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12 ups, 1 reply
It's all the Christians over there stirring up trouble (just to be clear, sarcasm).
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16 ups, 2 replies
Lol, some people actually think that! It's funny how libs want to compare Trump to hitler, but most muslims hate jews as much as hitler AND want to conquer the world and implement sharia law...but talking bad about islam is considered "intolerant" according to most libs...
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10 ups, 1 reply
Check out www.thereligionofpeace.com
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7 ups, 1 reply
It's so insane that the liberal media doesn't cover any of those reports. They try to cover it all up and brainwash all of these liberals into thinking that you HAVE to tolerate everyone and everything. Look at the people on this thread alone defending islam. Pathetic.
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6 ups, 3 replies
No one is saying terrorism doesn't exist. Us liberals (and a few conservatives too) are just trying to say that not all Muslims are violent. If anything, it's conservative propaganda brainwashing people like you into believing that all Muslims are part of ISIS.
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6 ups, 1 reply
I don't believe that all muslims are terrorists. Some are good people. Some just beat up women, like the "peaceful" ones who attend the muslim mosque in my city.
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5 ups, 1 reply
And what city could you possibly live in?
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5 ups, 1 reply
What difference does it make? Either believe me or don't. I don't care. Even if I proved it you would probably defend the muslim for beating the woman. Do you know who informed me about what they're doing? A liberal friend of mine.
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6 ups, 1 reply
"What difference does it make?"

The city you live in will prove if your original story of Muslim women being beat up in your city is true or not. It seems like your city is full of radical Muslims. The demographics and ideologies of people in your location will help prove your story.
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6 ups
I'm not on trial. From what my friend told me the muslims at the church aren't radicals, just conservative muslims or tradionalists. Believe what you will.
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5 ups, 2 replies
It's not just about terrorism, it's about human rights violations. Women living in islamic nations who aren't considered a whole person, who are considered guilty for being **ped, who are then punished with acid or beaten and stoned to death. Muslims who don't adhere to sharia aren't considered true muslims according to the quran. Sharia law IS a part of islam. How can you defend it?
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6 ups, 1 reply
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
- Leviticus 18:22

The Sharia law IS in the Quran, but not all Muslims choose to follow it. It's the same in Christianity; Not all Christians are anti-gay, even though it's against their religion.
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6 ups, 2 replies
Islamic nations kill gays. Christian nations don't. Neither do they punish women who get **ped by throwing acid on them.
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6 ups, 2 replies
Some Christians do, and have, killed gays throughout history. The Bible commands it. When a Christian kills a gay person, they are just doing what their Bible commands them.
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6 ups
No offense bro, but nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt kill the gays" and Jesus actually stopped a whole entire village from stoning a woman because of adultery as he was giving us the new law; Which is love the sinner hate the sin. We don't want to kill people who sin- Quite the opposite in fact. We want to show them why what they do is wrong and why they should repent of their sins. If said person continues to ignore us, we are told to actually stop preaching to them. The Quran teaches that "all infidels should be killed". Ik not all muslims are bad or evil- Half of my family is muslim, and so far none of them have tried to stab me or blow themselves up.
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4 ups
Where in the New Testament does it say to kill gays?
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2 ups, 5 replies
Uganda is a Christian nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014
Was known as the "kill the gays bill"

We are a Christian Nation and this Pastor says to kill them. How close are we to doing it?

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates
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2 ups, 1 reply
"Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished."

1. I want YOU to disprove my statement.

2. I want YOU to prove to me that Islam is a religion of peace.

I'm done talking to you until you can do those two things.
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I want YOU to prove "Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished."

Your entire premise is BS.

I'm done talking to you until you can do that 1 thing..
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2 ups, 1 reply
Wrong. America is not a christian nation as the government doesn't base laws on christian laws. Where does the bible say to kill gays? You're grasping at straws, but by all means keep attacking Christianity. You seem unable to prove that Islam is a religion of peace and no matter what you say about the bible or Uganda is going to make Islam a religion of peace.
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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
-Leviticus 20:13

And PLEASE don't give me some BS about how the OT isn't valid or whatever. YOU are grasping at straws.

More good ones:
God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. **pe (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father's wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
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2 ups
You still haven't proven that Islam is a religion of peace. Funny how you can quote anything that fits your need, except when it comes to proving that Islam is a peaceful religion (what my meme is about).
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2 ups
Really? Are you ACTUALLY denying that acid attacks happen in Islamic nations? You are so ignorant it's appalling. My friend on fb (who escaped from an Islamic nation and the horrors of sharia law) posts pics of acid attack victims regularly...from Islamic nations. I "suck at proof"? Riight...coming from the guy who can't prove that Islam is a religion of peace and tries to change the subject.
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2 ups, 2 replies
Islamic governments abuse women, kill non-believers of allah and anyone who violates sharia law is severely punished. Seen any christian government leaders doing that lately?
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Where was that and who did it? Can you source it?

I found where those "Acid attack" pictures are from and they didn't originate in an Islamic Country nor were they attacked by the government.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/03/indian-acid-attack-victims-share-stories-160309074926141.html

They are from India.

You suck at proof.
0 ups
You relize hitler was Christian....
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That one is not the "government" supporting harming women. It was a jilted lover.
Stuff like that happens here. Like OJ Simpson.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8673476/Iranian-man-who-blinded-student-saved-from-eye-for-an-eye-justice.html
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9 ups
so true
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8 ups, 1 reply
Exactly!
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You know a dumb racist made that...they spelled it "moslems"
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5 ups, 1 reply
Actually the crusades were in retaliation for many years of Muslim atrocities in the Middle East.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Exactly...Islam was spreading and commiting savage acts and warfare then just as it today and the Catholic church retaliated to defend humanity. Islam is disturbingly similiar to the Nazis. People that attack Christianity for the Crusades might as well be attacking America for fighting and defeating the Nazis.
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1 up, 2 replies
the correct response from the Christians would to leave them alone and take there wepons, not attempt to take everything they had and murder there innocent women and children.
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Just wanted to respond to this. Think of what you now know of Muslims then think of what would have transpired if the Crusaders wanted to disarm Muslims who were already indiscriminately killing everyone that isn't Muslim? Do you think they would lay down their arms? Some Muslims strap bombs to their children in Martyrdom what makes you think the would surrender?
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0 ups, 1 reply
Islam was trying to conquer the world (just as it is today). If it weren't for the crusades, you wouldn't have the freedom that you enjoy and most likely wouldn't be here on a meme site typing a response to me and misspelling words.
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1 up, 1 reply
A list of nations that have tried to conquer the world

1. Britain

2. France

3. Germany (nazi party did it they get a free pass)

4. Mongolia

5. Persia

6. Islamic empire

And many more...

Just because they did what every empire in Europe was doing does not make them bad
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0 ups, 1 reply
Really, wanting to conquer the world and kill everyone who doesn't believe in your god doesn't qualify you as bad?
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0 ups, 1 reply
Sharia law doesn't say kill all non-believers sharia law just says that they need to pay taxes to the state, that's what Muhammad did when he originally went through Northern Africa
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According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove **pe against a woman.
• A woman who has been **ped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.
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I see that you have gotten your information off of a website called billion bibles, note that they are a Christian website and would be very bias about these things, here is sharia law.

1. The
mosque and state are not separate

2. Jihad
may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms

3. Jihad
may be waged to spread Islam

4. A
captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for
other prisoners, or released freely.

5. Property
can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.

6. Jihad
may be waged to collect spoils.

7. A
second-class submission tax, called the jizyah,
must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living
in Islamic countries.

8 Apostasy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves
Islam (an apostate).

9 Blasphemy
laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam
or Muhammad

10. Drinkers
and gamblers may be flogged.

11. An
injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting
legal and literal revenge — physical eye for physical eye.

12. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.

13. A
highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.

14.
Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.

15.
Fornicators may be flogged.

16.
Adulterers may be stoned to death

17.
False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.

18. A woman
inherits half what a man does.

19. A
man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by
correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”

20. A
wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex
with him, and then this second man divorces her.

21. A
man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

22. A mature
man may marry a prepubescent girl.
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I just grabbed the first one I found not for any particular reason. Even though I studied religions for a couple years I can't remember the 10 Commandments let alone numerous Sharia Laws or 613 Jewish Mitzvahs. Read the Talmud from Judaism you will see similar culture to Muslims. It doesn't specifically state to kill non-believers for no reason but radicals are using the excuse of Jihad to kill anyone they deem an infidel. Even if they are not the aggressor which is forbidden. I can conclude that is the reason non-Muslims believe it is a requirement of Sharia Law.
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@NotU sorry no reply button
Yes I'm trying to say that Islam is not a peaceful religion or violent, it's it's fallowers that are violent as well as peaceful
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Sharia law is absolutely everything that he mentioned in Islamic countries. I know this for a fact.
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4 ups
The crusades were a response to (As you might call it, Radical Jihadi Violence) such as: Enslaving african men and women; Killing/raping women; Numerous other atrocities. What the christians did was the same as what America did to the Nazis
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6 ups
Completely irrelevant. We're talking about the present here. Who are you going to blame then for the violence in the middle east? The jews?
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4 ups, 1 reply
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2 ups, 1 reply
Are you joking? No, it's not the just radicals. It's the tradionalists (muslims who do everything muhammed instructs them to do in the quran). You are sadly mistaken. Unfortunately, you have been led to believe this because of the media and liberals who preach tolerance of everyone and everything. Funny how Islam isn't tolerant of ANY other religion or way of life. Want to see how women are treated in islamic nations? These are muslim government leaders administering these punishments because it's what the quran instructs them to do. Do some research. I once thought as you do. Check out thereligionofpeace.com
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1 up, 1 reply
LOL, that's a ridiculous comparison. I was going to debate your comments but after seeing this I see you're not intelligent enough to understand anything. I also see Google "cut and paste" is your go to resource instead of actually being educated in the field.
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1 up, 1 reply
Explain why you think this, if I have copied and pasted my arguments, find the source, and by the way, tell me your education in the field came from, Reddit, or Wikipedia
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1 up, 1 reply
Not interested in wasting my time. Your references are real but either pulled from one Google source or individually gathered from Google sources then pasted here. You have no formal degree. It's easy to tell by someone who does. Have a nice day.
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1 up, 2 replies
So what you are telling me is that you have a degree, if you don't then you are contradicting yourself
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1 up, 1 reply
But I would be happy to hear your debate
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0 ups, 1 reply
Not interested. It's a never ending debate just like politics. I was raised Roman Catholic in a strict Italian home but always had questions concerning "God". I spent a couple years studying different religions and the internal drive that exists to have a "God" whether one or many. I found what I've been taught is highly influenced by mans own ideals and the truth, as I se it, is completely diluted.
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0 ups, 1 reply
I agree, It is so primitive that people would give there lives and take others and wage wars for something that has been proved not to exist nearly a century ago, i am only debating because there is so much false information on this thread
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"God" was never proven to NOT exist nor has it been proven to exist. It's all in perspective on what you want to believe. For me, It's difficult to believe things just happened on their own. As to what is the cause? That remains to be seen, if anything. I prefer to live my life based on the prophesizing of Jesus to an extent because of the message. Ultimate peace can be obtained by following. As for the entity portion, I'm not convinced. It appears to me that the people of that time were looking for a savior because it was tough. There were many prophets then. Hundreds maybe thousands that came and went. Jesus's message rang the loudest, made the most sense and was at the perfect time. I do believe in Evolution and the Big Bang Theory. The facts are indisputable but those subjects still don't address the "why" factor. Why is there a drive to have Gods? It serves absolutely no purpose in the function of life but it's there. If life was just an evolutionary process how did the concept even enter the mind without outside influence? Doesn't make sense. Aliens? Who knows? I'm not a firm believer in Aliens but I can't count them out either. Why would we be the only life in the universe? If you believe in Evolution then there most certainly is some type of life somewhere else.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Yes, I do and said so in a different post. Major in Business Management and Minor in Theology. I usually don't get involved with religious discussion because most people do like you or are spouting what was taught to them by their pastor, priest, rabbi, religious "guru", etc and it is an extreme case of tunnel vision. Until you have studied all of them it's difficult to have an unbiased view. Have to admit, Atheists are the most fun to hear but I do understand their point.
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1 up, 7 replies
I am an atheist I just hate to see one group of people get treated badly because they fallow one Flying Spaghetti Monster and not the other, and I can't stand most of the factually incorrect statements that this renegade sith guy is saying, honestly you are the only person that has actually made a civil debate with me
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That's religion for you. The people who get upset and create violence are exactly the opposite of what any god would want but they are too ignorant and selfish to understand. An easy way to think is for you to make yourself the creator. God supposedly made man in "its" imagine. What type of world would you create? In the times of the Torah, Quran and Book of the Dead (Egyptian, we can discuss that later. Torah copied much of it) men were leaders, chauvinistic, arrogant, violent, etc, etc. That's exactly what you have as a God. What type of God would you think there would be if one was created now? Much more passive, understanding and forgiving. Much of that mindset came from Christianity's teachings but of course human nature perverted it for its own cause.
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Exactly, if God made every single man, then why would he create hitler or other evil men, most creationists would say it's because of free will, but why would a loving and caring God see 6,000,000 of his fallowers die of horrible deaths if at any moment he could have stopped it.
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I can't reply to your comment below. There is no reply button. Were you ever religious? Parents, friends or relatives tried to force it on you? Your response is typical of someone who has. Unfortunately you're misinformed about the theory of God. "God" never "made" every human. In biblical teachings man was created and given free will to do as they please with rules, rewards and consequences. If God wanted robots to control why would it make humans? People cause their own suffering. It's not a God's fault. Don't blame it. That's the easy way out. Are you Jewish? Just curious because you brought up the Holocaust when there a multitude of mass genocides committed throughout history. I'm also thinking you are young?
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No I'm in the teen range, my parents were extremly religious Christians, I was told that God made every man the way he saw fit, I believe that the whole God thing was proven false a while ago but i don't want to shove it down your throat, you have your believes I have mine
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So punishing a woman for being **ped, chopping off a person's hand for stealing, pouring acid on a woman for refusing a forced marriage, burying a woman up to her neck and stoning her for "adultry", killing non-believers doesn't qualify as barbaric to you? This all HAPPENS under sharia law. I have a friend who escaped from Iran. She experienced these things. Please do some research, just because the mainstream media doesn't cover it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Your parents view is everything that is wrong with Christianity. Each faction makes up their own views on how things were then teach the sheep their opinion and it spreads. I would like to know what proved God doesn't exist? Haven't heard that one yet and I've heard much. It would be great to learn something else for later discussions. If you have them please post your resources.
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There is a lot of arguments about it, one of them is evolution, a book to read that completely covers it is "The Origin of the Spicies" by Darwin it covers everything you need to know about the topic, that is just a theory with a lot of evidence but not a fact. One other one is how there have been (to my knowledge) any video or photo evidence of these miracles so many Christians talk about, like when some old man says that he saw a guy with a deformed arm go up and get prayed upon and suddenly he is healed because "God did it", yet there is so much proof of things that would disprove God (i.e. Evolution, the Big Bang) I need solid evidence on how God would exist I do believe that Jesus was born, and that he was a good man, but I don't think that he is the son of a god. Big Bang is one other way to disprove god, some evidence of the Big Bang theory is 1. Red shift, red shift is the Doppler affect kicking in of far away galaxies, and they are tinted red, proving that they are moving away from us. 2. Cosmic background radiation is other evidence of he Big Bang. Cosmic background radiation if you didn't know is a frequency of energy spread throughout the universe, what makes it odd is that it has the same wavelength, suggesting it had one source, the "egg" or whatever it's called, whatever started the Big Bang.
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You're truly ignorant if you think what I'm saying factually incorrect. I get my information mostly from someone who is from Iran and experienced it.
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I'm criticizing the religion, not the group of people following it for one. Two, no other religion follows a set of barbaric laws like sharia law. Not to mention that the founder of Islam, Muhammed, was a war mongerer, rapist, pedophile, and woman abuser
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Sharia law is not barbaric, that would be like calling the United States barbaric for fighting because someone bombed the twin towers
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I've read "Origin of Species" and it's a case for evolution which factually exists but the book does not do anything more than show the progression of species through time. It does not show the very beginning or origin of matter. I've seen so many people like you through the years and its sad. Dismissing something because it can't be seen is foolish. I would recommend you do as I but you're so negative I don't think you would get very far. Old scripture is a history lesson for the most part. Much false, much true and it show the culture of that time. I can honestly say you are not an Atheist. You're more Agnostic and very confused due to your upbringing. For me, the miracles, entities, ascension, etc are irrelevant. There is so much more to get from scripture than that. You would probably find peace with Buddhism. It's a wonderful way to find yourself in a shit world. I don't practice anymore but it was a great experience. I wish you peace of mind. It will be difficult with your parents around and their influences.
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9 ups, 1 reply
What's funny is that you probably actually think you're being clever here. Actually a friend of a friend in my city who had converted to islam to marry her muslim boyfriend was assaulted by him because she removed her head scarf in public. Shall we talk about the millions of women living under sharia law in the middle east and how they're treated like property and not even considered a full person person? Or perhaps you'd like to discuss the severe punishments they are given for "breaking the law"? By "breaking the law", I mean refusing to marry their selected husband, getting **ped ( yes a woman is considered guilty for being **PED) going out in public without an escort, ect.
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7 ups, 4 replies
I will answer your question, but I will first point out that you didn't answer mine. Those examples you gave were not of Muslims attacking you, renegade_sith, personally. They were Muslims attacking other people.

To answer your question, there probably has never been peace in the Middle East, and there probably never will be. But that's due to human nature. Muslims do bear some of the blame, but not 100% of it. Are you implying that before Islam came about, there was peace and harmony in the Middle East? Christians, Jews, and people of other religions always have, and always will be fighting with each other (except for a few notable non-violent groups such as Jainism, Quakers, etc). I don't deny that many Muslims have done horrible, despicable things in the past and in the present. But what I do deny is that Muslims as a whole are that way. And it bothers me when some Christians get on their moral high horse, when their history is far from squeaky-clean. Literally just a week or two ago I heard about a Christian woman who, on appeal, was found not guilty of making a bomb threat against an abortion provider, simply because of how intentionally non-specific she was. Whenever I hear a news story about an attack at an abortion clinic, my first thought isn't Muslims; it's Christians. Because to my knowledge, no Muslim has ever shot up or blown up an abortion clinic, but numerous Christians have.
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7 ups, 2 replies
Well said!
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6 ups, 2 replies
A religion that condones killing non-believers of allah and treating women like shit. If you want to defend islam so much, go live in an islamic nation. Have fun!
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6 ups, 3 replies
I'm atheist and Indonesian. Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims IN THE WORLD. I've lived there for a year and a half, and I still go back there every summer with my christian parents and my christian sister. The Sharia law is not enforced by the government, western culture thrives, and the country is pro-choice. Muslims live in the same neighborhood as Christians, churches (and other places of worship in other religions) are not destroyed, women can wear bikinis, and shootings don't happen almost everyday, unlike America.

I'm not saying ALL Muslims are peaceful. But you really shouldn't say all Muslims are dangerous.
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Nobody is saying all muslims are bad/evil. The religion they follow is not at all peaceful, kind, or loving. That's not to say all muslims condone those practices taught by the Quran: But those individuals are not TRUE muslims- They are the equivalent of a "Sunday Christian" so to speak.
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This is one of the primary reasons for unrest in the mid east. Infighting...conservative muslims attacking moderate muslims for not being real muslims. This is what makes Islam so dangerous. The fact that they're willing to butcher and **pe their OWN people. Liberals need to wake up before it's too late. Luckilly there are leaders like Trump who are trying to save the world from Islam.
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Oooohhhh your a trump supporter, that makes sense now, I didn't want to make fun of you because I though you were mentally retarded.

Let's get this strait

All religions have there bad sides like look at Christianity, they bomb abortion clinics, and invaded the Muslims because they were trying to Establish an empire. If Christians followed everything in the bible, then divorce wouldn't be allowed and children who disrespect there elders would be stoned to death.

Judaism has its flaws too,milked look at what happened in Israel when they invaded the palistines and just said that they don't deserve to have land anymore

Islam also has its bad sides, like look at Isis, they fallow the Quran by the exact words, so they do terrible things, but just because they do it does not mean that everyone in the religion is like that. Look at Indonesia, the largest population of Muslims in the world, tell me how many acts of terrorism or church shootings you find there... 0 it's like looking at a classroom of 30 students and one of them swerves in class, if the teacher punished all of them, that wouldn't be fair, that is basically what you are doing there.

So yeah, don't paint with a broad paintbrush, or you look like a dumb-ass on the Internet.
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"Why don't you actually read sharia law, it's says nothing about abusing women or killing non believers, jihad actually means "struggle in the way of God" if you still think it is a violent religion give me some evidence"

I get MY information from someone who lived in an Islamic nation under sharia law and escaped from it. Evidence? You can obtain that from in this thread in you please. You can start with reading BobParker's comments on the quran. Why can't you PROVE to me that Islam is a religion of peace?

"trump supporters are usualy racist bigots or people who don't know what to do with there vote"

Looks like you're painting with a broad brush there...
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Learn how to spell before you call someone mentally retarded.

I'm not painting with a broad brush. Islam, at it's core is NOT a religion of peace. Indonesia ISN'T an Islamic nation. We've already been over this in the thread. Did you know that conservative muslims don't accept moderate muslims (such as the ones in Indonesia) as real muslims? They **pe, butcher and kill their own kind in Islamic nations in the middle east. This is one reason why there is so much unrest there. Who do you want to blame? The Jews? Funny how America has a large Jewish population and they don't try to go to war with other Americans.

How about you try to PROVE to me that Islam is a religion of peace if you disagree with the premise of my meme. Try harder troll.
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Ok just because Indonesia is not officialy a Muslim country dosent mean that there are no Muslims in it, the cauntry is mostly Muslims and they are extremly peaceful. Would you like me to present some more evidence?
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Do you know anyone personally who have experienced the horrors of sharia law? I do, and that person happens to be one of my biggest sources of information of Islam.

Yes, I am a Trump supporter. Aren't you (as a liberal) supposed to be tolerant of everyone? That includes Trump supporters. By your logic, criticizing me for being a Trump supporter makes you a hypocrite.
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I'm not a liberal, i don't blindly fallow one party, I think that if you show compassion to someone else, you should get compassion back, trump supporters are usualy racist bigots or people who don't know what to do with there vote
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"Ok just because Indonesia is not officialy a Muslim country dosent mean that there are no Muslims in it, the cauntry is mostly Muslims and they are extremly peaceful. Would you like me to present some more evidence?"

Ugh, we've already been over this in the thread. Peaceful muslims in Indonesia or wherever aren't proof that ISLAM, at it's CORE is a peaceful religion. They choose not to participate in all the quran instructs them to do and do not follow sharia law. The countries who are ran by ISLAMIC governments do things "by the book", including their strict use of sharia law. In these Islamic countries, women are abused and people are KILLED for religious reasons. Even the more moderate muslims who try to be peaceful and tolerant of other religions (something the quran says NOT to do) are killed by their own kind.

How is Islam a religion of peace if these things happen? How is Islam a religion of peace if under sharia law, women who get **ped are convicted as guilty by the Islamic government leaders and sentenced to be attacked with acid, or whipped, or stoned, all because they were a victim of being **PED. How is Islam a religion of peace if Muhammed teaches non-believers of allah should be killed and that you will actually be rewarded for doing so. Why did a muslim in my city beat up his girlfriend (who was converting to Islam) for removing her head scarf if Islam is a religion of peace?
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Why don't you actually read sharia law, it's says nothing about abusing women or killing non believers, jihad actually means "struggle in the way of God" if you still think it is a violent religion give me some evidence
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Never said ALL muslims are dangerous. Not once. Islam isn't a religion of peace though. Nothing you say is going to make it one.
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Have you ever read the Old Testament? Killing non-believers and treating women like shit are both condoned.
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The Torah is not Christianity. Keep in mind "who" created Islam and Judaism. Self serving, chauvinistic men who made things up as they went along. I'm not religious but history would have been better served had the word of Jesus separated itself from the Torah in all ways but one God. There would be absolutely no violence if everyone followed the actual word of Christ and not what they felt is attributed to him. Leave it to man to destroy anything good. It's human nature.
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Lol, here we go. Answer me this then. How come muslims beat and throw acid on women and stone women to death for the "crime" of being **ped in islamic nations today who are following the quran and adhering to sharia law, while christians who follow the bible do none of these things in civilized countries?
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They beat women and throw acid on them because they're barbaric savages. Yes, I do see your point that they are doing that because of sharia law and the Koran. But my point earlier still stands. Many Muslims would never do anything of the sort, and many non-Muslims are just as violent.

"Christians who follow the Bible do none of these things in civilized countries" Did you not see what I just said about killing abortion providers and blowing up clinics? Christians in the US have done horrible things in the name of their religion as well.
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The difference is that the Bible isn't telling anyone to blow up an abortion clinic. They're deranged lunatics, misguided and misinterpreting the Bible to justify their own sick beliefs. While as the abuse of women in Islamic nations that I'm referring to is considered just and appropriate and justified as punishments for breaking Sharia Law by Islamic government leaders adhering to the Quran.
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"They beat women and throw acid on them because they are barbaric savages."
A reasonable extrapolation from that statement is that we should not accept refugees from those areas because, their culture is at its core "savage" and incomparable with our own (regardless of Islam). And this is why certain countries are having issues. Even though/if refugees aren't terrorists, they come from a barbaric culture which is violent and misogynistic.
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It's Arab culture that does that, not Islam itself, the word Islam literally translates to the word "peace"
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Indonesia...
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Care to discuss the **pe epidemic spreading through Europe caused by muslims?
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more people get **ped in the United States... Does that mean that the United States must be wiped off the face of the earth
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Do women in America get punished for being **ped like the women in Islamic nations? They are brutally punished by Islamic law for the "crime" of being **ped with acid attacks, whippings and are stoned to death. Ever heard of sharia law? It's what they're taught to do in the quran. This is why Islam is not compatible with modern society.
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Sharia law is not where the woman abuse comes from, it's Arab traditions, not sharia law
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Lol, not an islamic nation. It's not called the islamic republic of Indonesia. Besides, there aren't any jews there for them to kill.
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1.) If Indonesia is not an Islamic nation, why do they have the highest population of Muslims?

2.) There's a ton of Christians, Buddhist and a whole bunch more of non-Allah believers. A true radical Muslim would hate ALL non-Muslims, not just Jews.
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"Being the country that contains the largest Muslim population in the world, Islamic principles do play an important role in the nation's political decision making, but Indonesia is not a Muslim or Islamic state."

http://www.indonesia-investments.com/culture/politics/general-political-outline/item385

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

See? NOT an islamic nation.
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I was taking the term 'Islamic Nation' literally; a nation that is mostly Islam.

(I am replying here b/c it won't let me reply to your other comment about Indonesia being irrelevant)
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But it's not an islamic nation or state if the government isn't islamic run...
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But it's still relevant, is it not? The original 'meme' was about Muslims in general, not Islamic countries
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The original meme was NOT about specific muslims. It's about islam and islamic run governments who abuse women and kill people for religious reasons. THAT is why I say islam is not a religion of peace. Some muslims can practice islam in a peaceful way and be tolerant of other religions. They're also not considered real muslims by the traditional muslims.
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Islamic Nation: A nation whose population is mostly Muslim.
If Indonesia is not an Islamic nation. what is it?
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I guess the USA is a Christian nation then?
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Not an islamic nation. Like I said, it's not called "the islamic republic of indonesia" for a reason. You clearly don't understand what an islamic state is. That's why bringing indonesia into this was completely irrelevant. The government is a democratic (somewhat) for one. The stats could be skewed since people there HAVE to select a religion. The government there is not an islamic run government or there would be just as many problems there as in the middle east. My guess is that they were trying to avoid EXACTLY that. Which furthers my point that islam at it's core, is not a religion of peace.
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If the country is not ruled by Muslim leaders and follow Muslim law it is not a Muslim nation. The U.S. is called a "Christian" nation because it was founded on Christian principles with Christian leaders.
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Yes I got these numbers from Wikipedia, who in turn got them from an Indonesian census
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I'm aware of the numbers.

"Being the country that contains the largest Muslim population in the world, Islamic principles do play an important role in the nation's political decision making, but Indonesia is not a Muslim or Islamic state."

http://www.indonesia-investments.com/culture/politics/general-political-outline/item385

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

See? NOT an islamic nation.
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Saudi Arabia is not called the Islamic republic of Arabia, but it is still a Muslims m country
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Turkey and Indonesia aren't perfect, but they aren't as bad as other Muslim countries. Besides, what do you consider "peaceful"? By some standards, South Central is peaceful.
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Turkey
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The difference is Christianity does not instruct or condone the killing of anyone even if they are sinners where as Islam says it's your duty and will be rewarded.
people who commit violence in any manner are not true Christians. You're mixing the wording completely to suit your needs.
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Okay, for one, I was never personally molested by a child molester. Does that mean I/we should always assume that child molestation doesn't exist?
Two; 'Christians' have shot up abortion clinics, CONTRARY TO BIBLICAL LAW! "Do not murder" (10 commandments) MUSLIMS blew up a BUILDING follwing the QURAN and it's teachings!

Smh.
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Great point. Muhammed preaches in the Quran that it's not only allowed to kill non-believers of Allah, but that you will be rewarded. The Bible as you pointed out teaches that killing is a sin, no matter who it is. Also, that part is in the OT, which people defending Islam love to attack. Not being a "religious" person myself, what I take from the Bible most are the teachings of Jesus. Muhammed was a savage warlord who treated women like property. Jesus was a compassionate person who tried to teach peace and understanding of one another and forgiveness, and how to treat one another with respect. It blows my mind that anyone could even try defend Islam.
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Your question is completely irrelevant. You also seem to want to ignore the abuse of women in islamic nations. How convenient, skipping over the parts that make your argument seem foolish. I provided you an example of someone I know who was attacked by a muslim. How is that not sufficient? Have I been physically attacked by a muslim? No, I don't live in the middle east. I'm also 6'4'', 220 lbs so not too many people try to "attack" me. It's funny that most non-islamic countries are at peace while the islamic ones in the middle east aren't. You're the one on a high horse here. Did I attack EVERY muslim in my meme? No. Do I think every muslim is evil? No. However, their religion is not one of peace and tolerance as the liberal media would have you believe. Do some research on the quran and sharia law. Look at how European countries are having problems with the syrian refugees and the **pe epidemic spreading through Europe caused by muslims. They act this way because they are taught in the quran that women are considered lower life forms. They are also taught that anyone who doesn't believe in allah doesn't deserve to live. Btw, I'm not a christian. Islam wants to eliminate EVERYONE who doesn't believe in allah. The muslim church in my city has been causing problems. The muslim I told you about who assaulted his girlfriend is a member of that church and it's where she went to convert. They are following sharia law here in America thinking they can get away with beating up women and treating them like shit. I'm not going to stand for it. Sorry that you will.
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I don't ignore the abuse of women in Islamic nations. I despise it, as I despise mistreatment of women anywhere. Your example wasn't sufficient because it is not you in the example. I see scant difference between saying Islam is not a religion of peace and saying that all Muslims are violent. Some Muslims are violent and brutal, others would never ever hurt anyone. Yet both are Muslims. And again, I go back to my earlier statement about the view of women in the Bible. I meant to say in my earlier comment that I don't know if you are a Christian or not. I forgot to include that, and I apologize. "Islam wants to eliminate EVERYONE who doesn't believe in allah" Islam isn't one cohesive worldview. Some do, some don't. If a Muslim thinks they can get away with beating up women in the US, they are sadly mistaken. So no, I don't stand for beating women. I just oppose painting Muslims with a broad brush.
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So you're going to ignore my example simply because I wasn't the woman who was beaten up. Nice logic there bud.... I agree that not all muslims are bad people. BUT, did you know that conservative muslims who adhere to the sharia and the quran DESPISE the muslims that don't and consider them enemies to allah as well as any other religion or athiests?
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I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that since you weren't the one who was personally attacked, that was not a valid example.

And yes, I agree with you that radical conservative Muslims who hold to sharia law despise moderate and liberal Muslims who don't.
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I've never been personally attacked by a nazi and assuming you haven't either, does that mean they didn't exist or that their crimes don't matter? I'm not understanding your point. Quite frankly, it seems like you're using circular tactics and just trying to argue for the sake of arguing at this point bordering on the side of "trollish" behavior.
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Trolls are anyone that don't bow to you and agree?

You're a troll.
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Not at all. He's insisting that my points about Islam aren't legitimate because I haven't been personally attacked by one. Thanks for stopping by my meme to comment!
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Idk. When was the last time they cut off someone's head? It was then.
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When was the Last time the US wasn't at war somewhere?
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Little history lesson for you here bud, there has been war in the middle east for two thousand years, most of which is caused by infighting (conservative muslims against moderate muslims), and muslims who constantly attack Jews. While there are of course murders in America, Americans aren't at war with one another. You know why? Because America isn't an Islamic country. Go research Islam and the Quran and you'll understand (hopefully).
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http://sufism.org/foundations/hadith/peacehadith-2

Read those quotes.
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Or perhaps you'd like to see how women are treated in islamic nations?
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That's how a MAN treats a woman in a country that happens to be Islamic/Muslim majority. Are all women treated that way?

We have women chained up, **ped and killed in houses in this (Christian) country by men that go to church on Sundays. Do you blame Jesus?
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Those are punishments handed out my muslim leaders in islamic nations. Even if what you said is true, did Jesus tell them to do that? We've already been over this in the thread when someone said a christian bombed an abortion clinic. It's the act of a deranged psycho. The difference is that the quran actually TELLS people to act this way, and says they will be rewarded.
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Read the quran. You'll find tons of "tolerant" scriptures such as these
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Read the bible. there are ones just as good there. The actions are of the person not the book they read.
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Funny how I don't see women being treated that way by christians. I'm not going down this road with you. Jesus never taught it was okay to **pe and kill people. Muhammed did. Read BobParker's comments directly below. He already covered this.
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Nah- you guys are just silly. It's not worth the effort. Therer are no quotes you can find that verify ANY of your claims. Have fun with your hate-filled, fearful life. Hopefully a muslim doctor never needs to save it.
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You sir are truly ignorant. We aren't hate-filled fearful people. We just aren't living in the matrix like you. Funny how i just provided you a meme with 10 quotes alone on how to treat women, but you say "there are no quotes you can find". Look up the **pe epidemic spreading through Europe caused by...muslims.

Do I hate all muslims? No. I'm criticizing ISLAM. The peaceful muslims aren't even considered "real muslims" by their own kind. What does that tell you. Please do some research.
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http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm

1. In the Bible's book of Deuteronomy it says that if a man marries a woman and then decides that he hates her, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they married. At that point her father must prove she was a virgin. (How is not explained.) If he can't, then the girl is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep.

2. If you see a pretty woman among your captives and would like her for a wife, then bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can simply "let her go." (Deuteronomy)

3. If a betrothed virgin is **ped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." (Deuteronomy)

4. In the book of Esther the king apparently decrees a sex contest among young virgin women to see who can best please him. (There is debate on how.) He eventually chooses Esther. However, since women are viewed as inherently dirty, Esther must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. (Esther)

5. Paul points out in New Testament Romans that "the natural use" of women is to provide men with sex. (Romans)

6. Heaven is to be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women. (RE 14:1-4) [One wonders how this squares with God's command to, "Be fruitful and multiply...(Genesis )]

7. A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's wife: "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine (wife); let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The women were subsequently ravished and killed. (JG))

8. In Exod. we see that it is permissible to sell one's daughter (but apparently not one's son) into slavery..

9. According to St. Jerome, "Nothing is so unclean as a woman in her periods; what she touches she causes to be unclean." In Leviticus it states, "If a woman conceives and bears a male child, she shall be ceremonially unclean seven days...if she bears a female child she shall be unclean two weeks...."

10. "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died." (Judges)

...and many more
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Another good one:
When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. "And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 1 Timothy 2:11-12
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Attack Christianity and the Bible all you want, but how does anything you're saying PROVE that Islam is a religion of peace?
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How does what YOU say prove Islam isn't. There have been radicals THROUGHOUT HISTOR. So say Islam isn't at its core peaceful when the Quran doesn't condone anything that Isis or any other terrorist has done, but you use instances of violence to prove that Islam isn't peaceful but when instances of peace come up you discredit it saying that doesn't make it peaceful. If INTANCES OF PEACE DONT MAKE IT PEACEFUL, THEN HOW DO INTANCES OF VIOLENCE MAKE IT VIOLENT?
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Im not attacking religion I'm attacking within the religion. Ever heard of Jim jones, the Mormon **pe scandals, and the proven pedophiles within prominent catholic congregations? AND THIS IS MODERN CIVILIZATION.
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Have you ever read the quran? It is ONE single account, completely the teachings of ONE person, muhammed. The bible was written by multiple people. Jesus didn't write the bible as muhammed "wrote" the quran ( he actually dictated to a writer his teachings as he couldn't read or write). How come christian leaders don't use those verses you referenced to justify how to punish women?
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You do realize that it's called the "old testament" for a reason don't you? And that those are accounts of what life was like back in ancient times? Jesus never preached any of thos things. Muhammed did though. Christian leaders don't sentence women who are **ped to have acid thrown on them and to be whipped or stoned to death. Islamic leaders do though (in 2016).
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So you can pick and choose from the Quran but not the bible. Hypocritical much?
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@StraightWhiteMale

When was the last time they cut your head off?

I'm reposting this as a non-direct reply because my replies to you keep mysteriously disappearing
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You don't have to be a victim of a crime to be against it. I could use your same argument to tell black kids "when was the last time someone burned a cross in your front yard?" You'd find that horribly offensive (and should).

You might investigate the Muslim principle of abrogation. The Quran is unique in accepting a doctrine of abrogation in which later pronouncements of the Prophet declare null and void his earlier pronouncements. Many jurists acknowledge the differences in verses but accept that latter passages trump earlier ones and divide the Quran into passages by Muhammad in Mecca when his band followers was weak and more open to compromise, and those revealed in Medina, where Muhammad's strength grew ... as did his propensity to conquer, take land, and seize property and wives.

Classical scholars argue that studying the Quran without understanding the doctrine of abrogation is "deficient."

So since most Muslim scholars adhere to the principle of abrogation, most are more inclined to excuse the warlike nature of the jihadists ... or at the very least, they outright FAIL to collectively condemn those acts of terror.

The problem with Islam is in its founding and how/why it was developed. Before this devolves into the predictable attacks on the Old Testament, this meme wasn't about the Old Testament and the argument "Old Testament Hebrews did something similar" is somewhat childish don't you think? -- BUT THEY DID IT TOO!!!!
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I upvoted your comment and appreciate your respectful reply. I can tell from reading it that you've done a good job of studying Islam.

I would have to disagree that a comparison to OT atrocities is "childish". One can argue whether or not, and to what degree, such a comparison is accurate and relevant of course. But you're right in that this meme wasn't about the OT.
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I always upvote yours because you don't resort to personal attacks or tell people they're idiots, and seem like a genuinely nice person.

Just remember, it's far easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth that Islam is different ... in a bad way that is in direct opposition to modern society.

Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11, 2001. Going back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh started the mass slaughter of Hindus then continuing through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and on to the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million according to many estimates.

In the last ten years, there have been *maybe* a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of ALL other faiths combined. When such a small handful of loners act in isolation, it can legitimately be chalked up to mental illness or (at best) genuine misunderstanding.

By contrast, Islamic terror is organized and methodical. Islamist groups span the globe with tens of thousands of dedicated members, despite intensely targeted counter-measures, and supporters numbering in the tens of millions. They are open about their religious goals (the spread of radical Islam) and they kill in the name of their god (shouting Allah Akbar as they kill, behead, or explode suicide vests) each and every day of the year. Multiple verses in the Quran arguably support them and there are none who will even debate them within their own religion for fear of retribution … remember Salman Rushdie?

No other religion is doing this. So while some Muslims may pretend that other religions are just as prone to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, reality says otherwise.

Each year, thousands of Christian homes and churches are torched or bombed by Muslim mobs, and hundreds of Christians, including dozens of priests, pastors, nuns and other church workers are murdered at the hands of Islamic extremists. Yet, there is little if any violent retaliation from religious Christians to the discrimination, kidnapping, **pe, torture, mutilation and murder foisted upon them. Muslim clerics in the West do not fear for their safety as do their Christian counterparts. And 70% of the world's refugees are Muslims - usually seeking to live in Christian-based nations.
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Well said and researched. This is worthy of plagiarism.
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Great facts and points. It's really unfortunate that criticizing Islam is met with such heavy resistance. This thread is a microcasm of how liberal society reacts to someone who criticizes Islam. First, I was labeled as an intolerant racist who hates muslims. Next was the predictable argument of attacking Christianity and trying to compare the OT to the Quran. This was followed by the "Muslims haven't done anything to you personally" argument. I think you're right when you say it's easier to label a critic of Islam as someone who hates Muslims, than it is to look at the uncomfortable facts about Islam.

The election of a Muslim mayor in London is only the beginning as people are starting to accept Islamic principals and laws or are simply ignorant of what Islam means. Everyone who wants to be tolerant of Islam needs to understand that Islam isn't going to be tolerant of them.
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I hate to say this but you're grasping at straws. The religion condones violence, death, martyrdom and reward for such. It's written in the book they must follow. How can it not be any more clear to you? It is not a religion of peace. Some of it's followers decide NOT to participate but it would not be a sin or damnation from their participation. They actually would be rewarded in heaven per scripture.
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God allowed David to do atrocious behavior, and he was supposedly one of the most godly men in the bible. God condoned the killing of other civilizations. And now people are still committing crimes in the name of God. Look up Jim jones, Mormon **pe scandals, prominent figures within the catholic congregation confirmed to be pedophiles
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I'm writing this as a non-religious person who has a minor in Theology. For one, God didn't "allow" David to do the behavior. David took it upon himself. David wasn't a robot. David was human and prone to a human's behavior. God wanted people that were committing atrocities to themselves and others eradicated. I find it difficult to believe that people like you don't understand the simple concept of trying to have a decent world by eliminating the problem. Just as if you had a farm you would remove the wolves that were killing your sheep. As for the individual acts you mentioned, nothing in the New Testament required them to do it. In fact, if everyone in the world actually followed New Testament scripture there would be absolute peace. People throughout history have taken it upon themselves to spread the word as they seem fit. Then people blame the religion for the action instead of the person. Islam isn't the same. Islamic scripture TELLS you to commit violent acts as does the Torah but Jesus was sent to correct the atrocities being committed by spreading the word of a new way of life. People are no longer to follow the Torah's example if a new policy was implemented for that particular rule. Ignorant people call it "Cherry Picking" but if they had a brain they would understand that a new rule supersedes the old. By the way, I am not religious nor do I believe in any God as most people believe. However, I do believe in the teachings of Jesus as a prophet because like I said, nothing but peace can come of it if it is followed as written. All religious scripture is infused with human desires and faults because it was written by man. If you really sit back and think about the Quran and Torah you will see that they are a chauvinistic, power hungry tale of man's struggle to rule the world. Anyone who would believe a God would make women and other races subservient and inferior should really take a look at themselves. Think real hard about the Torah and Quran. Both are written by, about and for the people in the book so of course that particular set of people are correct in their belief. It's pure arrogant human nature and a complete farce.
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Great points about the New Testament and Islam. While, I don't hate muslims, it's crazy to me that people defend the quran even though the guy who wrote it was basically worse than hitler, he just didn't have the military power to kill millions like hitler. I've been trying to submit this meme for a few days but they won't feature it.
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Muhammad is responsible for more deaths than Hitler could ever commit. It's not even close
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True, while he may not personally have killed as many as hitler did, muhammed's teachings have led to way more deaths
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I did my time as a Marine. It's going to take a lot more than words on imgflip to change my mind. Other than that, the "burning cross" analogy made by Bob covered it.

I'm not here to piss anyone off, or bother with religious debates, so please take what I say at face value. The only thing that should be talking in a thread like this, is an M-16. Call me intolerant, bigot, or realist. I don't really give a shit. Outside this meme comment section, expect me to get back to chilling out. This stuff gets old.
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YOU SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF "PEACE"? SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE MIDDLE EAST HAD PEACE?
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