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Since you bring up the topic, "original sin" is why I believe LGBT people when they say, "I was born this way."

The inherited sin nature from the fall into sin affects every aspect of the human being: spirit, soul, and body. Original sin is why people are born with any birth defect, dysfunction, or disease.

The reason why I was born with kidney disease is the reason it is possible for babies to be born with dysphoria or innate unnatural sexual desires.

But for a consistent Christian who is a conservative the choice would be "your child is born with original sin" or "don't have children." Abortion would not be an option.
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"Since you bring up the topic, "original sin" is why I believe LGBT people when they say, 'I was born this way.' "

Basically, you think they can control it?

"The inherited sin nature from the fall into sin affects every aspect of the human being: spirit, soul, and body. Original sin is why people are born with any birth defect, dysfunction, or disease. "

Or it could be alcohol during pregnancy.. just suggesting...

"The reason why I was born with kidney disease is the reason it is possible for babies to be born with dysphoria or innate unnatural sexual desires. "

"Unnatural sexual desires", but they are naturally obtained.

"But for a consistent Christian who is a conservative the choice would be 'your child is born with original sin' or 'don't have children.' Abortion would not be an option."

Fair enough. There is abstinence. I just rarely see believers in Original Sin not having children.
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*Insert Cathy Newman-Jordan Peterson meme: So what you're saying is...

"...you think they can control it?"
I never said nor do I think that people can control the effects of the sin nature they are born with. In my worldview people are slaves to sin until they are set free from it by Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 "and such were some of you..."

"Or it could be from alcohol during pregnancy..."
Absolutely it could be but from the biblical position there was no sickness and disease in mankind before the fall into sin. That is when man died spiritually and began to die physically. Original sin makes us susceptible to disease and dysfunction whether it is hereditary, genetic, or caused by injury to the preborn.

"but they are naturally obtained."
If by "naturally obtained" you mean the end result of procreation, yes. They are unnatural in that they do not result in the primary reason for sexual desires, that being procreation and survival of the species. Even from an evolutionary point of view sexual species don't have sexual desires primarily to pleasure themselves rather to procreate.

"...not having children."
I don't know any consistent Christians who are concerned with children having original sin. There are believers who deny original sin as described in Scripture. They say people are not born with original sin and only have a sin nature when they choose to sin. That is inconsistent with what Scripture teaches. Maybe one of the reason they deny original sin is they can't stand the idea of their children being born with a sin nature. I'm not sure.
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"In my worldview people are slaves to sin until they are set free from it by Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11"

So, gay people are "enslaved" to being gay until Jesus sets them free? Many LGBT individuals follow Christ. What keeps them gay?

"Original sin makes us susceptible to disease and dysfunction whether it is hereditary, genetic, or caused by injury to the preborn."

Ya sure it isn't bacteria or our bodies reacting in a certain way? Because of the idea that there's someone behind the scenes, we have to treat gays like second class citizens?

"They are unnatural in that they do not result in the primary reason for sexual desires, that being procreation and survival of the species."

Basically, the reason it is Biblical to hate gays is because the human population is required to exceed 10 billion? Where in the Bible does it say that we neeed to keep sex for having babies?
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"Many LGBT individuals follow Christ"
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 John 3:9 Says that Christians or those "born of God" can not live in continuous practice of sin. What keeps a person living in sin who claims to be a Christian: the fact that they are not Christians. I do know of former practicing homosexuals who were born again but are still tempted by those sins. Being tempted is not the same as committing the sin. Just like me being tempted to fornicate with women is not the same as actually fornicating.

"Because of the idea that there's someone behind the scenes, we have to treat gays like second class citizens?" AND "...the reason it is Biblical to hate gays is because the human population is required to exceed 10 billion?"
I have no idea where you got those ideas from. I have never said gays should be treated like second class citizens nor that anyone including gays should be hated. Hatred is a sin and is specifically named in one of the lists of sinful lifestyle practices that will keep someone from "inheriting the kingdom of God" meaning whoever lives that way is not born again Galatians 6:20-21.

"Where in the Bible does it say that we need to keep sex for having babies?"
That is nowhere to be found in Scripture. But from an evolutionary starting point the primary or natural reason for sexual desires is procreation not pleasure or "self fulfillment." In the biblical worldview people are meant to enjoy the gift of sex within the proper parameters. They can have as many children as they like and experience the blessings of having children or not if they so choose.
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"1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 John 3:9 Says that Christians or those "born of God" can not live in continuous practice of sin."

Define "continuous practice of sin". Myrian said that some LGBT people are Christians. LG and B describe sexual attraction, not sexual behavior. It is possible for an LGB person to not have sex. If they are celibate, where does the "continuous practice of sin" come into play?

"What keeps a person living in sin who claims to be a Christian: the fact that they are not Christians."

So you know their religious condition better than they do? You are qualified to define who is a Christian and who isn't? So if a Christian doesn't feel that you act like Jesus or "bear fruit", they can say you aren't a Christian, right? If you're allowed to judge who is and isn't a Christian, that means other people can do that to you as well.

"I do know of former practicing homosexuals who were born again but are still tempted by those sins."

"Former". Haha :) Sure.

"Just like me being tempted to fornicate with women is not the same as actually fornicating."

Unless you think about doing it, then it actually is the same as doing it, as far as Jesus is concerned (Matt 5:28). Thought Police, much?

"I have never said gays should be treated like second class citizens nor that anyone including gays should be hated."

Then you disagree with God, because he clearly commands execution for homosexual activity. Oops, my mistake. That's the Old Testament. I guess we can ignore that. So gays should be put to death, but God doesn't hate them? Interesting.

"Hatred is a sin and is specifically named in one of the lists of sinful lifestyle practices that will keep someone from "inheriting the kingdom of God" meaning whoever lives that way is not born again Galatians 6:20-21."

Jesus expressed pretty hateful views towards the Pharisees. I guess his hatred is okay, though, because...Jesus.

"But from an evolutionary starting point the primary or natural reason for sexual desires is procreation not pleasure or "self fulfillment." "

Primary reason, not necessarily the only reason. The primary reason for eating is to obtain nourishment and energy, yet it's perfectly possible to eat something (like a candy bar or dessert) for pleasure or self-fulfillment.

"They can have as many children as they like...or not if they so choose."

God commanded Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply". That doesn't sound like a choice, but rather a command.
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Why should I respond to your questions and arguments if you can't make a consistent argument? I'll point out the inconsistency in your argument:

"LG and B describe sexual attraction, not sexual behavior. It is possible for an LGB person to not have sex. If they are celibate, where does the "continuous practice of sin" come into play?"

You just admitted that the one no longer committing the act is not practicing the sin. Then you mock my statement that makes the same point:

""I do know of former practicing homosexuals who were born again but are still tempted by those sins."
"Former". Haha :) Sure."

So you are inconsistent and contradicting yourself if you think "celibate" (your word) homosexuals are not "former practicing homosexuals" (my term.) Formulate a consistent argument then we can talk.
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You're right, I goofed. I didn't properly read what you wrote. You said "former practicing homosexuals". I misread that as "former homosexuals", as in "ex-gay" people, not gay people who remain celibate.

Sorry about that.
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"In my worldview people are slaves to sin until they are set free from it by Jesus Christ."

Then they become slaves of Jesus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Ephesians+6:6,Colossians+3:24,1+Peter+2:16&version=NASB&interface=amp

Call me weird, but I'd rather not be a slave at all. You have been convinced by your religion that it is the highest honor to revel in your servitude. You gladly exchange one set of chains for another, yet call yourself free (John 8:36). No one is more tightly bound than he who has been convinced that slavery is for his own good.

"Absolutely it could be but from the biblical position there was no sickness and disease in mankind before the fall into sin."

So bacteria and viruses just floated around doing nothing?

"Original sin makes us susceptible to disease and dysfunction..."

No, having a physical human body on this planet makes us susceptible to disease and dysfunction. Also, if people are born with diseases, that means God gave them those diseases, since the Bible says he knit everyone together in the womb (Psalm 139:13)

"They are unnatural in that they do not result in the primary reason for sexual desires, that being procreation and survival of the species."

Unnatural isn't synonymous with bad, of course. And again, something that occurs naturally is not unnatural, even if you consider it less than optimal from a procreative standpoint.

"Even from an evolutionary point of view sexual species don't have sexual desires primarily to pleasure themselves rather to procreate."

1. The keyword being "primarily". If people engage in nonreproductive sexual activity, that doesn't mean they can't also engage in reproductive sexual activity as well.

2. With the hunan population what it is, I don't think same sex sexual activity, even on a large scale, will bring the human race to a crashing halt any millennium soon.
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"Call me weird, but I'd rather not be a slave at all."
"No one is more tightly bound than he who has been convinced that slavery is for his own good."
No one is more tightly bound than the one who doesn't even recognize the chains that bind them. "Whoever commits sin is the slave of sin." ~Jesus Christ, John 8:34
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"Slave to sin" implies that people are unable to stop sinning. Yet people stop doing bad things all the time. People break addictions all the time through their own power and effort. Jesus is not necessary to stop doing bad things, nor is he necessary for happiness and joy.
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