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I don't agree with your statement but hotdam that's funny!

Could go either way, eh?

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This thread was the first time I've ever delved into the abortion issue. After the little bit of research I've done, I'm going to have to say I agree. Abortion is f**ked up. The only way I can wrap my head around the fact that people can be pro abortion is that they're just ignorant to what's actually happening. If people knew and were still pro abortion... holy shit.

Unfortunately, it is just that bad. Most know what it is or are aware that it's a lot worse than they want to know. But, what they want more is either the fantasy of it not being an issue they can or need to deal with or to straight up trade baby lives for whatever menial and selfish crap they think it gains them. The abortion industry is the new modern Molech, people fecklessly sacrificing children for life's fertility.

I used to think blowing up abortions clinics was terrorism, now I couldn't care less. Let um. There are people in the industry that don't even want to give anesthetics to the child as it's being aborted. They literally want to torture and kill unborn children for money. What in the f**k?

I do have to say that, while people who commit the physical act of murder deserve death, they still deserve a fair trial judging their actions. Nonetheless, the world is full of people with busted wanters and, no legislation will ever correct that. What we need are people who are courageous enough to stand up and speak and live and uphold the truth in front of the masses. That is supposed to be the church. Sadly, many, perhaps even most in the church have strayed to all manner of fake name it and claim it false version of Jesus theologies.

And who’s paying for this?

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Rightards/Leftards - same bullshit.

Humans.

The problem with your take on capital punishment, is that death row is killing adults who committed violent crimes like r@pe and murder and child molestation. Unborn babies are not criminals.

Who said that was my take or anyone else's on capital punishment?

Who said unborn babies are criminals?

Did you look at my meme, plus what I said on the side?
Did you look to make sure you replied to the right comment? Because what you said has noting to do with what I said.

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Embryos are not babies.

I'm gana reply here to clean up the replies.

I know that was a metaphor. I thought I did an alright job of addressing it and comparing it to abortions.

Although most abortions are done to correct mistakes, you brought up a good point with rape victims.

I'd still say the 5 week cut off should apply. If a woman is raped she should go to the police and a hospital. At the hospital she should have them check her for pregnancy. If it's too early, wait two weeks and check again. That's plenty of time to make up her mind about what to do with a pregnancy and still before brain formation and the cell cluster becomes a child.

In the scenario you described the woman made a lot of mistakes. Why wouldn't she check if she was pregnant after she was raped? It took 5 months before she figures it out? You've described a stupid person. She can put the child up for adoption.

It doesn't matter if she was unconscious at the time. Rape is tragic, more so by the affects on a woman's body, but a life is a life. Put it up for adoption. Please buy a gun if you don't already have one and learn how to use it properly so something like that never happens to you.

I'm assuming you're a woman. I agree, being sexually responsible as a woman is much harder than for men. A burden, perhaps. My lifted finger is encouraging you to check for pregnancy every two weeks and tell your sexually active friends to do the same. If it becomes a habit then it won't feel like a burden. If every woman bought a pair of tests with their monthly box of tampons or pads then no unborn child would needlessly be killed. Education and prevention.

https://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/issues/10-reasons-you-might-not-know-you-are-pregnant.htm

Okay, you have a good point, but I doubt that's true for the majority of women.

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Stupid people do exist, tho. Someone was actually so stupid that she thought she was pregnant, but she was just fat. Adoption MIGHT solve the 'I have an unwanted child' problem, but it does not solve the overpopulation problem. And what about the child? What if it wasn't adopted? It then ends up stuck in the foster care system, being bounced around with no real family, no sense of home and little social skills. How miserable. Is a loveless, lonely, sad life really better than no life?

I thought you JUST SAID that killing an embryo is homocide, but you see no problem with using some illegal shite to kill a man? Bit of a hypocrite, aren't you?

And now you're saying that it's the woman's responsibility to not get raped? How about the men? Why don't you tell the guys to not stick their dicks where they're not wanted, and if they want to stick it anywhere, they should stick it up their own arse?

There is no over population problem. That's a lie.

There are around 7.6 billion people on this planet.
Do you not consider that a lot?

It is a lot. Not over population, though. Far from it.

But at the rate we're going, it will be in the future, possibly soon, because of people living longer.

The Earth won't be around much longer.

Hopefully till after I die lol

Why? What are you going to do to it!?!

Not what I'll be doing to it.

7.6 billion is NOT over population.

One problem at a time! Ha!

Abortion should definitely not be used as a way to control overpopulation. That's Sci-fi horror freaky.

Is a loveless, lonely life better than no life? Yes. Being alive is better than being dead. The situation you described is rarely the case with infant adoption. Babies are in high demand. It's kids that get screwed over in that part of our society.

I did say abortion was homocide but then I realized it is in fact murder. I guess you're not American, guns are legal here and if a man tried to rape you I'd tell you to blow his brains out (I mean shoot him in the head! Bad humor sorry). I don't believe it's hypocritical. You have every right in the world to save yourself from an attacker, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Killing a defenseless unborn child because it's inconvenient is very different.

You realize you can't tell a rapist not to rape people, right? Since guns are illegal where you're from I suggest you learn jiu jitsu and then you can shove anybody who's giving you trouble's dick up thier arse yourself! Being able to protect yourself is more empowering and powerful than any other form of women's rights.

I'm not saying that abortion should be used to control the population Sci-Fi style, I'm saying that using abortion on unwanted pregnancies should help with controlling the surplus population.

'being alive (but loveless and lonely) is better than being dead'. Yeah, tell that to the people who killed themselves.

'I did say abortion was homocide but then I realized it was in fact murder's homocide IS murder! They're synonyms! Look it up! Man, you better get that outta here!

My God, can you get any dumber? Ok, imagine two women getting raped, one with a gun, one without.

Woman 1: I'm going to kill you!

Rapist: But I have friends! Family! A future!

Woman 1: I don't care. You raped me.

Rapist: But I'm in university! I'm studying and stuff! I'm very smart! I have plans! Companies are fighting to employ me!

Woman 1: I don't care. You raped me.

Woman 2: hey, kid. I'm a poor woman. I don't have a proper home. I'm not married. I work full time for pennies. I may not be able to afford to feed you. I'll abort you. It's for the greater good. It's not like anyone loves you yet, anyway.

Embryo: (says nothing because it does not have consciousness.)

So woman 1 was good, and woman 2 was bad? Dafuq?

Yes, you can tell a rapist not to rape. It's called prison, education, rehabilitation. Don't give me that.

So you're saying that to not get raped, use a gun, and if you live in the UK, or literally anywhere else except the US, then that's just tough, go f**k yourselves? That's a bit mean, is it not?

There are 400,000 orphans in the US. Every year this number is reduced by fostered children and replenished by new orphans and is slowly growing. There are about 45,000 suicides every year in the US. Even if every suicide was committed by a person who lived their childhood as an orphan, that would still mean over 85% of orphans choose to live rather than die. Assuming that orphans would have rather been aborted than live is absolutely ridiculous.

Homocide and Murder are similar in that they deal with a dead person, but they are not the same and they are not synonymous. A homocide is any human death. A person can be responsible for a homocide without committing murder. Example, a person driving at 4am falls asleep at the wheel and strikes a pedestrian who then dies. That's a homocide.

A murder happens when one person intentionally harms another person resulting in their death. If a person stabs another person in a bar fight and they die two days later then the stabber has committed murder.

Intentionally ending the life of an unborn child is murder by definition. It has to do with the killers intent.

The scenario you described is a revenge killing and a murder, not self defense. The point of having a gun for self defense is so that she wouldn't have been raped because as soon as she was assaulted she could have shot him and saved herself. Shooting him doesn't necessarily mean killing him, but it would stop him. You have way too much sympathy for violent criminals. You've obviously lived a very comfortable and safe life. I'm not saying the rapist deserves to die, but if he does because his victim defended herself then so be it.

You are falsely assuming unborn children have no consciousness. They often "fight back" during the abortion, motivated by the fear of death. Once the brain is formed they feel emotions, the same as you and me. That's why I think abortions should only be legal until the 5th week.

"So you're saying that to not...go f**k yourselves?" No that's not what I'm saying at all. I said if you can't get a gun learn a practical martial art like jiu jitsu because it's extremely important that you can defend yourself. Have the best defense you possibly can. Here in the US guns are the best way to defend ourselves so that's why I suggested that you get a gun.

You're assuming that all those orphans were unplanned pregnancies, and were sent away for adoption. What if the orphan's parents died? What if the orphan's parents were unfit? There are many ways for a child to become an orphan, and they don't involve unplanned pregnancies.

Think about the word 'homocide'. The prefix 'homo-' can either refer to homo sapiens, humans, or the Greek word meaning 'same'. The suffix '-cide' means 'to kill'. So 'homocide' literally means 'to kill humans'. To kill humans is murder. Therefore, homocide=murder. Anything else is an accidental death.

'it has to do with the "killers" intent'. The intent is, the woman is unable to provide for the future child, and it would be kinder to abort it rather than let it eventually die anyway, or be taken away.

And for your information, no, I have not lived a safe and comfortable life. I am hated by everyone, I have no friends and I'm addicted to the internet because I'm afraid of the real world.

And please, show me a video of a go***mn embryo fighting back against an abortion. Please. Send me the link. I would love to see it.

I'm not discussing the definitions of homicide and murder with you. There's nothing to discuss. I've told you the difference, You look it up. The point I was making is that abortion is, By Definition, Murder.

I was trying to give you the best possible numbers to help your case so you could see how ridiculous you're being. There are 7 billion people on earth. People die and every year the number is replenished and growing. Of that 7billion only 1.5million commit suicide every year. That means that 99.8 percent of living people choose life over death. Assuming that the child would have preferred to die because mommy doesn't love them or can't take care of them is totally and completely ludicrous. We're all going to die one day, that doesn't mean we should quit before we even get started.

Having a terrible social life is not the same as having an unsafe life. How many times have you been raped, molested, assaulted, gone hungry, had to break the law to survive? If people don't like you it might have to do with your outlook.

You want to see it? Then watch the whole thing. Watch the whole 30 minute video. Don't fast forward. Don't skip ahead. Grab some popcorn and a soda. Maybe you'll want to re-phrase your enthusiasm about viewing a child murder. if my tone has been harsher this post, it's because I just finished watching the video and it's got me upset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs9CRO5K4Uk

I don't know if your making a statement that sometimes science can be evil or if you're admitting you trolled me.

If you trolled me then thanks. I've always thought abortion was wrong but I never took the time to learn about the issue and if it wasn't for playing with you I wouldn't have known the real details and truth behind it.

I guess not all trolls are bad.

Yeah, I was trolling, but when I troll, I don't mean to offend, I mean to trick and prank, if you get what I mean. I don't like offending people. And you're welcome! I could say the same the same thing. I've learned a lot of things from this little debate of ours! *Shakes your hand*

Also I'd like to add that I agree, if the woman can catch her pregnancy early she should be allowed to have an abortion. 5 weeks maximum. There's not much difference between sperm, eggs, and that jumble of cells before the organs start to form. After that it's murder.

Fetuses dream.

Abort an embryo? If you must. Abort a little human bean shaped thing? Yeh that's killing someone.

Those are fetuses, not embryos. If you want to have an abortion, you can only have it up to 24 weeks. An embryo turns into a fetus at 25 weeks. So even if you think fetuses are babies, abortions still don't 'kill babies' because they don't even 'kill' fetuses.

At first I thought you said 24 days and I was wondering what all the fuss about abortions is for. Then I reread weeks not days.

Na, no way. 7 months in it's a baby. If it's got a brain, no matter how small and underdeveloped, it's a baby.

But it's illegal to abort after 7 months. You argument is invalid.

At 6 weeks the fetus has a brain. At 3 months it's a tiny baby, no way anyone can argue that. Women need to figure that shit out in 5 weeks or less.

At 6 weeks, the fruits is not a fetus. You need to figure THAT shit out of you want to have a proper, civilized, intelligent debate about this.

I'm not talking about women's bodies, I'm talking about the child inside their body. A big difference.

Inside THEIR BODY. It's still THEIR BODY.

No, the mother does not have the moral right to end the life of the child just because she decides she doesn't want that child. That child is also half the fathers, yet he legally has no say. Morally and ethically that is wrong.

Ok then, imagine this: my sister needs a blood transplant, but I'm the only one who can give her my blood. Even though it would kill her to do so, I can choose not to give my blood, and it would be illegal to force me to give the blood. Same with the abortion. The baby is not the woman's body, but the womb and va**na is. She can choose to give birth/not give birth. It would be illegal to force the woman into doing to her body what she does not want to be done.

Respect da law, boi

Just because something is legal doesn't make it morally okay to do so. I can view p0rnography, but morally it is wrong.

Giving blood to save a life isn't the same (or even close to being the same) as destroying an innocent life. If someone doesn't want children, maybe quit being irresponsible by having promiscuous sex.

Abortion is disgusting and is morally wrong. And I have every right to argue against it. I won't play into identity politics and shut my mouth just because I'm a white, heterosexual male.

What if a woman got raped? Rape is never the victim's fault. And the law clearly states that abortion is legal UP TO 24 WEEKS. Because you know what happens after 24 weeks? The embryo becomes a fetus. That's right. The law protects unborn babies. Embryos are not even close to unborn babies. And I never said that you should shut your mouth because you're a straight white male. I'm saying that if something has nothing to do with you, and does not affect you, then leave it alone. A man saying that women can't have abortions is like an accountant telling a lumberjack not to use electrical tools to cut down trees. The accountant knows nothing about trees, tools or lumberjacks, so he shouldn't tell them what to do.

Nowhere near the same thing, but whatever. And life begins at conception. The idea that you have the right to abort that life, no matter when you do it, is sad.

And as I have stated before in other memes, r@pe is another issue altogether. Although, abortions performed due to r@pe make up less than 2%. It isn't even an issue.

Life might start at conception, but consciousness doesn't. The embryo will have no clue what's going on. It hasn't developed enough to feel pain or a sense of self or anything. All it is is just cells. And like I said, it's illegal to abort after 24 weeks, so don't even mention fetuses.

But did you know they use the aborted childs organs for transplants, or they sell them for other uses, thus making a profit off of death? And in some places yoi can abort up to the 3rd trimester, wich is 7months. Where it is only two months away from being born.

Also this is just another way of child sacrifice, instead of the sacrifice to a god, it a sacfrice for our own comfort, so we have no added responsibilities. Thus we ourselves act as gods by deciding between if death or life should occur, and making a sacrifice for our own selfish well being. But I am talking to a fool so if you understood anything I said and stopped thinking with a biased mind that others gave you, and think for yourself, then maybe there is still hope for the generation and the next, that is if they're not all aborted first.

At 6 weeks whatever you want to call it has a brain. At 3 months whatever you want to call it has taken its final shape and begins to grow until it's full sized and ready to come out.

Women need to make up their minds about aborting the thing living inside of them before the 5 week mark just to be safe. Aborting a human life once it has developed a brain is homocide.

Ok, the embryo has a brain, but it doesn't mean it has consciousness. A dead guy has a brain. Does that mean he has consciousness? No. He does not. And who are you to tell women what to do? Are you a woman? If not, then you don't have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

Ah, identity politics. The only thing the left has as an argument these days. F**k your identity politics. I have every right to debate something I believe to be morally wrong.

You can f**k my identity politics. You can f**k them all you want, because I'm not talking about identity politics. I'm just saying that men have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. It's like an accountant telling a lumberjack what tools to use and not use to cut down a tree. The accountant knows nothing about trees or lumberjacks, so him telling him "oh no, you can't use the chainsaw, you can't use the axe" just does not make sense.

So the best justification you could come up with was letting your sister die because nobody can force you to save her? You don't see a problem there?

The woman let a guy into her va**na. The risk was taken and accepted then. The outcome is now her responsibility because she is directly responsible for the child's life, unlike your sisters life which is neither technically nor legally your responsibility.

The difference is in the choice. By doing nothing the child lives and your sister dies. By taking action the child dies and your sister lives. The action of taking a life is murder. Allowing a life to end is homocide.

If a woman is sexually active she needs to be testing herself every two weeks for pregnancy and already know what she's going to do if the pee stick comes up positive. This alone could stop most of the murders of unborn children in the US. I agree that a jumble of cells isn't a child and I think women should only be allowed to abort up until the 5 week mark.

If a woman wants to be empowered she needs to be responsible for the actions she takes. Killing someone to fix a mistake is not empowering, it's foul.

You really don't understand what I'm trying to say, don't you? The sister metaphor was exactly that: a metaphor. It was a point I was trying to make. Re-read what I said and maybe think about the message here.

So you said 'the woman let the guy into her va**na'? Well what if she didn't? What if she was raped? That happens, you know! And when you're 5 months pregnant, the bump doesn't even show. What if the woman didn't even know she was pregnant? Maybe because she thought she was on her period, or her menstral cycle didn't start yet, she thought she wasn't pregnant? And now, about 6 months later, she knows she's pregnant, but can't get an abortion, because an embryo is supposedly 'life' now? "You put heavy burdens on the backs of others, but you yourself don't lift a finger to help them" - Jesus.

The difference between an embryo and a corpse is... life. That's kind of what the whole thing is about.

Women can do whatever they want with their bodies, but the person inside of them isn't their body. It's their child, even if they don't want it.

That's why I'm saying women should figure it out before there's any chance of consciousness. Let them have abortions, but only until the 5th week after conception. After that it becomes a decision that affects two lives, not just the woman's.

Ok then, imagine this: my sister needs a blood transplant, but I'm the only one who can give her my blood. Even though it would kill her to do so, I can choose not to give my blood, and it would be illegal to force me to give the blood. Same with the abortion. The baby is not the woman's body, but the womb and va**na is. She can choose to give birth/not give birth. It would be illegal to force the woman into doing to her body what she does not want to be done.

I cannot fathom how women don't understand that it isn't their body they are making a decision for. They are deciding for both their child and their partner but somehow they are convinced that because they have a va**na they have the right to decide who lives and who dies and to hell with the repercussions for those they are supposed to care about. I know that I personally wouldn't date a chick who was pro choice. If they can justify letting a stranger slaughter their child imagine what they would be willing to do to you. Most despicable immoral people i have ever met. And this coming from someone who isn't even religious.