people or to animals?
You also say "I love animals" but are killing them and taking their babies away loving acts? Do you think you can love something or someone and deliberately abuse them? Wherever these animal products come from, the animals ultimately died to make them. Let's put this into a different context: If I was to have deliberately tortured and killed somebody who'd had a better life and had been possibly better treated than somebody else, would that justify me having killed them? Would that be justified by the fact that they'd had a slightly nicer life?
Veganism is not a religion, as we don't worship "vegan gods". Some people may choose veganism based on religious teachings ("thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not steal" etc) from Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism, Islam etc but veganism in itself is not a religion. Although I identify as being a member of one of the world's main religions, I myself am not a religious person.
Thirdly, if you believe that animals are no coequal to humans, please consider this: 79% of the earth's agricultural land is given to growing plants yet 70% of these plants are fed to over-fed farmed animals. This takes about 16lbs of grain and soy per day per animal. If we continue to reduce the demand for these animal products then that left-over grain could go to starving people around the world.
Lastly, If you would like any proof that vegan activists don't try to shame people, please consider watching these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe0k5uAw8ew&t=56s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDx0DW8GN_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwnWyKcJDzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCF_8sY54o
Thanks.
I wish you well too.

Animals as well as plants die even without human interference. Yes, the meat and dairy industries have their share of shady shit happening in them. That doesn't mean that the everyone working in the meat industry has to be locked up because "muh animals are equal to humans!" The fact is non-sapient animals are NOT equal to humans! Equality is not the standard of nature; it is the exception.
>Inb4 bullshit claims that all meat is carcinogenic.
Yeah, keep eating Jain diarrhea Soygal.

Firstly, although I appreciate that you're probably not an insulting person in general, I must say that bringing up a particular religion with the intent to put somebody down is offensive. I am not a Jain and I do not eat that much soy but I still find bringing up Jainism in a put-down statement to be offensive to that religion. Please consider this.
I am aware that animals and plants die of natural causes without human interference. However, eating plants is, to me, preferable to paying someone else to abuse animals and kill them at an unnatural age. Dairy cows, for example, have all of the babies taken from them and are killed at about 6-7 years old, when they can naturally live for 20-25 years. If you believe and acknowledge that this type of practice is, in fact, "shady", why support it? Just a thought.
I don't, however, think that people who've worked or who do work in the meat and dairy industry should be locked up because this would be cruel. Humans are sentient too, after all.
I'm not asking anyone to necessarily see non-sapient animals as equal to humans but merely to consider whether or not they deserve to live naturally and happily.
Further to this point, would you say that sentience and deserving of a good quality of life depend on whether an animal is sapient or non-sapient?
Please also consider watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
Thanks.

Do you think I don't know what happens? Yeah, I'm supposedly a murderer, but i'm no idiot.

Can i just say something here? I know i'm a meat eater and my comment is mostly going to be shunned by almost all of you, but I am aware of the way animals are killed for food. And i'm not suggesting that you should stop being vegan, far from it, but not everyone needs to convert to veganism or whatever the hell you call it. Did our ancestors only rely off of plants? No. We, as humans, were supposed to eat the other animals. It's the natural order. Call me heartless, or whatever the f**k you wanna say about me, but the food I eat is my choice. If I want a burger, i'm gonna have a f**king burger. The animals don't care anyway. They don't know anything about it. While yes, animals can think and feel things, the hard truth is that they haven't reached the level of sentience we have as humans. Being vegan is like food itself. It's nice to tell others about it, let them try it, but it's not okay when you're forcing it down their throat against their own will.
If i'm going to hell for not being vegan, you know what, f**k it, i'm not going to regret anything

Pardon my french, but I hope you get my point there