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Moses speaks to Pharoah | EXODUS 14:4: I SHALL THEN MAKE PHARAOH STUBBORN AND HE WILL SET OUT IN PURSUIT OF THEM; AND I SHALL WIN GLORY FOR MYSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF PHARAOH AND HIS WHOLE ARMY, AND THEN THE EGYPTIANS WILL KNOW THAT I AM YAHWEH.' AND THE ISRAELITES DID THIS. 14:17: WHILE I, FOR MY PART, SHALL MAKE THE EGYPTIANS SO STUBBORN THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW THEM, AND I SHALL WIN GLORY FOR MYSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF PHARAOH AND ALL HIS ARMY, CHARIOTS AND HORSEMEN. | image tagged in moses speaks to pharoah | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Paul the Apostle  | ROMANS 9:18 SO THEN HE HAS MERCY ON WHOMEVER HE WILLS, AND HE HARDENS WHOMEVER HE WILLS. | image tagged in paul the apostle | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Many people, even some bible believing Christians, don't like that this in the bible. What are your thoughts?
You posted a meme titled "Moses Speaks to Pharaoh" which is what is happening in the image but the caption is verses where God is judging Pharaoh and the Egyptians so I'm wondering what point or statement are you trying to make.
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Yea they didn't have a stock photo for that scene so I just used this one. However, this verse is a clear indication of entrapment, assuming you accept the Bible as literal record of history. If it isn't literal and there is still a God that partially inspired religion, then by neglecting to correct mistakes he's giving tacit approval to the interpretations of religious leaders.

The implication is that either God doesn't exist or he's a cult leader inspiring other cult leaders to control the masses for his purposes, whatever they are.
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King David Psalms | The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all. 


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Some Christians will say that God judicially hardened Pharaoh's heart as judgement on his wickedness of causing the murder of many Hebrew newborns (Exodus 1:16) and his cruelty and mistreatment of Hebrew slaves, etc. But he could have freed the Hebrew slaves had God not hardened his heart.

Since God is sovereign He can judicially harden the heart of anyone as judgement on their sins. The more biblically consistent answer is that Pharaoh's heart was already hard because of original sin. He did not have the capacity to "change his mind" about his hard heart. He could change his mind about individual choices like letting the Hebrew people go free. Therefore, as God's judgement on Pharaoh and the Egyptians He judiciously hardened Pharaoh's heart from "letting my people go" in order to make the circumstances for the Egyptians worse. Hence "God shows mercy on whom He wills and hardens whom He wills."

You would have to give some support to your argument that God gives "tacit approval to the interpretations of religious leaders," because He doesn't as the bible forbids "private interpretations" in several places, one example is 2 Peter 1:20-21. Saying that God may be a "cult leader inspiring other cult leaders to control the masses..." sounds like the type of diatribe against religion in general that I used to give when I was an unbeliever. There is no substance behind it and it is basically blaming God for the actions of men. Men are responsible for their own sinful actions, if they are following biblical principles (properly interpreted) their actions are not sinful though they will seem egregious to other people (especially non-believers.)

I'm not arguing the existence of God, just giving you the answer to a passage of Scripture you have qualms with.
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If God exists he could have done a much better job communicating honestly & if he was as merciful as religious people claim he would have.
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EXODUS 14:4: I SHALL THEN MAKE PHARAOH STUBBORN AND HE WILL SET OUT IN PURSUIT OF THEM; AND I SHALL WIN GLORY FOR MYSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF PHARAOH AND HIS WHOLE ARMY, AND THEN THE EGYPTIANS WILL KNOW THAT I AM YAHWEH.' AND THE ISRAELITES DID THIS. 14:17: WHILE I, FOR MY PART, SHALL MAKE THE EGYPTIANS SO STUBBORN THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW THEM, AND I SHALL WIN GLORY FOR MYSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF PHARAOH AND ALL HIS ARMY, CHARIOTS AND HORSEMEN.