Philosoraptor

Not mine...wish it was.

When the much more likely scenario is absurd than the scenario one desperately promulgates one is in a rather untenable position to say the least. What it comes down to is hating God and loving sin.

Embracing atheistic evolution is not based on reason as it is wildly unreasonable. The Bible speaks of unbelievers hating God, loving sin and willfully suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.

Theistic evolution is silly. Why believe in slow and sloppy if ur gonna bring God into it?

Here is my bottom line: Science doesn't disprove creationism, it proves evolution (or whatever it is set out to prove or find....that's the point of science.) With or without the Bible the findings of science remain constant. Those that believe in creationsim (or the Bible as fact) are constantly trying to disprove science while never being able to prove creationsim.

funny how none of you NONE OF YOU, question the bible because it says it is not to be questioned and questioning it results in eternal damnation.

So explain how nothing exploding and creating everything is possible.

Right and what are the changes that your god just appeared out of nowhere? Some magical god appearing seems less likely than paricles

God is eternal. Without beginning or end. He didn’t come to life because he always lives.

It is possible that creation is true. Its also possible that my shampoo bottle is the ghost of Christmas past. Neither is likely or have any facts but if I right a book about it I can say, see this book says my shampoo bottle is the ghost of Christmas past.

It takes more faith to believe in the ludicrous nonsense that is evolution than to believe God spoke and literally His breath brought the world into existance.

No, you're confusing faith with intelligence.

Not hardly.

Umm, you're confusing intelligence with believing something as complex as the human body - not to mention the earth, every plant and every creature - could evolve by chance in however long it took. Sure, a monkey might possibly eventually write Shakespeare if it whacks a keyboard long enough. However the odds of that ever happening are...greater than the odds of life spontaneously emerging.

And you are noticeably avoiding answering my question as to why you so strongly desire to disprove Christianity. Why?

Yes, science can be useful. However there are limits to human understanding. You have never seen God, so you say he does not exist. Very well; by that logic, anything that has not yet been discovered by man does not yet exist, and only begins to exist when men discover it. That, my friend, is EXACTLY what you are saying. And that notion is blindly arrogant; we don't even entirely understand how our own earth works, and yet you think that we, with our limited knowledge, should be able to fathom God, if he exists? The notion is absurd.

And thus so is your argument that, because you cannot see evidence of God, he cannot exist. However I - and others who believe as I do - say that the very complexity of life is evidence of God. You ignore our evidence, because you say there's no watermark of God in creation. Yet, of all the (quite literally infinite) possibilities of atomic combinations, somehow on Earth they managed to come together in exactly the right order to create life. You, my friend, are the one who is taking a leap of faith here; the probability of all this evolving by random chance is infinitesimally small, so small as to be effectively an impossibility. And yet you say this world is proof of Evolution, and it all happened by chance. Chance, or God? Which is more likely? If I take a box of legos, and start tossing it around, know how many years it'll take before those legos assemble themselves into a lego toy? It'll never happen, and yet that's the same reasoning behind Evolution: that life ordered itself into itself.

And now for the third time I will ask: why do you so strongly oppose something you don't even believe in? All the energy you're pouring into refuting Creation is quite indicitive of not only disbelief but animosity as well. Why do you hate the idea of God so much?

Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it still accounts for less than 30% of the world's population. And very few religions are as polarizing as Christianity (which for the sake of this discussion we're treating as a single unit and not bothering to consider the various divisions within Christianity); would you go to the same effort to disprove Allah? Or Buddha? Or Hinduism? You'll probably say you would, but...of all religions, which one is the most refuted by people of every other religion? Yes, my friend, Christianity is the most hated religion in the world.

Explain this paradox to me: how is it that you admit you CANNOT disprove the possibility of God's existence, and yet you have entered into this discussion with intent to endeavor to prove God does not exist. So, if God does not exist, prove it! And if you cannot prove it, how then can you with a clear conscience try to convince someone else you are right? Because there's a chance that you might be wrong, and a rational mind cannot ignore a possibility that cannot be disproven.

Now, I would wager your immediate response will be to turn that argument around on me. "Ah ha!" You think. "He still can't prove it himself. His argument is as worthless as mine."

In this discussion, my position does not depend on proving beyond a doubt; however yours does. I cannot prove God is real, yet I know that he is. No, I've never seen him...but I've never seen gravity, either. Nor have I seen life. No one has! Gravity and life cannot be seen; we may see things which are affected by gravity, or things which are alive, but the two forces themselves may not be seen. And yet, in spite of them being invisible, because of the evidence they present in our everyday lives, we know they exist...even though we really don't know exactly what they are. What is life? What IS life? What makes something come alive?

The difference between our two arguments is that whereas you must PROVE God's nonexistence, trust in God is not something that relies on seeing and touching; you are correct in that whether or not God is real is something that cannot be proven, from a human standpoint. It must be taken on faith. Which is exactly what the Bible teaches, and where so many men - such as yourself - fall down, because unless you can see the physical presence of God, you won't believe he exists.

Now you will say, "If God truly loved us, he would show himself to us."

Well, suppose he already did?

You don't need intelligence to believe in creationism. You need only "faith"

Science has a basis of testing and/or observance. Science is work. Science can be proven and disproven based on data and/or facts. Science is hard.

Faith is easy. Like when a child that believes in Santa Claus. They are told to believe, and they do so it's true....and easy. When the facts hit them....it's sad. :(

Which requires more faith? To believe a universe randomly evolved from a cesspool of "matter" (which nobody has any clue where the matter came from either)? Or to believe in God creating something from nothing?

Also bear in mind that humans are not infallible. Nor is our science. Science is an endeavor for humans to understand things...however our understanding is still only OUR understanding. This "science" you put so much faith in, is only as good as the humans using it. So your trust in science is really trust in Man's ability to understand the universe we live in. So you trust in...man. Your trust is in YOU.

Again: science can be proven or disproven based on empirical data and/or facts.

What data we have on the creation and/or evolution makes WAAAAAAY more sense than basically " a magic invisible Man made it so"

And yet, where did the matter from which this universe was created come from?

You refuse to believe in something that is beyond understanding, whereas I believe because I know that I cannot understand otherwise.

So if humans cannot understand it, it cannot exist? That is what you are saying - that humans may prove or disprove the existence of anything. So humans, then, which are according to you just another link in the evolutionary chain...we're the ones who get to decide what does and doesn't exist?

If God does exist, then he must perforce be immeasurably greater than human, in order for him to BE God. So why do you expect to understand God? If he is that great, why should man be capable of understanding him, or seeing him?

so you're questioning where "matter" came from...
when there is no explanation for where god came from?

God is infinite. Without beginning or end. Why would you assume God is bound by the laws of the universe if he is the one who created the universe?

then, by the same logic, we can say that because matter made the universe, it has no beginning or end either.

Matter did not make anything; matter is inanimate, in and of itself.

So it comes to a choice of deciding whether to believe in inanimate matter for some as yet unexplained reason exploding and then reforming into not only new forms of matter but eventually - and still randomly - evolving life? That concept is the notion of Spontaneous Generation. Is that what you believe?

We don't reject science. God is a God of science just as He is of math, grammar, history and so forth.

being agnostic is the best. pretty much every aspect of every belief is absolute bullshit in every way. i'll just wait until i die and find out then, thank you. and i'll keep my sundays.

I'm sure The Judge of All the Earth will be terribly impressed with your approach.

I concur. By the time you find out which is a lie and which is truth it'll be too late and the Judge of All the Earth will have cast you into "utter darkness where the worm dieth not and there will be gnashing of teeth." This we call hell.

Lol...friend, no one is threatening you. Except God. Now, suppose you're wrong? What do you think will happen?

If I'm wrong, then I'll merely become nothing when I die and won't know the difference. So, even though I don't gain, neither do I lose. However if you're wrong, you're going to be condemned to eternal suffering by the God you claim doesn't exist.

So why are you so set on proving God doesn't exist? What will that gain you? Or anyone?

So, what if you're wrong?

What if, what if. What if my beard were made of green spinach?

Tell me which is a more believable God: Allah, a god who commands his followers to exterminate all who oppose him; or the God of Abraham, who commands men NOT to kill those who oppose him but rather to win converts through example and to leave retribution for sin to God? Which is more godlike? The god who says "go wipe out my enemies", or the God who says "believe in me and thus become separate from my enemies, because when the time comes I will destroy them"? Which sounds more like a god?

You never bothered to explain why you hate Christianity so much and desire to completely disprove it. Why do you hate it so much? What will you gain from so doing? If I'm such a fool, and others like me, what will you gain from convincing me there is no God? How will that make the world any better, or worse? Tell me.

You demand to see God in order to believe in him; and so when the Bible says "blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe", you say "well I didn't see it so it's not real." However let's look in the Bible. The Bible says that when God came to earth in the form of a man, people refused to acknowledge him! Not because he didn't perform miraculous signs - he did. Nor was it because he isn't claim to be God - he made no secret of who he was. And yet, the world hated him then as it does to this day. And I'm fully aware you'll discount this argument because it's in the Bible, which you say is false. But let's pretend for a moment that it's true: God came to earth, and men didn't recognize him and murdered his earthly form (which God allowed for mankind's redemption). So if that's true, why should you expect to recognize God even if you saw him?! Unless you're better than anyone who lived during those times.

Tell me, why do YOU hate the thought of Christ? Clearly you do, as evidenced by your repeated and vehement efforts to disprove Christianity.

it's not the act of not seeing it. i didn't see man go to space, or man advancing technology. but i know it because of things that affect my daily life. news reports, internet, even the computer i'm typing this from. but the changes to a christian's life are ones they brought upon themselves, like going to church and praying something good will happen. who brought about the industrial age? mortals. who went to the moon? mortals. god has had no effect on the advancement of humanity, at least directly. why do people die horrible deaths DAILY even if they are believers? only giving peace after death to those who think of him as a benevolent lord, and dismissing ALL OTHERS to eternal damnation?
if god exists, he must be a sadist.

Allah is the god of Abraham. Same as Yahweh for Jews. All the same. Humans started at the same god and adjusted to fit their needs over time. So who's to say which one (if any) is real or fake. There were God's before this one and there will be God's after this one.

Man needs something to believe in because for some the idea of nothing is mind blowing and depressing. Religion is a crutch. ANY religion. They are all rooted in the same thing: making people comfortable with death and to some degree as a guide for living life.

If you're already ok with death and your generally nice to everyone.......you really don't need religion.

So if Allah is the god of Abraham, and Abraham was the father of the Jews, why did Allah command Mohamed to destroy Israel?

And now I'll ask you, since you clearly desire to get involved: why do you so badly want to disprove Christianity?

A. Because MAN has a need to justify their actions.

B. Im not trying to.disprove Christianity. All religions are silly. And im not trying to disprove any of them. I am pointing out facts about them.

Correct. Mohamed sat under a tree one day and formulated his own version of God that pretty much gave him the right to do whatever the hell he wanted to do, in the name of Jihad. And you're telling us that this god is the same one who handed down the most stringent set of laws found anywhere in the world, outlined in the Old Testament? Mohamed needed to justify his actions, his hated, so he created his own twisted image of God and made himself Allah's prophet. Allah is as much God as a cartoonist's buffoonish image of a man is the actual man.

So, why are you even bothering to point out "facts"? What do you hope to gain?

I hope to gain a stimulating conversation.

The Bible explicitly makes mention to hell dozens of times in the New Testament. Here's a video where some Siberian miners found the sounds of hell. https://youtu.be/8iPIXq_jGMQ This is all the proof you need.

then why have pilots not heard the choirs of heaven?

Because Heaven is a lot farther away than hell. Hell may very well be at the earth's core where as Heaven is likely to be out of the reach of human ears.

we've gone past the moon and heard nothing. because heaven is commonly depicted with large, fluffy clouds, i would say it is still within the earth's atmosphere, at a low enough level for clouds like that to exist. also known as right below the common cruising altitude for commercial airliners. and because there are no reports of angels being sucked into air intakes, if heaven exists it must be somewhere off-planet. but i digress.

Those pictures with large, fluffy clouds though are depicted by humans who have never seen heaven. They are just imagining what it would look like.

But that's just a guess. Don't quote me on that.

I just searched Siberian miners sounds of hell. People can listen and decide for themselves. It's not the kind of thing you find on your suggested YouTube feed so I appreciate being able to search for stuff like that!

I'm glad someone enjoyed it.

I firmly believe based upon what Christian scientists and the Bible itself says that that was hell we found. Whether or not you believe that was hell or not is not the point. Hell does exist, and while I do believe we've found it I also believe that someday when Jesus returns for the final battle between good and evil, which honestly will be a short battle, their will be men, women, and unfortunately children who will spend the rest of their waking lives in that horrible place.

so even if i'm a great person, i'll still go to hell because i... didn't retweet god?

No, salvation comes by faith ALONE through grace ALONE in Jesus Christ ALONE

a) you sound like a Jehovah's witness

b) "oh no! i'm in hell! if only i believed all that stuff that made no sense!"

Actually I'm not a JW, I'm a firm Baptist. Secondly, when you come to know Jesus Christ as your personal Savior it makes more sense than you'd think.

also, what if you never even heard of god? in the time of the rise of christianity, communication was limited. do you go to hell for something you never chose?

Unfortunately yes those who never heard the name of Jesus will go to hell and it truly is sad and that's why it's my job to make sure I tell as many people as I can so that they WILL hear the name of Jesus and hopefully be able to join HIM in heaven someday.

which is rather interesting, considering you are being quite aggravating to everyone who doesn't comment "lol christiantiy good"

I just posted the meme. If you don't like it you don't have to say anything. Just keep scrolling. You don't HAVE to argue your opinion.

I would, but I commented once and there's no way to "unsubscribe" from a meme's notifications without turning them off entirely.
So i'm stuck with these annoying responses.

Well I'm truly sorry. I suppose that's both our faults. I apologize for my behalf.