Facts and Logic

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Then what is you opinion of Saitama Vs Goku? Because Saitama kind of defies all logic.

Vegeta gets stomped, and so does any of Goku's forms, that's just my opinion.

I respect your opinion

Thanks, and I respect yours

That's how it is supposed to go.

No shit Sherlock

Goku solos opm verse. Saitama is multi-galaxy level whereas goku can be easily scaled to low multiversal and higher.

False. Saitama bench pressed 2 BLACK HOLES, can withstand the gravity of a black hole, can STILL hit goku even with UI, and is COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE.

where is the proof for these last two claims? Also the black hole feat is not as impressive as people like to think it is.

Remember when geryuganshoop used his telekinetic powers to control gravity? Thats when he withstood black hole gravity. He can still hit goku in UI with Death Counter and Reversal Of Casualty (Still a feat even if he forgot how to use it). Saitama cannot be damaged by anyone in his verse.

I know about withstanding gravity but where's the proof for him being invulnerable? Or is this the reversal of causality argument?

I told you the proof of him being invulnerable

Anyway the reason as to why goku wins is simply higher stats. His durability is higher than his as durability=ap and gokus ap is far above saitama so he will take the reverse causality punches. Goku also speed blitzes anyway so 🤷.

But saitama could just go back to where goku was a baby \_(-_-)_/

Thats not how the reverse causality works 💀

yes it does? it is a time travel attack that makes the user go back in time and punch the opponent.

Apparently, you don’t understand how reverse causality works. What you are describing is a punch thrown back in time which is not what reverse causality is. A cause and effect relationship with a punch goes like this. Lets say saitama punches goku and goku gets hit. The cause is saitama throwing the punch and goku getting hit is the effect. What reverse causality does is it reverses this relationship of cause and effect. So now goku getting hit comes first before the punch. The effect before the cause. It’s not time travel but a reversal of cause and effect that causes the punch to essentially be thrown out as the effect just happens with the cause justifying it, not the other way around.

Actually look up Reversal of Casualty on the OPM wiki. Saitama did actually travel back in time to Reversal Of Casualty Cosmic Garou.

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The black hole feat has been calced at only about star level due to their size, but if you really want could be wanked to multi galaxy. There is another, more consistent multi galaxy feat of saitama as well. Goku still scales above.

Well saitama is fast af and can catch Goku off-guard and turn him into a red pulp.

Well, Ultra Instinct thou...

Yeah but Saitama is MUCH faster than Goku and can bypass UI, as Saitama has Immeasurable Speed but Goku only has Infinite.

"Saitama has Immeasurable Speed but Goku only has Infinite."
You just proved me right...
Immeasurable, means there is a quantity, but its just impossible to measure it. Infinite speed does not have a quantity, so Goku solos.

To play devils advocate, immeasurable speed actually is higher than infinite speed. But saitama only has MFTL/+ speeds.

That's not what I said.
You must've think I said "Infinite speed travels a finite distance in 0 time"
I actually said "Infinite speed travels a finite distance in 0 time" so basically infinite speed is teleportation.
Immeasurable speed is being capable of moving freely across linear time. They can land a blow before striking an opponent. They also have a faster than instant reaction time.
Since Infinite speed is basically instant, Immeasurable speed can easily dodge

Again, I guess you not grasping the "Not able to be measured" part of Infinite speed well enough.

Unfortunately for you, the feats are stacked against in my favor.
Characters with infinite speed are only able to react to finite speed objects and attacks in 0 time, and can only travel a finite distance in 0 time.
Immeasurable Speed Characters can move freely across time, dodge an attack that is already been struck, and perceive Infinite Speed Characters as completely immobile.
I believe this is enough evidence why Saitama bypasses UI, unless you are too into "Infinity cannot be measured, and has no quantity" and if that's the case here here is some more stuff.
Immeasurable cannot even be represented by names like "Infinity".
Infinity DOES have a quantity, but is increasing faster than time moves, so it is impossible to measure.
There are infinites larger than others, so you can imagine "Immeasurable" as one of those infinites that has passed the "Infinity" line into the "Immeasurable" category.

False. Infinite does still have a quantity, but has no limits.

I'd look in the dictionary, but since you probably wont do that, here is the definition:
Google: limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate
Merriam Webster: extending indefinitely : ENDLESS
In basic terms, It means that it, yes, has NO limit, AND DOES NOT HAVE A QUANTITY!
I mean, it is a form of the word INFINTY.

And characters with Infinite speed are seen as 0 speed by immeasurable speed characters.
Infinite speed can only travel a finite distance in 0 time.
Immeasurable speed can travel freely across time, and are able to travel a Infinite distance in 0 time.

"Infinite speed can only travel a finite distance in 0 time."
What the hell? That goes against the literal definition of INFINITY
INFINITY IS NOT FINITE!