Ok, I'm starting fresh over here. Thank you for the pic that will come up every time

You mentioned a few people, Sterling that you described, Jennifer something and maybe someone else? If you'd give me that list I'll start reading. I need to come to my own conclusions about people, no insult intended

Don Imus - who arguably doesn't seem like a horrible racist - as much as an OLD white guy, from an era of Overt Racism, who is either totally insensitive - or just like to push peoples' buttons.

Jennifer Gray plays Ferris' sister in the movie about his day off. At the end - Charlie Sheen straightens her out....WINNING. I was only kidding of course, but the motivating sentiment seems similar. Is it just an UNFAIR world...or is TOTALLY fair, because of the natural aristocracy of men - which elevates Ferris, above all others?

Reading about Imus, but it's mostly his life story and not what he said - but he kind of sounds like a Howard Stern? Still reading...

Yeah but critchety and stupid. Stern attacks equally and has Robin to check his punk ass in a pinch. Not so for Imus.

Ok, I have my homework. I really hate hypocrisy, but at the same time when I find it it's like candy to me. I would appreciate it if you would share a couple of hypocritical things with me from your point of view. Fair?

Sorry, missed the question. I think if you're hoping for a fair world you're going to be sorely disappointed. But at the same time I think that people should held to the same standards, so what's fair?

That's ethics and philosophy. But FBDO.seems to take the position that fair is relative depending on who/where you are in real terms... Ferris is not the bad guy in that film - and yet he transgresses the rules that everybody HAS to follow - cause they're not smart enough to do otherwise without being punished. He is just BRILLIANT and gives some thought to things. But he is not PERFECT - his plan has ONE mistake. Still HE never feels the consequences. In the Divine plan - he does important things - and therefore gets a wider lattitude.

I hate hypocrites too. But more like Crooked "police chief's of the Charles Beck variety than the individual cop on the take - or trigger happy psychopath and rights violator. They would go to jail BUT FOR Beck's protection.

The rhyme above is Biggie - but the topp Dogg writer is Calvin Broadus.

I was noticing that, and based on our previous discussion the irony was not lost on me. Yes, I laughed - though I did note it was missing "the hard r"

If Calvin had been speakin to N-hard-r's instead of "n**gaz" - I would have transcribed it faithfully....but I probably wouldn't have ever heard it - because the song would have been different in meaning and sentiment. Snoopy/Biggie chasises his friends and fellows in the way a gay guy might use "f*gs" - talking smack with his pals. But watch the triggering if someone ELSE uses it from outside the group.

In re Bill M. (we'll preserve his anonymity) - had he called Rodney Harrison that word around the Kaep situation ....I'd be conflicted.

Yes - I like a GOOD BURN as much as the next guy (and that would be right on target as far as who Rodney is, on air and off. He's not Allen Iverson or Latrelle Sprewell.) and it's good smack. But because of "the racial" better to let Kaep say it (something he clearly chose not to do) or somebody - ANYBODY - black. Just 'cause.

When I called Rodney out on NATIONAL sportstalk radio, LIVE , myself- I chose to ELEVATE the Game - and say it in another way. (Jim Rome, about a year ago-ish). But Rodney was essentially shaming Colin for not being Black-enough ("really black") to protest this injustice (Ferguson-BLM etc). As IF that were a requirement for one to protest an injustice - that you have to be OF the injured group. BULLSHIT.

Were I good enough to have been playing in the NFL - I too would have joined him...as his white full back did, if I recall correctly. I pointed out that Barack Obama wasn't "really black" by that standard EITHER - but a review of his Twitter feed ...found otherwise.

Check the Boondocks episode called "tha N-word". It shows the dillema fairly well. I think where your heart is when you say a word is the important part. I found nothing untrue or insensitive about Bill M's comments about not being a 'field {worker}'. Trump's comments are foul even by blatant misogynist standards. Criminal really. That he has gotten away with that kind of behaviour more than once, without negative effects is the obscene part - and my Jennifer Gray moment,perhaps.

Lol... Agreed about the triggering, and agreed on the usage. It seems like there's racism even in the black community based upon skin color, which seems crazy. I don't judge others... Up until the others are judging me. I'm really a fair is fair guy... If you're going to say doing x is bad, then x needs to be bad for everyone - that is the really the Crux of it for me. I don't think that's unrealistic. I think saying a word is off limits is equally wrong, because it gives it power. I also think that free speech means being able to say whatever you want, even if it makes someone sad. I think that if we allow people to say the ridiculous crap they want in safety, then their ideas won't be given power and maybe they'd go away themselves. Who knows.

Just so we're clear, the point of this is to deal with the greatest hypocrisy of all... When we sit around and say "if only we'd talk to each other" when we never have an intention to. I'm going with the assumption that your ideas are very different than mine, maybe they aren't, maybe they are. But the point is I'm making an effort to understand, with an open mind.

I guess the only rule is if we get crazy we don't call each other stupid names.

Seems fair and reasonable.

See the movie Schooldayz by Spike Lee. Painful stuff from within the black community writ large for the world.

Try an ethnic studies course. It is super fun and interesting history to study. And your perspectives will evolve naturally through increased understanding. Any juco or Uni Extension will have a few classes. I never stop thanking my past teachers when I'm arguing on the flip or elsewhere about these things. And YES it is a f**king bludgeon against white men. Your cross to bear - AND mine. So perspective and facts help - particularly at times when I was being attacked (from my RIGHT) by DEMOCRATS within a left/progressive movement - as if I were somehow less of an anti-racist ally - simply because of my race or subject position. How many of them were publicly thanked by the right Honorable Dr. Betty Shabazz, or a laundry list of Panthers?

I'll look up the movie. Now, I didn't expect this to be a one way street, where you teach me. I was hoping that this could be a sharing of ideas. As for the classes, I'm currently busy enough with my Master's courses, but I'll keep it in mind.

I find the whole white privilege thing annoying. I'm descended from immigrants that came after slavery, so while I feel bad that it happened I had nothing to do with it and I feel no personal responsibility for slavery just because I'm white. I've been told that this white privilege means that I owe something - whatever. In working with the government not being a minority means hardship. It's amazing the help that minorites get that I have no access to. It upsets me that people aren't using these programs - it's like the govt is underhanded tossing the ball to them and they won't even swing.

I think the classes would help - cause I've heard good responses within them. Just try going in with a COMPLETELY open mind.

Race is a social construct. Not an anthropological one. Ethnicity is culture - but race and class intertwine.

The benefits of slavery and SUBSEQUENT WHITE SUPREMACY - devolve unto the modern day.

As do the deficits. No 40 acres and a mule - when it would have helped...means reparations (to the descendants of slaves - not Barry Obama) would still be appropriate.

Look at it THIS way. Your people came here to enjoy the relative wealth and benefits, created by stolen.labor. By contrast - my folks were Actively Fighting AGAINST slavery (as abolitionists and Underground Railroad workers) acting directly to subvert and end it. And yet I receive the same magickal reverse-racist injuries as you AND the descendants of plantation owners, and even current Klansmen.

I'll get over it.

You can't be neutral on a moving train. And since we all benefit, so we all must bear some portion of the costs. That's my perspective. People who judge you based on your race are racist. But they may be reacting to something else - perhaps an unconcious vibe you're laying down - I can only guess. If they get along with other whites closer to their wavelength or familiarity - it may not just be them reading the book by the cover.

In my own work - it eas usually just an easy way to marginalize ME specifically...'Too many white guys on the air, right now - we need spies-of-color to steer their (and our) communities with (too). No realistic power-rankings or head-to-head comparisons allowed with all of those white guys ALREADY on the air....(cause I win - so no...).

Please don't misunderstand, the purpose of this exercise (for me) wasn't to better understand black vs. white, but to look at an issue through your eyes, and share what it is that i'm seeing. At the end of the day, maybe we walk away shaking our heads, but maybe - just maybe - we can see something a little differently. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours, but maybe we can understand one another instead of screaming and swinging bats.

Now, it's funny because it's already begun. I have never, ever, heard anyone talking about reparations use the qualifying statement of "to the descendants of slaves". While I was not involved in slavery, I also have no business saying whether or not the gov't should live up to any promises made during that time (I believe that they should) but I absolutely believe that if you came after...sorry. Maybe they would have been paid out if that caveat had been included?

My background is more general gov't, but I think that i'm going to start easy with some questions that play to your strength:

1. As a veteran, I do find the kneeling offensive. I just do. But, as a veteran I understand that the players have a right to do it. It seems, though, that if you speak out against the kneeling, even to make the simple statement that I did, you're told that you are "un-American" for trying to stifle their first amendment rights, while my first amendment right to dissent is ignored because to dissent is to be racist, or a Nazi, etc. So, do you agree the conversation is a little one-sided, and do you think that their choice of protest method was correct?

2. I seem to remember before all of this that the NFL was planning on expanding its profits $1B a year for the next, I don't know, 15 years (it's been a while, i'm going off of memory). Do you feel that this could affect the NFL brand? Positively? Negatively?

3. Trump supporters, even simple non-fascist every day American Trump supporters, who attend rallies have been "DOXX'-ed in an effort to get them fired, yet calls for the players to be fired are dismissed. in my black and white world view this is bit of hypocrisy, and it appears to me that the only difference is that liberals agree with one and disagree with another - and I really hope that's not the case.

Ok. My pleasure.

1) Were you bent out of shape when David Meggessey (sic?) did the same thing as a protest against the Vietnam war? He was blackballed by the league (who get special anti-trust exemptions from congress) sued and won. Now the players have a union. Thanks to him.

F**k Lincoln...THAT GUY ended slavery in the US. So while he was hated in his day as a hippy or a pinko...Meggessey was the kind of real American patriot who knows that TEAM and Country aren't the same thing and that dissent is really the highest form of patriotism - because it is the hardest to conceive and maintain. Anyone can join the crowd. True courage is something else.

A professor of mine - Peter Irons PhD.- wrote "The Courage of their convictions..." about such injustices and tbe people who rode out the scorn of their fellows and the weight of the machine - and WON. The Goebitis case features prominently.JW's don't salute, worship or pledge allegience to false idols (and G-D bless them) - so they too should be hated upon.

Roland Barthes (semiotician) would look at Colin as a multi degree signifier. The Black (and LIVES MATTER) part is the hidden trigger for RACISTS qua racists - but the fascist impulse is to crush all dissent without regard to race. So it takes quite a bit of unpacking to know for sure why you feel as you do. Are you SURE that it's only cause you're a Vet? Meggessey protested when troops were in harms way - about what they were doing and why. Nobody remembers him today.

The perception on the left and with antifa/anti-racist folks is that Colin represents the sham and hypocrisy of the US (like John Carlos and Tommy Smith did in Mexico City etc.) on a lot of levels regarding race, rights, and "freedom" - like ANY protestor would (and did, cause he wasn't alone); but he's also a symbol of black dissent
( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist vs 68 protest differnt page)
- and rich with added value. BLACK QUARTERBACK - always a touchy area for some reason - ask Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham or Cordell Stewart, they know. And here the LEADER who dares question the validity and rectitude of things....It becomes a crowd of Dalleks immediately.

So much to react to - which is where the guessing at motivations becomes a thing. So "racist" and "facist" get lobbed about in shorthand and casually and perhaps - they may sadly be correct - and I don't mean you idolize Hitler or David Duke - but their is a silent reality to our society.

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I'm an engineer, so one thing I do well is not explain things in a coherent manner, so I think that you misunderstood.

I wasn't saying that they had no right (I believe I said that they did), and I certainly wasn't saying I was "bent out of shape", since I have the ability and right to change the channel. My point was that if I say " I disagree with the manner in which they are protesting because, in my opinion, it disrespects the men and women that returned blown into pieces" I get called a Nazi or worse - and I can see that it seemed to upset you as well, which was not the point. so, once again, why is their right to speak their minds more important than my right to speak mine?

When I was watching the anthem during the Broncos pre-game, I saw all of those players kneeling and watched the F-16's fly over. Yes, it's because I'm a veteran, because I served in very bad places and because i'm less than when I began because of it. To me, it's spitting in my face, to reference Vietnam.

We can save anti-fa for another discussion - they are certainly the poster children of "when you stare long into the abyss...", but another day.

interesting that Colin is perceived as a hypocrite by the left - I didn't realize that. I've now learned two new things.

One of my favorite things about the NFL, or sports in general, is that color didn't matter. If you were great at a position you played. Gonzales was awesome to watch, Marshall Faulk? Man, he was something. And it didn't matter what color the player was that crossed the goal line, they were a hero. Maybe people assume the worst of others when it comes to black QB's - but come on, when it comes to throwing tantrums no one beats Brady.

I know that the line about idolizing Hitler wasn't directed at me, but non-liberals in general.

No sir. Not upset at all. Just ran out of space before I could put a bow on that. Since I can't know all the interactions you've had...or you really without some IRL observation - I spoke generally about how "my side" sees someone on "your side" - so please don't take it personally. I myself use those terms freely where I feel it appropriate - but as someone who studies the subject I feel entitled to. Others unclear on meanings and caught up in all the swirl of reason...may use them less correctly.

Colin is regarded as righteous on the left. It is America which they find hypocritical. Sure you're free and equal - until you dare point out the reality of thingz.

My point on Vietnam and Meggessey is that was a protest - directed AT YOU. But we all forget it, somehow. And Colin would come up off his knee in the just country that we all hope you were fighting for. But that place is as much a myth now...as then. So Cognitive Dissonance and Mind Control en masse win the day. @ least until Trump opened his mouth and united most of the country (against his side). Check todays Kevin and Bean show. Harvey Levin and Andrew Siciliano both talk about the weekend's winners and losers.

http://kroq.cbslocal.com/audio/the-kevin-bean-show-on-kroq/

Please don't take what you know about Antifa from Trump or the MSM, please. "Nazi punks - f**k off" is as old as punk rock itself. Fascists abuse the liberties of free societies to TAKE THEM AWAY from others. Resistance by FORCE works. F**k Noam Chomsky. Asshole never stood up for MY free speech - and I'm a HELL of a lot closer to his sphere than the Euro-fascists he's defended on academic freedom grounds...it'z a put on. He works at MIT - a few doors down from former CIA Director John Deutsch. He's controlled opposition.

You also keep referencing Jennifer grey - I need to rewatch that because I've seen the movie multiple times... And I don't remember Charlie Sheen

He's in cuffs in the police station towards the end. I'd like to think she begins dating a bad boy...

Starting over because we hit the end of the line on that thread.

I'm not ready to go down the Anti-Fa path - and I don't get my news from one source, ever, just to be clear there.

I think that maybe Trump just sped up the process, I mean it was going to either end with what it is now, with everyone protesting, or the complete opposite, because people stopped caring. For Colin this was probably the best outcome, and I certainly don't mean that sarcastically.

I just wonder what this is going to do to the game. will it make a difference? will the NFL feel an impact? will they care either way? maybe, maybe not. I had asked your professional opinion on that. I'm not saying that i'm hoping one way or the other, I was curious what you thought. i'd imagine that you've talked about it at some point.

Well done. I was hoping you'd see my reply where I put it.

Colin's career is in limbo. But mostly because of his w-l record and big game situations - and his contract made him too costly to keep. Now that he's essentially a free agent I would hope that he'd start getting fair trade interest - as injuries and/or retirements open up positions. Chargers just became a BETTER fit for him personally - because ALL of the WHITE San Diego fans hated him. He was COVERRD UP with a WHITE SHEET - by UNIFORMED members of the MILITARY while he quietly knelt on opening day/"MILITARY APPRECIATION NIGHT", in San Djiego last year. He was reviled publicly a NB d privately - for a quiet statement of conscience, perhaps the quiestest one he could possibly make AND THE LOUDEST in real terms (he works for the 49'erds and NFL @ that point mind you - so they could have fined or fired him theoretically.

According to Harvey and Andrew - viewership is UP. So no negative effects upon the botttom line. Quite the contrary. The radio show posts around noon pst usually. I find ot amazing as radio - and often QUITE funny. As with today. Enjoy the Bhad Bhabie raps - yo!. Itz TURNT.

Oh, and just for the record I didn't care about Montana until he played for KC - even as old as he was, he was still fun to watch. I still remember all of the surgery scars on his elbows - must have been in a lot of pain but he loved the game. Went back after to watch him in his prime on the old reels, so I was actually never a 49ers fan.

I also noticed you didn't reply to my Brady comment - you a NE fan?

Sorry no -
Charger fan. I was going to answer 2 and 3 when available - I sometimes take tests in reverse and do other sneaky stuff - this time - I just ran out of firstly, space...and then battery. So let me go re-read. Kind of haye the Pats for legit X-Files reasons. They cheat. Well known - so f**k 'em, I say.

I reviewd hos stats briefly. Good not great. But he had Iron Mike as his coach and Vernon Davis for a TE. 'Can't play with 'em - can't win with 'em'. So perhaps he could be .ode in the right system. Otherwise a paycut or a back-up role or retorement seem like the 3 most likely futures. Glad he was vindicated popularly this weekend - the way he was treated pissed me off. Let me go thru ma memes - because I made one with the white sheet - in FRONT AND AROUND in a circle held by a multi-racial multi-branch cover-up squad. To my mind, at the time, following unconstitutional - damn nigh TREASONOUS orders. The military is supposed to defend Colin's Right to Protest - not infringe directly.

And yet the camera's clearly showed it happening. I feel like it was a night game - so possibly national coverage. I found recent shots on the web around the time. Sent Rome and Kevin & Bean a text/e-mail on that sybject as I recall.

I'll go bavk re-read and try to catch up. Ok?

It seems like my questions may have been overcome by events - but i'm not 100% sure what I asked anymore. Perhaps we need to just continue from where we are - works for you then it works for me.

I hate the Pats for the same reasons, and when Brady looks all sad...it makes me smile. I know it's petty, but here we are. I'm a Chiefs fan, so the first game of the season was great.

Good for me too. I think I already did answer those already, so there we are.

Congratulations on the wins. The Chargers just seem snake-bit. I thought we were coming back for a W yesterday....oh well.

tried to reply, but I'm not sure it "took". anyway, I was saying that anyone can claim to like a team that wins a lot, but you and me, we're the actual fans...because we're used to disappointment and we support them just the same.

Oh, and Denver is a team that can make a crappy QB look great and a great QB look the GOAT. It's annoying, but I have to respect it - and if you're surrounded by "lesser" talented players that can't catch the ball, then your passing stats really start to look like crap, and Denver has good at surrounding the QB with talent.

Denver seems like a bad fit for him to me - but I suppose it could work. But he could probably play and make it work anywhere - he has all the tools.

I was thinking about the black quarterback thing. White folks tend to feel threatened by the idea of them not being in charge.

So there used to be joke about what you call a white guy with ______ black guys. 5 black guys - Sergeant. 52 guys - Coach. 5000 - Warden, and so-on..

Traditionally, pre- and post- slavery, the work blacks were forced to do was the hot and heavy dirty and/or dangerous work - because societal values (that blacks and their lives are worth less) are reflected and reinforced in a myriad of ways. A Black Coach or Quaterback subverts that paradigmatic meme.

Also - in re racism WITHIN the black community - they are humani, and therefore internalize the values of the culture that surrounds them. Most rebel on some level - but implicit bias and all - no one is truly immune. So the colonization process is both physical and MENTAL. There's Racism in Mexico,too - amongst Mexicans. The closer you are to European (French, German, Spanish) the higher on tbe 'caste system' you fall. Indiands get f**ked-over just about everywhere.

Within the structure of Colonial slave society - slaves were the bottom rung on the ladder - meaning the POOR WHITES were NOT. In fact look at the numbers. The rich elite whites were a SUPER-minority. Poor whites were an actual minority - and enslaved blacks the majority.

Slavery culture protected the elites from the poorer class around (and theoretically equal to-) them, by giving the poor someone to be better-than. Post slavery nothing changes - because the Klan is organized by the elite whites to keep the poor cretins beneath them - from rebelling, or letting the former slaves become the powerful majority that they deserved to be, all along.

Well, i don't presume to speak for all "white folks", but if KC had a black QB that won games I wouldn't care what color he was. When i see an awesome break away run to the endzone I don't say "dammit, if he white that would have been great" - again, i may be in the minority, but i absolutely do not care.

I grew up in the Midwest where there weren't very many minorities - they were there, but not "in numbers", so my fellow white people had decided that people with funny last names would fit the bill nicely. i had a friend tell me one time that she was El Salvador, but in America, she was Mexican. Well, it didn't matter where my family was from, i was dirty Polak. The point here isn't "boohoo life is hard", it's that even if we were all the same color there would still be some sort of discrimination. I think that to a certain level people need to feel superior, and if they can't find something obvious they'll find something...anything. So, long explanation is me agreeing with you.

Agreed. i would go so far as to say that providing gov't assistance without helping to lift out of poverty or provide training / education is just as damaging. How better to keep someone down than by providing a little money and no actual help. Don't get me wrong, there are people that really need help and i'm glad they're getting it, but there are people that, if we invested a little more money into, could actually better their situation - maybe i'm naïve, but i believe that to be true.

You are, in fact, quite right - on many levels. The issue with black athletes (once that hurdle was cleared...and integration in sports only began in the 50's with Jackie Robinson and Don Newcomb - so not so long ago) is not that we don't visualuze ourselves succeeding with them - we do, and color matters less than talent. But there was a TON of resistance to that, originally. The perception that whie guys are "smarter" (try spitting a freestyle rhyme - not easy) prevails to this day - a day like Rivers had (where most fans are like "aww shucks Phil") would get a ton of racist hate mail for a Kaep ("you stupid, lazy, worthless, N-..."). And before Warren Moon - black quarterback wasn't even a THING. Randall Cunningham was phenomenal as an athlete. But when he had a bad game - Philly fan there (they threw batteries at SANTA, for chrissakes) they really showed him their true face. So getting the job is like at least 5x harder if you're black (check the numbers - in a league where blacks are OVER-represented at all other positions @ QB disproportionately low.) And once you get it - you're held to an unfair standard and singled out for extra abuse.

As for government assistance....who gets more overall - poor whites, or blacks? Answer - whites. Which is why.the racists that the Koch brothers use as shock troops for their political purposes - are actually cutting their own throats, when they try and prevent benefits from going to black folks (and prior to 1953 - there was no real movement or support to reverse the new deal - which is why people on the left are suspicious of "Conservative" and "Libertarian" values - y'all got your slice of the pie...and now don't want to share any with the kitchen help). Like they want to pull up the ladder from behind them - so no one else can come up.

Funny enough - the "urban renewal" and great society programs from the 30's on may have actually DESTROYED (helped - the active efforts of racists also played a part, probably a bigger one) the black middle class. I learned how in an Ethnic Studies class. HUD rules prevent operating a business from your apartment - so no doing laundry or taking in a boarder...(both forms of entrepreneurship - which had been a common way to get ahead in the black community).

KC - that's not too far from Missouri...right? They some black folk there - but ya ain't allowed to see 'em. Race Mixing...you know.

Technically the Chiefs are on the MO side of KC, but i wasn't raised in KC. I'm a hick from the sticks. Not race mixing, just not a lot of minorities in my little town.

I didn't specify race when it came to gov't assistance, white, black, brown - it all costs the same, doesn't it? Now there are a lot of programs for helping minorities with the SBA, which is great, and it makes me crazy that people don't used them (if you want me to share a few examples, i would be glad to, but it's a lot of typing). Anyway, if we as a people can change our mentality from just supporting poverty (for lack of a better term) to helping to create self-sufficiency, well, that would be much better for everyone. Can you imagine? But you're right - when the gov't creates a person (of any race) that can help themselves, you lose control. So that's probably not going to happen.

I was kidfing about the race mixing bit. But Ferguson is close.by is my point. Things are designed to segregate in those parts. Like when Michael Moore went through Ferguson years before Michael Browns tragic murder - he showed how the new shopping center was designed to serve one community and not another. Bus fro the black neighborhood was stopping across the street. The street - a Super Highway. No crosswalks.

My brother is in St. Louis and he sent me videos of the police clearing the streets. Our views on politics...are different, but you can't really discuss with family without things getting bad or weird, so i appreciate your time.

It sounds like St. Louis isn't as friendly as he makes it sound, like it's the Austin of MO, or the Portland of MO, etc...

I was thinking about this - it seems like simple math to me. Let's use made up numbers just for discussion, if you don't mind. So, let's say $100M is paid out in benefits to everyone. I know it's not, but lets say it is. Then, let's say you start a program to provide training and offer it - not mandatory - and 10% of the people respond. Training (whatever that is, i'm not getting into specifics, trade school, whatever) costs $20M for the 10%. Total cost of $120M, but in a year or two or whatever (depending on training) let's say half stayed with it, or 5%. That's $5M per whatever (i never defined it) that are now CONTRIBUTING to the tax base, so the ROI isn't $5M (or 5% of $100M) it's $5M + taxes. So you could argue that now is $95M instead of $100M and the investment outweighed the return - but that would be short-sighted. I think the benefits would greatly outweigh the cost. But what do i know.

Apologies - rereading my post made it sound like i was just concerned with money and not the people, which is not the case. I was approaching it like i was presenting to a politician, which is (admittedly) very sterile and money-related.

I heard that Denver had been considering him, but now that everyone is kneeling it eliminates the "stigma" and puts the light back on his ability, for better or worse. There's been a loud group proclaiming that he was an awesome QB and was unfairly discriminated against, but i'm not the sports radio host and I was never a fan of the 49ers after Montana, so maybe he was great.

Someone covered Colin with a sheet? I can't find any stories on that. How could anyone get on the field to do that?

I'd imagine that there would be an anti-Trump bounce. I'm interested in seeing if it lasts - not pro-NFL, not anti-NFL, just honestly interested in seeing how this plays out.