But That's None Of My Business

Have you heard that Sir Connery is trying to get himself out of the war? :)

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I don't blame all snakes for people getting killed by snake bites. But, if I see a snake in my yard, I kill it. I don't ask it if it's poisonous first. I also don't ask my neighbor if I can maybe take a few snakes off of his hands because he seems to have too many and it would be the humane thing to do.

Thank you for sharing that you're unwilling to treat people like human beings.

Just the ones that are threats.

That's not what you just said.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc., then it's probably a duck. Where are all of the peaceful Muslims denouncing the radicals? If it weren't for their support (either real or implied through lack of voice) then ISIS wouldn't last long. I've seen too many of my brothers and sisters killed by these clowns in the last 30 years to give a tinkers damn about being politically correct.

Agreed. See the soccer game in Turkey yesterday? They asked for a moment of silence for the victims to the Paris terrorist attacks.. and 10's of thousands began booing, .. the entire stadium,, then began chanting "Allah huAkbar". So when I hear its this .03% crap... of bad muzzies., I ask why can't the other 99.07% control them.. or remove them?

indeed. I gotta feeling it a "little" higher than .03% and check out my refugee meme

Well, let's do the math here. There are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world (so I don't know if you ever thought about that, but that's one-fifth of the entire world; if they were all terrorists we'd already be dead) - and I don't know where you got your 0.03% statistic, but that comes to just under half a million people - which is a realistic enough number to occupy a place like Syria. Genghis Khan did it with 100,000 troops.

"I gotta feeling" that someone like you would place the number at somewhere closer to 10%, making there 157 million terrorists; that's almost half the population of the entire United States. That is ridiculous. DO you think it's that high? Do you have ANY hard research at all to support your claim?

"someone like you"....."I gotta feeling" ...nicely done...anyway....not saying all Muslims are terrorists. Never did. However, I think that more than .03% would be more than comfortable with the Caliphate actually becoming a reality, and with the extermination of "infidels" like myself. I live in an area know to have the biggest muslim population outside of the middle east, I work with and socialize with many Muslims who feel the same way I do about the refugees. Wonderful thing about opinions-everybody can have their own!

Well, why don't you do a poll and see what the actual number is. It can't be that difficult.

I saw the .03% on another meme.. i incorrectly used that stat here since 8 had commented on another meme. My bad. However,.. i was an instructor for the DHS/TSA for many years. Their lesson plan estimated about 1.6B muslims in the world. Conservative estimates were 10% are fundamentalist, .. and maybe as high as 20%. About 7-10 % were engaged in active terror activities .. including support. Support would be those raising $$ for but not active. I looked at a few Web pages.. and this one seemed to support that,.. since I can't post a lesson plan. 7% of 1.6B is pretty high bro.. do the math and we have a real world problem. If you noticed.. ISIS is growing.. not diminishing. Muslims are leaving the free societies of western countries to join ISIS. . A fact you can research. Why? Its also a fact that terrorist plan mass casualty events.. paris, 9/11, embassy bombing in Africa, USS Cole, Boston marathon bombing etc. So it only takes a few to kill hundreds or thousands. . Agreed? My point is we need much better screening in place before we start importing tens of thousands of these so called refugees. hchttps://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/home/how-many-muslims-are-there-how-many-are-jihadis

They're not??! Then I have truly no idea what we're discussing right now. I thought we were discussing the influx of refugees feeling from mostly Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan where ISIS has taken over the power vacuum left by an absence of any kind of government? And that's what the Google is telling me right now, so you'll have to fill me in if I'm mistaken.

I'm sure the refugees would LOVE to coalesce together and get back at ISIS for driving them out of their homes - but they're refugees. They're not professional soldiers. They got kids, families, people who need to stay safe until the fighting is over. They'd have to think about where they're going to get their weapons from, someone would have to back them financially, give them command and tactical support... You're talking about a huge scale thing, here, and yes, they do outnumber ISIS so they would have that on their side but a war is more than just about manpower.

And some people HAVE done exactly that. The Kurds spring to mind most prominently - but the Kurds have their own history going on; the Turkish government have treated the Kurds with great suspicion for a very long time, so already the politics is getting even more complex.

Drive safe! This argument can wait - it's not that important; the United Nations isn't hanging on our words here ;)

Yeah, I took a look at the website - it's very easy to pick apart. Among other things, surely you've noticed that if "stealth Jihadi" Muslims really wanted to, they could just move in to some empty county of Michigan or similar and simply vote Sharia Law in - completely legal, completely Constitutional. If there are so many of them, then why hasn't that happened yet?

As for why they're being forced out of their country, I don't know what you're expecting from these guys: if they stay home and fight, they get slaughtered by either Assad or ISIS, neither of whom have ridiculous insane numbers but Syria is mostly desert. It's very difficult at the best of times to form stable societies in remote areas like that, never mind when you're caught in the middle of an all-out war between two sides neither of whom you support and both of whom want to slaughter your town. Think of the desserts of Mexico, or the jungles of Burma - doesn't take a lot of troops to create death and destruction in those areas. What do you want these guys to do? Stay and get a face full of chemical weapons? If I were in their shoes, I'd say "to hell with this, we gotta leave" too - I'm not defending my village against 200,000 soldiers.

Most of the refugees are not syrian.. if you do a search. I'm on the road with phone so can't now. If ISIS is a JV team.. why don't a joint coalition drive them out.. annihilate them.. and give the country back to the "refugees" ? I noticed spell errors. . Sorry.

7-10% sounds INSANE. I'm having real trouble believing that it's that high.

ISIS is believed to number somewhere around 200,000. Boko Haram may number as much as 50,000. I mean, we really are talking tiny, tiny percentages of people who actually engage in these acts of terror.

Here's another fact for you that is not opinion: since September 11, 2001, the USA has taken in approximately 750,000 refugees without much incident; the highest profile refugee-perpetrated attack was the Boston marathon bombings, and that wasn't coordinated by any organization, that was just a pair of wild stupid kids.

So what's so special about this 10,000 that 750,000 haven't already subjected us to?

May sound insane bro.. but it's not stat or opinion.. I'm just giving you a site that seemed close to what I was familiar with. You know that we have intercepted several terror attacks here in the US before it happened right? We have not been incident free.. we have just been lucky in stopping them. Almost 70 I think.. I'm on a phone so harder to research. But go ahead and check it out. We have no idea how many lives could have been lost if the Intel community did not stop these attacks. Maybe minor. . Maybe major. But any deaths by these cretins who pose as refugees is too high IMHO. If we can't vet them, why bring then in. And why is a a few % displacing millions? If the bad muzzies are so few, why are they running milling out of their own countries?

... because they're the ones BEING removed from their homes in the terror of ISIS? Or, in this case, they're in Turkey where the refugee crisis hit before anywhere else in the west, so their opinions are just as split as ours.

What do you expect peaceful Muslims to do? I can't control your awful views, anymore than you can control mine.

my "awful views?" Disagreeing with you based on experience does not make my opinion awful bro.. because it's not yours. I lived in ME for 3 yrs.. am a vet, and assisted in developing lesson plans for DHS/TSA. . For 14 yrs. My info is better than a Google search. I'm not discrediting your opinion.. but mine differing from yours don't make it awful. My opinion is based on real world experience,.. not a press release or website.

No, disagreeing with me doesn't make it awful, but holding Muslims to a standard of expectation to defund and defeat a militant group that is causing EVERYBODY problems DOES make it awful. Again, what are you expecting these guys to do against an army six digits in strength that would affirm their commitment to denouncing their ideology?

Why did the good ones.. allow the bad ones to get that strong.. is the question you might ask. You don't gain an army that big over night. Lebanon was once a Christian country.. look up their fate after the "moderate muslims" migrated there.

They didn't "allow" them to get strong! ISIS built up from tree remnants of Al-Quaeda, who started out as Afghan guerrillas who - incidentally - were armed by the CIA to fight Soviets in the 80's. Muslims never asked these guys to do squat - they took their power from opportunity and there's nothing civilians can do now to dismantle them overnight. You are putting too much responsibility on the layman to control everybody on the planet who follows his faith - and that's ridiculous. What did you do to stop the growth of Ugandan warlords who commit violence in the name of Christianity?

The Lebanon does indeed make for fascinating reading, including the lovely story about how the Lebanese Christian militia committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Suffice to say, it's a TERRIBLE example.

true words....well spoken here is my view on the refugees
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Ugh.

The mosque where these people gather to worship.. can identify the haters, or they produce haters. There is no in between. Pick any ME country you want as an example, and the few "radicals" are outnumbered but yet grow into formidable terror organizations and armies. Why? Why are thousands leaving western countries that they migrated to to "escape radicals & persecution",.. going to join ISIS if it's this limited ideology? You continue to ignore that. WHY? WHY is ISIS growing in recruits? By your logic.. i can say "hey Mikki,.. come join ISIS" and you would do it.. right? No Mikki won't do it.. cuz he knows it's wrong. Then why are the thousands and thousands around the world joining isis of their free will if they are "good muzzies? " I await your reply sir.

What are you talking about? Mosques DO denounce violence, ROUTINELY - see the link I posted on this very page to the guy who asked me where the peaceful Muslims are.

And you said it yourself: thousands! Out of billions! Crunch the numbers, get a percentage out of it!

There are billions of Muslims over the world who don't kill people and wouldn't kill people, and I feel like you're deliberately ignoring these points because you're already set to lay this at the feet of an entire religion.

There are 1.6 - 1.9B muslims in the world.. not billions. You never answered the Q. Why are muslims joining ISIS by the thousands? Why are Muslims leaving free countries that they live in.. to join a murdering oppressive army that spews hate and post videos of beheadings on line? What is the acceptable % of ISIS infiltraters that can come in with "refugees?" Since ISIS has released videos vowing to attack the US and kill Americans,.. what is the acceptable number of casualties to you,.. for allowing them in. FBI says no way to 100% guarantee ISIS won't come in with refugees. You continue to avoid those Qs brother.

No, I absolutely have answered your questions, and I'm getting sick of it. A small proportion of Muslims are joining ISIS for the same reason why a small proportion of Christians join things like the KKK - because they're nuts, often because they live in terrible conditions, a lot of it caused by the USA in our foreign policies over history. They're looking for The Man to blame for their situation, and we look an awful lot like The Man to them. We're talking one in ten thousand people in a given population, more or less.

Ideally, there'd be no casualties at all of course, but when people lose their homes and their nations to tough crisis, they need a new place to live until their homes became peaceful again - and with 750,000 refugees taken in since 9/11/01 and few refugee-perpetrated crimes to show for it, there is NO REASON for the USA to say that it couldn't handle 10,000 more. NONE. These excuses are ungrounded and utterly lacking humanity.

Since you ask so nicely, here's one I found just a couple of hours ago:

http://www.muslimsofnorwich.org.uk/a-statement-on-the-atrocity-in-paris/

I respectfully disagree. Mentioning the KKK is like referencing the Crusades. I see it as a deflection. They pose no risk. Keep it current. Thousands flocking to ISIS is not a "few".. unless you choose to compare that to the entire muslim population. The reality is here.. that it only takes a "few" and we cannot successfully vet them by our own admittance. A "few" killed how many in Paris.. a "few" killed how many on 9/11? It's ALWAYS a few bro.. always. Unless I interpret your replies wrong,.. you seem to accept this risk of possible American casualties. I do not.

Yes, that is correct: I am comparing it to the entire Muslim population! Why? Because whenever something like this happens, it's the entire Muslim population that takes the heat from rhetoric like yours, and they don't deserve it - and frankly, it drives some people right into the organization you blame them for not staying away from to begin with.

You seem to be saying that we should try to eliminate completely the threat to American lives. I thoroughly disagree with you: the threat can NEVER be reduced to zero. You're a military man, you know full well that if somebody really wants to cause some damage, they may well be able to do so, no matter how tight security is. It's just not pragmatic to throw out all outsiders just because you don't want to assess and reassess risk as we go along. We can MANAGE the risk - but I think we can do that without telling Syrian children that they can down in the Mediterranean for all we care about them - that's just not right.

The children are only affected because the men are fleeing.. leaving them. 75 -80% of so called refugees are young men. We can assist in humanitarian aid over THERE. Every time some insane insurgency decides the local population needs to follow a new set of rules.. is not reason for this country to absorb the world's problems. Where does it stop? Set if refugee camps THERE. Protect them, feed them and give them all the humanitarian support they need.. drive out the insurgents. . And give them THEIR COUNTRY back. These are health risk.. not vaccinated.. untrained, uneducated, people who will fall into the system of living off the taxpayers dime... with a % of them plotting attacks against the good people who took them in. They will not assimilate into American culture. They will hold onto their own.. eventually hating every thing about America.. except what they can take. You answer few questions. . Make many statements. Why are no islamic countries taking them? The Saudi s have no $$? Kuwait. .. Jordan. .? Of course they do! But offer NO ASSISTANCE. WHY? Because they rely on the stupidity of America to take them in .. weakening the country further with another financial burden and culture division. You can point fingers at me all day and like minded Americans. How about blaming the rest of the Arab world for turning their backs on their own people. And that's your lesson on islam today. Turning their backs.. on their own people. That's a real religion of peace. ;)

I have experience with the islamic culture.. i suspect you do not on more than a casual "I have an american muslim friend." Research the Ft Hood shooter Hassan. He was a "few". Born in América. Raised in America. Educated in America. A high ranked officer in the American military. You know the rest. Bottom line.. when someone can say unequivocally. . That they can 100% guarantee that no refugees are ISIS infiltraters. . I will reconsider my opinion. I am all for any humanitarian aid.. but not for putting one American life at risk to die horribly and unexpectedly at the hands of a cretin terrorist.

London had a much higher population of Muslims than we have anywhere here in America, so I say with confidence that my exposure was more than just casual. In fact, there might have been more Muslims in my high school than Jewish students, by a small margin. Perhaps more importantly, though, my mom was one of the staunchest anti-Muslims I've ever known in my life, so I've been exposed to the rhetoric that they have to deal with all my life. I saw the flaws in the arguments when I was seven, and they haven't changed one notch in twenty-five years regardless of who they came from. So Muslim-bashing has been a sore spot for me my whole life.

I remember the Fort Hood shooting well. I also remember how not long before, when Anders Brevic shot up Oslo about the same time in the name of a Christian Manifesto, the same people eager to connect Hassan to Islam suddenly could not say clearly enough that Brevic did not represent Christians.

What happened? Where was the call for Norway to keep Chrizzies out in case some of the bad ones came in to do more harm? If you're such a good Chrizzie, where were you to keep the bad Chrizzies from turning to extremism? You're going to try to tell me that there's a difference - there isn't, and to say otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

I submit that 100% is TOO high a standard when dealing with refugees and immigration: it's impossible, and it's never been necessary in the history of the United States, which as you know has a very long history with refugees and immigration.

I want to talk to your mom! She understood! Ask her to please join this site and give me a break! You're Killing me! Ha ha ha ha!

OMG ! LOL ! Do you want to compare christian attacks to muzzies! ? Ha ha! I see that every week tight.. christian suicide bombers. "In the name of Jesus.. "BOOM!" Christians driving christians from countries. . Christians kidnapping school girls and making them sex slaves.. christians raping villages... stoning people.. comitting genocide.. ha ha! What news stations are you watching? Is this the part now where you say: the Crusades. .. blah blah blah... Hitler was a christian. . Blah blah blah. .. the KKK were Christians.. blah blah blah. Stick with the current bro! Every shithole in this world that is having extreme violence.. is at y he hands of muzzies. Period. Religion of peace..? Lol!

Uganda? No Muslims there - the Chrizzie LRA is still at large in the Congo and Central Africa. Burma? No Muslims in that fight. Colombia, Mexico - pretty extreme violence, no Muslims in those places. All that is still pretty topical.

So if you want to compare news sources, I've got to say - yours are the ones that sound pretty damned incomplete to me.

Somewhere in this thread the question was asked, "Why are Muslims going to join ISIS." Well one reason is the increasing level of suspicion and hatred against Muslim minorities which leads to a general feeling of hopelessness. ISIS are doing all they can to magnify this societal unrest as it makes radicalisation so much easier. So we find that in spreading a message of fear we are actually doing ISIS's work for them.

Uganda IS A piss Poor Example that u have Been Successfully suckered into.. erroneously believing the christian population is responsible. They are responding to to the constant violence of... yep... the hell raisers of the world.. muzzies.

No where... NO WHERE.. will you find violence on a massive scale that rivals muzzie violence. Stop listening to MSNBC Mikki! Lol I need to get you down to Georgia.. and teach you some prepping. YOU ARE Gonna Need it.. Letting IN ALL These TERRORISTS. I need a break.. you are killing me. OMG.. I'll be like Bill O'reilly - "Mikki. . You get the last word"

Hahahahahah funny.

Yeah, I think this is the highest rated meme I've ever done!

No problem here!
http://www.infowars.com/pew-poll-63-million-muslims-support-isis-in-eleven-countries/

How do you mean?

Over a thousand views and it's not even been 24 hours!

I've never thought of looking at that before..

Highest viewership in a given amount of time. Closest I've come to the front page :p

Somewhere in this thread the question was asked, "Why are Muslims going to join ISIS." Well one reason is the increasing level of suspicion and hatred against Muslim minorities which leads to a general feeling of hopelessness. ISIS are doing all they can to magnify this societal unrest as it makes radicalisation so much easier. So we find that in spreading a message of fear we are actually doing ISIS's work for them.