Pro-Life Libertarians

Pro-Life Libertarians | WE NEED TO DECRIMINALIZE DRUGS. THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS DECIDING WHAT YOU DO WITHIN YOUR OWN BODY! ABORTION SHOULD BE BANNED. | image tagged in libertarian porcupine,pro-life,pro-choice,abortion,libertarian | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Logicians using logic | THE FIRST INSTANCE IS WHAT AN INDIVIDUAL DOES WITH THEIR OWN LIFE AND BODY. FALSE EQUIVALENCE THE SECOND INSTANCE INVOLVES TWO SEPARATE HUMA | image tagged in logicians using logic | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Oh, silly me! Clearly I have it all wrong. Let's use government coercion to force women to go through an extremely painful process called pregnancy. Then we will have successfully have saved a life... while ruining the woman's life.
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face palm statue | ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT A LIBERAL? APPEAL TO EMOTION IS RIGHT OUT OF THEIR PLAYBOOK | image tagged in face palm statue | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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You are an idiot. You and I will never understand what it's like to endure pregnancy, much less childbirth. That's not "emotion". That's physical pain.
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AD HOMINEM AND APPEAL TO PITY? YOU MAY BE A LEFTIST AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT! | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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So literally your only argument here is that I'm a leftist. Very typical and very pathetic.
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MAYBE YOU ARE BETTER AT ECONOMICS THAN LOGIC? | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
My original argument was your use of a false equivalence argument.Which you did not answer nor retort, you immediately attempted to appeal to my emotion by saying, "let's us government coercion to force..." I don't like unnecessary uses of force by anyone especially the state. So that is an appeal to emotion.
My next argument, which you did not answer, was your use of an appeal to emotion fallacy. Instead of rethinking your argument and approaching it in a different, more logical way, you started calling me names and trying to appeal to my pity for someone in pain and enduring discomfort.

I will admit that such fallacious reasoning is not ONLY found in the leftist hand-book, although they do use it most of the time. Such fallacious reasoning are typically employed on behalf of arguments that can not stand up to critical examination and scrutiny.
If I ever catch myself stooping to use a logical fallacy to support something I believe in, I really start to question the validity of that idea I am trying to support.
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Wow, you're such a genius. Let's review: for the third time now, you are again trying to denounce me as a leftist. Your use of identity politics, again, is typical of your kind and is extremely pathetic. It does not matter what political affiliation your opponent associates themself with. It's entirely irrelevant to the debate, and it only shows you are an utter child.

I am not appealing to emotion. I am arguing that we should not force women to endure childbirth or a longer pregnancy than they want. They are carrying the child, and they are responsible for what happens to it. Plus, I'd rather give in to the woman's emotion than some rightist on the Internet's emotions, crying about the "killing of babies!"

And going back to your first post which I allegedly disregarded: that is not false equivalence. You are responsible for what you do within your own body. Only you should make the decisions concerning what happens inside your body. It is none of my business what any woman or man decides to do within the means of their own body, because IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME.

Also, I'm done entertaining your claims that I am a leftist.
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First, I never called you a leftist. I don't stoop to the level of ad hominem attack like you do. I did suggest that you are behaving and arguing like one because of your bad logic and debate skills. When I am using bad logic and technique I like it when people point that out to me.

Second, your claim of me using "identity politics" and calling me "an utter child" is more ad hominem. I know that you are not suggesting that I am behaving or arguing that way because you can't tell the difference between me suggesting you argue like a leftist and actually calling you a leftist.

Lastly, and most important, I care more about the principles upon which my nation was founded than the emotions of any individual who was not responsible enough to keep herself from an unwanted pregnancy.

Before you appeal to emotion or pity with "what about **pe/incest/ectopic pregnancy, etc," not every situation is the same. I'm not against abortifacients, but once that individual human can feel pain their life is more important than the liberty or pursuit of happiness of any other individual who would murder them.

Like I said, I care more about principles. Some people don't care about principles because what other unprincipled individuals do against the life of those unable to protect themselves "DOESN'T AFFECT ME."
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You're right. You're not calling me a leftist. You're doing something even more childish— pestering me with "are you sure you're not a leftist?", "you may be a liberal!" Grow the hell up. As I already stated and you chose to ignore, it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Clearly nothing I'm telling you is being understood by you. You re-present the exact same argument every time regarding my "appealing to emotions", and possibility of me being a leftist.

There should be no exceptions to abortion, because that all comes down to opinion. Politicians say "I believe these are okay, but these aren't" or even "I am against abortion, even in cases of **pe or incest." This is wrong. You should not use force on individuals for not following your own personal set of morals. This is exactly what restricts freedom, when you forbid people from making choices in their own lives. Especially when the choice concerns something in their own body.

I cannot stand the ideology behind "they knew what they were getting into", or that the parents were irresponsible for not having protected sex. What are you going to do? Make it illegal to have unprotected sex unless the couple intends to produce a child? They do not need to have protected sex. Some people prefer sex without contraception, and that's fine. And even more: everybody LOVES sex. You will never, nor should you, successfully regulate how two consenting individuals have sex. Ever.
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I understand what you are saying. Do you understand how to hold a consistent argument? You keep saying, "You are responsible for what you do within your own body." But at the same time you can't stand holding people responsible for what they do or fail to do with their body externally (using or not using contraceptives)?

My principles tell me that when human life is present it is endowed with inalienable rights. No other individual can infringe upon those rights and part of the state's authority is protecting the (rights) lives of those unable to protect it themselves.

You don't think there should be any exceptions on abortion because it is "there own lives" and "their own body" but what about the life and body of the preborn human being? If you think there should be no exceptions then partial birth abortion is fine. Let the preborn human being develop to full term then deliver it partially and kill it, because of "individual liberty" and "bodily autonomy" I presume?

You really think that you hold to the principles of individual liberty when you only care for them when they benefit you personally or allow other people to be irresponsible.

That is not the position one gets to when the principles apply to every individual regardless of the individuals size, level of development, environment, or degree of dependency, The principles of liberty apply to every individual or they don't apply to any of us.
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