I can't really 'stalk' you if you keep popping up in my whack-a-mole

I've always got along with KenJ and you, had some laughs, I really dont understand, I had beefs last year with a particular user, I got lots of timers put on me, now I know who to stay away from. If you cant have reasonable discussion with a difference of opinion, and use alts n friends to downvote you, then that just shows a lack of maturity and fear for being challanged. I've allways wondered how those people deal in real life and how often they get punched. I'll call someone out on their shit, but if that cant express themselves maturely and honestly, then that makes whatever point they're trying to make invalid. I wonder if they use the "family" restrooom and sit up on the diaper change table and wait for someone to wipe their bum. Ha ha ha.

Well, DashHopes organized a feedback campaign to get comment timers removed for replies on your own creations a while back. Not sure if that enhancement was impacted for KenJ or Octavia recently. The point there is if enough people send in feedback, that might catalyze a change in the web code. People have talked about getting rid of the downvote button altogether, I'm not sure that is the solution. I'm in favor of something more creative like interactive (algorithm based) downvote limits or downvote muting (downvotes do nothing after a certain number) for those who abuse it.

Dash's campaign is what inspired me to do what I'm doing now (I can't remember - did you comment on my downvote timer meme? I'm getting old and memory is going south ;) ). When you get dinged by a downvote attack, your probation also includes how many times you can comment on even your own, and worst of all, HOW you can. Octavia's problems provide a good case in point: I often go in to read his comments when he's arguing politics and often find his comments downvoted to 'low rated comment' censorship (now THAT's just wrong to have as a function) and it's obvious by the names he's arguing with and those in the surrounding area, who the downvoting culprits are. And I suspicion - with little hard evidence of course - these culprits are known among the admins, whether through flagging or complaints, etc.Your algorithim and muting ideas are intriguing. Have you thought about sending feedback along those lines? I'm trying to encourage as many people as possible to send feedback. I think that's what pushed Dash's idea over the top.

Thanks! I did comment on that one but I know you're swamped. I haven't sent my feedback in yet, I will tonight. You have my support.

Pleasantly swamped by the response to it. :) So far I count only two negative responses to this advocacy, although as I just told rpc1 that meme is getting big downvotes bcause, though it has more views, upvotes, and comments than this one, this meme is/was on page two and the other is nowhere in sight. :P

Please send in feedback, and encourage others to do so if you see fit. Thanks. :)

I actually think there would be more of a benefit to install a block feature and do away with the downvote button. If they put in a block feature, we can keep people from commenting on our memes and comments, even keep us from commenting to them as well, and the removal of the downvote button would do away with them being able to use alt accounts to attack people forcing comment timers on them. It might get a little complicated to also make it where they can't see each others memes and comments, but that would be nice for a block feature.

Hmm. I've heard the block feature suggested before, Raydog made a meme about it mid-summer. Not sure if KenJ is after that here, he is all about free speech.

Exactly. As above in my response to TheRoadWarrior.

Well, if you are on a public forum then the public should be able to participate. My point is to limit secret attacks. If you want to call me vicious names then do so to my face. I'm good with that because I can respond back. Downvoting me with your friends into obscurity is cowardice. A block feature would allow too many people to crawl off into their own little holes. You can always just quit the site if you don't like the twats on here.

Well the same thing can be said about the secret attacks. You are on a public forum that doesn't use people's real identities to begin with. So we really don't know who each other is, so what does it matter if they attack in secret or attack to your face? You will never know who they really are, so you really can't do anything to them. Being a public site, people can use the site any way they wish. In all reality, the ability to vote on a meme or comment is a form of speech, so if you are really all about free speech, limiting how often they can use negative votes does in fact limit their freedom of speech. Whether it is alt accounts or people in a group like CTS that is casting the downvotes in secret, you are still limiting their speech by putting limits on it. The other issue I find with putting limits on votes is next you can start expecting spam comments from the people who want to do attacking. Say you limit to 5 downvotes an hour, so the person who attacks send 10 comments one hour, 8 comments the next, 12 the next hour, and so on. These can even be short comments or even single word comments. So since they can't attack with downvotes, now they attack with spam. What would you want to do at that point?

By being able to block them, you stop the attacks, both with what they say and with the downvotes, at least towards you directly. No matter what they will still find ways to talk shit about you to other people. And so what if people decide to crawl into their own little hole. Just means they have reduced the amount of points they will be getting and they removed nearly every reason to be on this site anyways. I would bet that if people lost their ability to attack others, both with words and with votes, they would give up and just leave.

Let me ask you this though. If you were to limit the amount of downvotes to 5 per hour, is that 5 per hour total or 5 per hour towards each account? So for instance, if you are going through the latest memes and find 10 memes that you disagree with and feel they should be downvoted, do you have to choose 5 of those to downvote and the rest are left alone, or if they are all created by different people are you still able to downvote all 10 of them? Then I guess the next question would be is that 5 downvotes total or 5 for comments and 5 for memes each hour? Really I am curious how far you have thought this out to how detailed you think it should be.

Comments are already limited by the comment timer if you spread your love a little too much. A rule meant to curb trolling. As for downvotes, if you want to downvote 10 comments and have 5 an hour, then downvote 5 one hour and 5 the next. If you are too lazy to remember what you want to downvote then it probably isn't that important. And I view mass downvotes swarms not as free speech, but as a group of people pulling away a speaker and locking them up in jail if they don't like what they have to say. You can talk shit to me as long as I can talk back. Making it difficult to do so behind my back is censorship along the lines of an authoritarian government locking up dissenters. I know there will always be asshats on imgflip, and even many high-point earners have their moments of asshattery, myself included. Imgflip already has several rules to limit trolling and attacks, including some I disagree with - it's too easy to flag without the flagged being able to respond - so something new and relatively unlimiting like a downvote timer would only be a minor addition, and one that would basically only affect those who abuse it.

It's nice to see that you've put a lot of thought into it. Thanks for the detailed response. Nice, balanced debate is what I'm looking for. :)

My thought with this is that normally if you downvote some, especially if it is someone trolling/attacking you, you normally end up with a response to their comment. Just like what I dealt with during times of 2 hour comment timers, you will never be able to catch up with limited downvotes. It could start with 10, then it becomes 5 during that first hour. By the time you can do it again, there could be 15 more attacks, which means there are 20 in the second hour. And it just keeps going up from there. By limiting downvotes to leep from troll attacks, you are also limiting the only tool given to retaliate against troll attacks. I can see how it can limit some aspects of trolling, but I can see it create new or increase other forms of troll attacks.

I am a very logistical thinker. I can take nearly any scenario and process numerous outcomes based off of what could happen, and even alternates to those scenario outcomes based off of possible decisions and choices that come up. I am almost like one of those adventure choice books where you choose possible options for the story and it has multiple optional endings. Not sure of you have ever read a book like that before. So yea I take things like ideas for changes to the site and process possible good and negative scenarios that will rise from it.

Last saw one of those books probably 40 years ago. I'm old. :)

Yeah. I know who these people are, though I couldn't prove it in a court of law. But I don't have to. And I'd only be too happy to ignore them and their heinous opinions, but when they pop up a dozen times in my notifications and then at the last huffily claim I'm trolling them (yes, often on my own creation), then I smell a giant pile of manipulative dog shit. Case in (unnamed) point: had a user come on to my meme and accuse me of being a big baby, and when I came back with a rejoinder saying I felt their politics were near-fascist, they sent a photo avatar of a woman with a swastika tattoo on her chest and used a homophobic slur. And then right after another notorious user associated with them came on and said I was insulting the other user against TOS policies and he flagged and downvoted me - this after the 'insulted' user showed their stripes with the tat. I'm insulting someone by calling them out on politics they express themselves??? anyway, right after that, within an hour, I had trouble with my ability to use pictures taken away and comments timed in the minutes not seconds (and also lost a daily submission). I flagged away and sent the admins e-mails with copied offender comments and my defense and got back in the good quickly - although begging for upvotes might've helped too. :) But my last three downvote swarms have come right after having contact with these two users, so it's gotta be bloody evident, right? This is why I put up my more major meme yesterday (along with this) about perhaps it's time to put a timer on downvotes. I'll never stop calling someone out on their shit, but it would be nice not to be secretly swarm-attacked by hiding cowards.

Your as-many-comments-as-possible-on-your-own-meme campaign is what has inspired me in agitating for a downvote timer. Any ideas I can use?

[image deleted]And then it's sandwiched between two other memes completely out of context so that neither meme relates with any other?

Kidding of course. Just trying to put an idea into what qualifies, quite grudgingly, as a mainstream here. Like you I'm fricking tired of arriving on-site to find myself unable to communicate with friends just because a group of embittered assholes don't like what I have to say. :(

You know what I'd like? That the shading on your notifications only disappear when you click on them, instead of right after you click on the box to check. So that you know what you haven't looked at yet if you go up the list for a reason. I missed some comments from 1forpeace - good user, you should check hers out, she always makes me feel peaceful :) - and only caught them by accident while looking for something else. I felt mortified that I almost missed them.

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It happens. Meme on my friend :)

I shall. Just trying to clear the air. :)

Have you ever been trolled? I mean like downvoted to obscurity. I see you positively interacting with people on imgflip I know have trolled me. Does everyone really like DashHopes? :D

I've been trolled. First time when I hit first place in the weekly and put raydog 2nd, guess that was frowned on back then. Later I had a hater who was putting out antii-Dash memes and all my comments were dropping and some memes went back into submission. This went on for about a month. It was an alt account but I had my suspicions. I was a huge commenter at the time so I don't think they could hit me as hard as they wanted because I was keeping ahead of them in comment points.

Big Users can be just as petty as the Little Ones. ('cept for you Dash! :) ) This isn't really a troll issue, but: anyway - this going unnamed - I would fight with this Big User on political issues. I thought him an arrogant prick. But then I figured I was an agitating asshole as well and as I went along I saw more to like in his interactions with helping others so I called a truce, sorta without it being official. Got along well, though I found him aloof and didn't really think he made very interesting memes. Recently, out of the blue he dinged me on some rules BS that wasn't even applicable in this instance, and I never got an explantion for it from him, though it later seemed as if he was trying to get back on my good side by comment nicely on memes of mine (I didn't answer). I'm pretty much back to thinking him an arrogant prick. ;P

Find my timer meme and the owners email is on it in the comments I think

I'll try. :O I'm really curious now...

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Seems like for some, a troll is anyone who disagrees with you.

And that's the problem. I love to debate, and I'll debate someone with an opposing political belief respectfully as long as they offer evidence instead of anger. The problem I find here is those who try and manipulate the system by accusing the person simply answering their notifications by suddenly claiming that they're the ones being trolled. Huh? I'm just answering you, you're the one scourging me with slurs, and now that I point out the politics you gleefully exhibit, I have to be flagged? Just for disagreeing with you? Nowadays I find the best evidence that someone is a troll is when they accuse you of being one. :P

lol true that.

Agreed. I'll accept polite debates, but yes, if they meet me with anger and insults, I'll leave the discussion. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but not to shove their opinion down others' throats or bash them for having a different point of view.

Yeah, face me and complain, I can take it; but if you go behind my back and try to silence me through downvotes because you don't like my opinion then the person can go back to Smallmindedville.

All these trolls handing out downvotes like Halloween candy... It's just really low. I only downvote if I really need to. We certainly need to get these people off Imgflip if they're going to be so petty.