Liberal logic

It's all the Christians over there stirring up trouble (just to be clear, sarcasm).

Lol, some people actually think that! It's funny how libs want to compare Trump to hitler, but most muslims hate jews as much as hitler AND want to conquer the world and implement sharia law...but talking bad about islam is considered "intolerant" according to most libs...

Check out www.thereligionofpeace.com

It's so insane that the liberal media doesn't cover any of those reports. They try to cover it all up and brainwash all of these liberals into thinking that you HAVE to tolerate everyone and everything. Look at the people on this thread alone defending islam. Pathetic.

No one is saying terrorism doesn't exist. Us liberals (and a few conservatives too) are just trying to say that not all Muslims are violent. If anything, it's conservative propaganda brainwashing people like you into believing that all Muslims are part of ISIS.

I don't believe that all muslims are terrorists. Some are good people. Some just beat up women, like the "peaceful" ones who attend the muslim mosque in my city.

And what city could you possibly live in?

What difference does it make? Either believe me or don't. I don't care. Even if I proved it you would probably defend the muslim for beating the woman. Do you know who informed me about what they're doing? A liberal friend of mine.

"What difference does it make?"

The city you live in will prove if your original story of Muslim women being beat up in your city is true or not. It seems like your city is full of radical Muslims. The demographics and ideologies of people in your location will help prove your story.

I'm not on trial. From what my friend told me the muslims at the church aren't radicals, just conservative muslims or tradionalists. Believe what you will.

It's not just about terrorism, it's about human rights violations. Women living in islamic nations who aren't considered a whole person, who are considered guilty for being raped, who are then punished with acid or beaten and stoned to death. Muslims who don't adhere to sharia aren't considered true muslims according to the quran. Sharia law IS a part of islam. How can you defend it?

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
- Leviticus 18:22

The Sharia law IS in the Quran, but not all Muslims choose to follow it. It's the same in Christianity; Not all Christians are anti-gay, even though it's against their religion.

Islamic nations kill gays. Christian nations don't. Neither do they punish women who get raped by throwing acid on them.

No offense bro, but nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt kill the gays" and Jesus actually stopped a whole entire village from stoning a woman because of adultery as he was giving us the new law; Which is love the sinner hate the sin. We don't want to kill people who sin- Quite the opposite in fact. We want to show them why what they do is wrong and why they should repent of their sins. If said person continues to ignore us, we are told to actually stop preaching to them. The Quran teaches that "all infidels should be killed". Ik not all muslims are bad or evil- Half of my family is muslim, and so far none of them have tried to stab me or blow themselves up.

Where in the New Testament does it say to kill gays?

Uganda is a Christian nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014
Was known as the "kill the gays bill"

We are a Christian Nation and this Pastor says to kill them. How close are we to doing it?

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

"Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished."

1. I want YOU to disprove my statement.

2. I want YOU to prove to me that Islam is a religion of peace.

I'm done talking to you until you can do those two things.

I want YOU to prove "Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished."

Your entire premise is BS.

I'm done talking to you until you can do that 1 thing..

Wrong. America is not a christian nation as the government doesn't base laws on christian laws. Where does the bible say to kill gays? You're grasping at straws, but by all means keep attacking Christianity. You seem unable to prove that Islam is a religion of peace and no matter what you say about the bible or Uganda is going to make Islam a religion of peace.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
-Leviticus 20:13

And PLEASE don't give me some BS about how the OT isn't valid or whatever. YOU are grasping at straws.

More good ones:
God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father's wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)

You still haven't proven that Islam is a religion of peace. Funny how you can quote anything that fits your need, except when it comes to proving that Islam is a peaceful religion (what my meme is about).

Really? Are you ACTUALLY denying that acid attacks happen in Islamic nations? You are so ignorant it's appalling. My friend on fb (who escaped from an Islamic nation and the horrors of sharia law) posts pics of acid attack victims regularly...from Islamic nations. I "suck at proof"? Riight...coming from the guy who can't prove that Islam is a religion of peace and tries to change the subject.

Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished. Seen any christian government leaders doing that lately?

Where was that and who did it? Can you source it?

I found where those "Acid attack" pictures are from and they didn't originate in an Islamic Country nor were they attacked by the government.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/03/indian-acid-attack-victims-share-stories-160309074926141.html

They are from India.

You suck at proof.

You relize hitler was Christian....

That one is not the "government" supporting harming women. It was a jilted lover.
Stuff like that happens here. Like OJ Simpson.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8673476/Iranian-man-who-blinded-student-saved-from-eye-for-an-eye-justice.html

so true

Exactly!

You know a dumb racist made that...they spelled it "moslems"

Actually the crusades were in retaliation for many years of Muslim atrocities in the Middle East.

Exactly...Islam was spreading and commiting savage acts and warfare then just as it today and the Catholic church retaliated to defend humanity. Islam is disturbingly similiar to the Nazis. People that attack Christianity for the Crusades might as well be attacking America for fighting and defeating the Nazis.

the correct response from the Christians would to leave them alone and take there wepons, not attempt to take everything they had and murder there innocent women and children.

Just wanted to respond to this. Think of what you now know of Muslims then think of what would have transpired if the Crusaders wanted to disarm Muslims who were already indiscriminately killing everyone that isn't Muslim? Do you think they would lay down their arms? Some Muslims strap bombs to their children in Martyrdom what makes you think the would surrender?

Islam was trying to conquer the world (just as it is today). If it weren't for the crusades, you wouldn't have the freedom that you enjoy and most likely wouldn't be here on a meme site typing a response to me and misspelling words.

A list of nations that have tried to conquer the world

1. Britain

2. France

3. Germany (nazi party did it they get a free pass)

4. Mongolia

5. Persia

6. Islamic empire

And many more...

Just because they did what every empire in Europe was doing does not make them bad

Really, wanting to conquer the world and kill everyone who doesn't believe in your god doesn't qualify you as bad?

Sharia law doesn't say kill all non-believers sharia law just says that they need to pay taxes to the state, that's what Muhammad did when he originally went through Northern Africa

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

I see that you have gotten your information off of a website called billion bibles, note that they are a Christian website and would be very bias about these things, here is sharia law.

1. The
mosque and state are not separate

2. Jihad
may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms

3. Jihad
may be waged to spread Islam

4. A
captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for
other prisoners, or released freely.

5. Property
can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.

6. Jihad
may be waged to collect spoils.

7. A
second-class submission tax, called the jizyah,
must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living
in Islamic countries.

8 Apostasy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves
Islam (an apostate).

9 Blasphemy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam
or Muhammad

10. Drinkers
and gamblers may be flogged.

11. An
injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting
legal and literal revenge — physical eye for physical eye.

12. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.

13. A
highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.

14.
Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.

15.
Fornicators may be flogged.

16.
Adulterers may be stoned to death

17.
False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.

18. A woman
inherits half what a man does.

19. A
man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by
correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”

20. A
wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex
with him, and then this second man divorces her.

21. A
man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

22. A mature
man may marry a prepubescent girl.

I just grabbed the first one I found not for any particular reason. Even though I studied religions for a couple years I can't remember the 10 Commandments let alone numerous Sharia Laws or 613 Jewish Mitzvahs. Read the Talmud from Judaism you will see similar culture to Muslims. It doesn't specifically state to kill non-believers for no reason but radicals are using the excuse of Jihad to kill anyone they deem an infidel. Even if they are not the aggressor which is forbidden. I can conclude that is the reason non-Muslims believe it is a requirement of Sharia Law.

@NotU sorry no reply button
Yes I'm trying to say that Islam is not a peaceful religion or violent, it's it's fallowers that are violent as well as peaceful

Sharia law is absolutely everything that he mentioned in Islamic countries. I know this for a fact.

The crusades were a response to (As you might call it, Radical Jihadi Violence) such as: Enslaving african men and women; Killing/raping women; Numerous other atrocities. What the christians did was the same as what America did to the Nazis

Completely irrelevant. We're talking about the present here. Who are you going to blame then for the violence in the middle east? The jews?

Are you joking? No, it's not the just radicals. It's the tradionalists (muslims who do everything muhammed instructs them to do in the quran). You are sadly mistaken. Unfortunately, you have been led to believe this because of the media and liberals who preach tolerance of everyone and everything. Funny how Islam isn't tolerant of ANY other religion or way of life. Want to see how women are treated in islamic nations? These are muslim government leaders administering these punishments because it's what the quran instructs them to do. Do some research. I once thought as you do. Check out thereligionofpeace.com

LOL, that's a ridiculous comparison. I was going to debate your comments but after seeing this I see you're not intelligent enough to understand anything. I also see Google "cut and paste" is your go to resource instead of actually being educated in the field.

Explain why you think this, if I have copied and pasted my arguments, find the source, and by the way, tell me your education in the field came from, Reddit, or Wikipedia

Not interested in wasting my time. Your references are real but either pulled from one Google source or individually gathered from Google sources then pasted here. You have no formal degree. It's easy to tell by someone who does. Have a nice day.

So what you are telling me is that you have a degree, if you don't then you are contradicting yourself

But I would be happy to hear your debate

Not interested. It's a never ending debate just like politics. I was raised Roman Catholic in a strict Italian home but always had questions concerning "God". I spent a couple years studying different religions and the internal drive that exists to have a "God" whether one or many. I found what I've been taught is highly influenced by mans own ideals and the truth, as I se it, is completely diluted.

I agree, It is so primitive that people would give there lives and take others and wage wars for something that has been proved not to exist nearly a century ago, i am only debating because there is so much false information on this thread

"God" was never proven to NOT exist nor has it been proven to exist. It's all in perspective on what you want to believe. For me, It's difficult to believe things just happened on their own. As to what is the cause? That remains to be seen, if anything. I prefer to live my life based on the prophesizing of Jesus to an extent because of the message. Ultimate peace can be obtained by following. As for the entity portion, I'm not convinced. It appears to me that the people of that time were looking for a savior because it was tough. There were many prophets then. Hundreds maybe thousands that came and went. Jesus's message rang the loudest, made the most sense and was at the perfect time. I do believe in Evolution and the Big Bang Theory. The facts are indisputable but those subjects still don't address the "why" factor. Why is there a drive to have Gods? It serves absolutely no purpose in the function of life but it's there. If life was just an evolutionary process how did the concept even enter the mind without outside influence? Doesn't make sense. Aliens? Who knows? I'm not a firm believer in Aliens but I can't count them out either. Why would we be the only life in the universe? If you believe in Evolution then there most certainly is some type of life somewhere else.

Yes, I do and said so in a different post. Major in Business Management and Minor in Theology. I usually don't get involved with religious discussion because most people do like you or are spouting what was taught to them by their pastor, priest, rabbi, religious "guru", etc and it is an extreme case of tunnel vision. Until you have studied all of them it's difficult to have an unbiased view. Have to admit, Atheists are the most fun to hear but I do understand their point.

I am an atheist I just hate to see one group of people get treated badly because they fallow one Flying Spaghetti Monster and not the other, and I can't stand most of the factually incorrect statements that this renegade sith guy is saying, honestly you are the only person that has actually made a civil debate with me

That's religion for you. The people who get upset and create violence are exactly the opposite of what any god would want but they are too ignorant and selfish to understand. An easy way to think is for you to make yourself the creator. God supposedly made man in "its" imagine. What type of world would you create? In the times of the Torah, Quran and Book of the Dead (Egyptian, we can discuss that later. Torah copied much of it) men were leaders, chauvinistic, arrogant, violent, etc, etc. That's exactly what you have as a God. What type of God would you think there would be if one was created now? Much more passive, understanding and forgiving. Much of that mindset came from Christianity's teachings but of course human nature perverted it for its own cause.

Exactly, if God made every single man, then why would he create hitler or other evil men, most creationists would say it's because of free will, but why would a loving and caring God see 6,000,000 of his fallowers die of horrible deaths if at any moment he could have stopped it.

I can't reply to your comment below. There is no reply button. Were you ever religious? Parents, friends or relatives tried to force it on you? Your response is typical of someone who has. Unfortunately you're misinformed about the theory of God. "God" never "made" every human. In biblical teachings man was created and given free will to do as they please with rules, rewards and consequences. If God wanted robots to control why would it make humans? People cause their own suffering. It's not a God's fault. Don't blame it. That's the easy way out. Are you Jewish? Just curious because you brought up the Holocaust when there a multitude of mass genocides committed throughout history. I'm also thinking you are young?

No I'm in the teen range, my parents were extremly religious Christians, I was told that God made every man the way he saw fit, I believe that the whole God thing was proven false a while ago but i don't want to shove it down your throat, you have your believes I have mine

So punishing a woman for being raped, chopping off a person's hand for stealing, pouring acid on a woman for refusing a forced marriage, burying a woman up to her neck and stoning her for "adultry", killing non-believers doesn't qualify as barbaric to you? This all HAPPENS under sharia law. I have a friend who escaped from Iran. She experienced these things. Please do some research, just because the mainstream media doesn't cover it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Your parents view is everything that is wrong with Christianity. Each faction makes up their own views on how things were then teach the sheep their opinion and it spreads. I would like to know what proved God doesn't exist? Haven't heard that one yet and I've heard much. It would be great to learn something else for later discussions. If you have them please post your resources.

There is a lot of arguments about it, one of them is evolution, a book to read that completely covers it is "The Origin of the Spicies" by Darwin it covers everything you need to know about the topic, that is just a theory with a lot of evidence but not a fact. One other one is how there have been (to my knowledge) any video or photo evidence of these miracles so many Christians talk about, like when some old man says that he saw a guy with a deformed arm go up and get prayed upon and suddenly he is healed because "God did it", yet there is so much proof of things that would disprove God (i.e. Evolution, the Big Bang) I need solid evidence on how God would exist I do believe that Jesus was born, and that he was a good man, but I don't think that he is the son of a god. Big Bang is one other way to disprove god, some evidence of the Big Bang theory is 1. Red shift, red shift is the Doppler affect kicking in of far away galaxies, and they are tinted red, proving that they are moving away from us. 2. Cosmic background radiation is other evidence of he Big Bang. Cosmic background radiation if you didn't know is a frequency of energy spread throughout the universe, what makes it odd is that it has the same wavelength, suggesting it had one source, the "egg" or whatever it's called, whatever started the Big Bang.

You're truly ignorant if you think what I'm saying factually incorrect. I get my information mostly from someone who is from Iran and experienced it.

I'm criticizing the religion, not the group of people following it for one. Two, no other religion follows a set of barbaric laws like sharia law. Not to mention that the founder of Islam, Muhammed, was a war mongerer, rapist, pedophile, and woman abuser

Sharia law is not barbaric, that would be like calling the United States barbaric for fighting because someone bombed the twin towers

I've read "Origin of Species" and it's a case for evolution which factually exists but the book does not do anything more than show the progression of species through time. It does not show the very beginning or origin of matter. I've seen so many people like you through the years and its sad. Dismissing something because it can't be seen is foolish. I would recommend you do as I but you're so negative I don't think you would get very far. Old scripture is a history lesson for the most part. Much false, much true and it show the culture of that time. I can honestly say you are not an Atheist. You're more Agnostic and very confused due to your upbringing. For me, the miracles, entities, ascension, etc are irrelevant. There is so much more to get from scripture than that. You would probably find peace with Buddhism. It's a wonderful way to find yourself in a shit world. I don't practice anymore but it was a great experience. I wish you peace of mind. It will be difficult with your parents around and their influences.