There is no amount of facepalms to describe the feeling I had watching the trailers

:)

I hate it with a passion. I mean, it will make money because of Disney's hype machine, but it's going to suck worse than Avengers 2.

There are a ton of continuity/logical errors, they only had a black main character to be topical, they disregarded the expanded universe, they have just as much CGI as the prequels despite that being part of their claim of how much better it will be than them, and they're trying to outdo Lucas and mock him while doing it.

I like to say that Disney killed Star Wars, but I hope with all my heart that Star Wars kills Disney. :)

What would that look like, if Star Wars "kills" Disney? How would you see that playing out? You mean like if it's a massive bomb for them, critically and financially?

They only spent 200 million on Force Awakens so it wouldn't be enough from just the one film failing. But if somehow the movie fails so much, or at least disgruntles the fans so much, that Disney starts to lose business from it at their parks, for their films, and for their merchandise and they go out of business finally.

It would make me so happy if that happened. I really hate Disney. :)

What did you mean by "they're trying to outdo Lucas and mock him while doing it," if you don't mind me asking?

One of the trailers they released mocked the prequel trilogies and Disney ditched Lucas' story treatments.

If Disney was smart, they would have made the film set in the New Jedi Order era and it would have the Yhuzan Vong as the threat of the whole trilogy. Chewie would die off in the first film to get fan's hearts wrenching, Han Solo would get to kick the shit out of Bossk for talking shit about it, Han and Leia's son Anakin Solo would sacrifice himself in the second film, and They could have still had John Boyega as a new character(Lando's son) and have him fall for Jaina Solo(Daisy Ridley). They'd also still have the newer T65J X-wings too. They just wouldn't look like they do for force awakens and there would be no need for the retarded BB-8. There are reasons for why the R2 units are the size they are in the books, there's no need to have smaller/cuter "updated" versions of the astromechs. Plus, the BB-8 design is flawed. The ball would degrade in sandy environments and it also wouldn't be able to hold all the tools R2's use to repair the ships in flight.

Disney screwed the fans over with these three films. I really, really, hate Disney for screwing up Star Wars. And hate...leads to suffering. :)

Wow, you know a lot more about the Expanded Universe than I do. I have never heard the name Yhuzan Vong before, and I didn't know about Han and Leia's son Anakin.

I still am not sure which trailer you're talking about where they mock the original trilogy. I guess I didn't pick that up.

Here's the link to it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNJ51ghzdY
It's from the Comic Con Reel. They're trying to act like the Prequels had no practical effects/sets. Which it did. And they also want to imply that they aren't using as much cgi when they're using just as much if not more. lol

This all comes from the Lucas bashing bandwagon that started with the whole Han shot first crap. Lucas changed that because he didn't want Han to be a cold blooded killer and he wanted his story arc to be more believable since he becomes a leader in the Alliance so easily.

When the film comes out, it will bomb. You'll see. :)

Thanks for the link. I'll look forward to more of your Star Wars-related memes. I've seen a couple of them now and they're pretty good. :)

See I liked the Prequels and Special editions. And I love Clone Wars and Rebels. But the way the new trilogy isn't using the EU and is picking what it likes from it and pretending that it makes the new trilogy original. lol They're also just copying what worked from the OT. Mainly from ESB because of its supposed "best one" status. I actually liked ROTJ the best. Ewoks might have been that generation's Jar Jar, but the idea of tribals fighting off a technological Empire is awesome. Especially when George explains that it's a reference to the Vietcong. The whole thing with Palpatine taking over the Republic was also in a way a reference to how the President of the US gained too much power under Bush.

You should get three of the EU trilogies to read if you have the time/money. The Thrawn trilogy, the Jedi Academy Trilogy, and the Black Fleet Crisis. They were freaking amazing and would have made great films. The New Jedi Order(which takes place about the same time as Force Awakens) was another great part of the EU. The Yuzhan Vong were sadistic evil aliens from outside the galaxy that Star Wars takes place in, and they were devoid of the Force. It basically made them invisible to the Jedi. They were also sort of like the SW version of the Borg in some ways. The way they grafted organic armor onto their bodies and used organically grown ships to invade made them different and scary.

I'll get my list together of the flaws/bullshit in Force Awakens to post for you. One of the main flaws that's an obvious continuity error and an obvious example of how they're riding on the curtails of the OT's success, is the use of the TIE/LN(flat winged TIEs). They were being phased out by ROTJ and the people who were making them for the Empire, Sienar Fleet Systems, were making the Interceptors, Defenders, and Phantoms instead. The flat winged TIEs were rarer and rarer as the story went on since they were obsolete compared to the bent winged TIEs. The flat winged TIEs would be horrible in atmosphere due to drag and cross winds. The wings would get ripped off if it tried any fast maneuvers.

JJ/Disney also copies the OT by starting on a desert planet(Jakku/Tatooine clone) and going on to a snow planet(Hoth clone) and a forest planet(Endor clone/possibly just Endor). The scenes in the trailer with the Falcon flying on Jakku with TIEs behind it is a ripoff of the asteroid fight in ESB. The list goes on. I'll post it later for you. :)

I thought Return of the Jedi was great. Didn't mind the little ewoks at all. The forest battle where they overpower the storm troopers was so much fun to watch. Then the fact that it was intercut with the critical space battle, and Luke's lightsaber showdown with his father, made it an excellent ending.

You have a lot of thoughts about the new Star Wars. Have you put up a blog about it, or youtube video, or similar?

I'm guardedly excited about Episode VII. I'm not a fan of J.J. Abrams, and I'm skeptical about the villains (Kylo Ren just doesn't seem like a scary or interesting villain to me).

But, John Williams is scoring it, which I love. The original cast is back, which for me makes it more than worth a look (even if so far Han's lines from the trailer sound a bit forced). And, it has the Millenium Falcon, which I love. :)

Writing this, I realise I'm probably the kind of "fan" you hate (and the kind of person Disney is trying to pander to, which might not work): the person who doesn't know much about the extended universe, and was disappointed with the prequels, and just wants Disney to let them relive the feeling of the original trilogy. I think that's the market they're going for (plus undoubtedly the young children's market).

Anyway, I look forward to seeing more of your memes/comments on it. Your perspective is better-informed than mine and I'm interested in your views.

Thanks. Much appreciated. I do kind of hate how anyone is excited about 7.

The stuff in the prequels that mirrored the OT was done intentionally, not to get you to like it, but to show that Luke and Leia are related to Padme and Anakin and to cement Obi Wan/Palpatine/R2-D2/C-3PO's character.

The way it's being done in 7 is just to get you to like it. That's why they're still fighting the Empire. That's why the Imps use the old TIE. That's why we're still seeing Stormtroopers as enemies. That's why they went with BB-8 and Peezy(I don't know his whole name yet but they're the new R2 and 3PO). That's why they're on a sand/snow/forest planet again. And I bet in that order visually to further force the nostalgia vision on the film fans. Why aren't we seeing any other planets in the trailers? (I want to see Kuat, Corellia, Sullust, or Mon Calamari.)

Snoke is new Emperor, Kylo new Vader, Rey is new Leia, Finn is new Luke, and Poe is new Han but doesn't get the girl. Luke is going to be new Obi Wan/Yoda for Finn. BB-8 and Peezy are the new droid couple. And Han and Chewie are along to probably end up handing the Falcon over to the younglings.

I'm going to post a list eventually. i just would rather do it in a meme than just a comment. :)

I see what you mean that Disney is just putting those things in to get people to like it and make money. I don't have as much of an objection to them doing that as you do, though.

Corellia would be an awesome planet to see more of. That's one of the things I really did like about the prequels, that it showed that planet.

Yeah if you keep doing your thoughts in like a meme series (like you've been doing), that would be cool. Don't forget your other memes as well. :)

They showed Coruscant. Corellia hasn't been shown yet. Disney would be fools to not show Han's homeworld though. And especially the CEC shipyards(the people who make the YT-1300's/Millenium Falcon). :)

I have a problem with Disney getting rich off of ripping off my favorite film franchise. People complained about GL the same way that they're about to with Disney. But with them it will be worse. They won't learn and will just hype things up and appeal to a generation that hasn't seen either the PT or OT. F**k...that...shit. lol

I still have a ton of old ones I'd like to submit. I submitted a Walking Dead one today that mirrors the "all right you little bastards" grandma meme. :)

Thanks! I confused Corellia with Coruscant.

I'm wondering if they'll show Coruscant and if it looks different. :l

I don't know what they'll do. I think it's very difficult to pick up someone else's film franchise and make it successful. Because of that, I have some sympathy for the new filmmakers, and some curiosity about how they're going to go about it. I know that's different from the position you take.

Thanks Socrates. I appreciate the comments you make. If you ever want me to post a list of what all is wrong with the new film, I'd be glad to do so.

Let me clarify something about it though. I'm sure it will make money it's opening weekend. But the real fans(those who liked the EU) are going to hate it. We'll watch it, but only after it's on HBO/Starz/someone else pays for it. lol. :)

Sure! I'd be very interested to hear in what you think is wrong based on the trailers and the other news you've heard about it. I'm interested in the hype about it and you seem to have better information than I do about it. But only if it's worth your time. :)

My feelings about it aren't as strong as yours, and I'm actually looking forward to seeing the new Star Wars, not because I'm a fan of Disney or J.J. Abrams, so much as just for the sake of going back into that universe.

But I'd definitely be interested to hear what you have to say about it. I like when people have strong opinions.

Also, I didn't know that you have to like the EU to be a "real fan." By that definition, I'm not a real fan, since I'm not familiar with the EU apart from maybe 1 or 2 of the novels.

I'm an "original trilogy" fan - I thought the prequels were a waste of time. I respect your view if you see it differently than that.

You obviously haven't watched his films. lol :)

I've enjoyed all the ones I've seen.. Treks were great. Super 8... LOST was ok up until the ending. So far everything I've seen has captured the feeling of the original Star Wars and I'm excited. This from someone who saw the first one in 1977.

I read the EU stuff and it was dreadful (well 95% of it). Lucas always said he wasn't obligated to keep any of it, but allowed it to exist. So while it built up and up and up and the fans liked it (blech), they were wise to get rid of it. Star Trek (all of the series and movies) didn't keep that EU stuff either.

He didn't "capture" the feeling of the OT though. He just copied it's aesthetic.

I also don't believe you read any EU. You're obviously just enthused about the film and want to say anything to defend it, despite YOU not seeing it yet either.

And you're proving my point by saying that Star Trek didn't keep it's EU stuff. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The new Star Trek films are still within that same universe, it's just an alternate timeline. Which Trek does all the time with the Mirror universe and time traveling episodes/films.

And it's funny how when you list your EU books you list three from the new canon(Disney's fan fiction universe). lol

You're one of those Lucas bashing "fans". lol Yeah, you're definitely not a fan of Star Wars like you claim to be. :)

Well, you've been proven incorrect which is more than a stranger on the internet deserves. You refuse to believe the truth.

When I referred to Trek EU, I was referring, same as Star Wars, to all the Trek BOOKS that were written since the 60s and then later when the movies started coming out, then Next Generation, etc... THOSE things were not all kept either.

Yes, I've read very little of the EU. They did not hold my interest as a true fan of Star Wars. They were badly written and unbelievable continuations of the characters. I did listen to a few others as "books on tape" while delivering pizza in the 90s just to have something to do (Trek ones too). Got me past the bad writing, but the stories were still very lame.

As for Lucas bashing, not sure where you imagined I said anything to bash Lucas. I enjoyed the prequels for what they were. I don't hate them like most people. They weren't great and Lucas in fact is not a great director, but a great story creator (see Howard the Duck for more bad directing). I *AM* enthused about the film, but not blindly so. So far though NOTHING has raised concern for me. I may come out, like you said with Avengers 2 and feel cheated. But for now, I'm giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Everything looks good so far. Dropping the EU was a wise move and shows they want to create a good story and no be bound by that nonsense.

Have a nice day.

"Well, you've been proven incorrect which is more than a stranger on the internet deserves. You refuse to believe the truth." You might need to rephrase that. Giving your OPINION doesn't PROVE anything. lol Also, what was it even supposed to mean?

And you're showing more of your ignorance by claiming Lucas directed/wrote Howard the Duck. He was an executive producer maybe, but neither the director or the writer. lol.

Nothing stuck out as wroong for you in all three trailers? Okay, why is the Empire/First Order still using the old model TIEs? They already mass produced the TIE advanced/interceptors to replace the TIEs(flat wings) in ROTJ. Why is JJ copying the feel of the OT? Notice he has a desert planet, a snow planet, and a forest planet all in this one film? And JJ/Disney is cherry picking the EU(which must not be as bad as you claim if they're using any of it) to fill in the gaps between all the ripoffs of the OT. I can keep going on how much is wrong with the film just from the 5 or so minutes of shitty trailers they've released so far.

Yeah and you're still a liar on having supposedly read the EU. If you really had read any of it, you wouldn't bash it collectively without having read ALL of it. Isn't that your logic? If I haven't seen the new film how can I judge it right? If you haven't read ALL of the EU, how can you judge that ALL of it is garbage?

Yeah, you're just a sci fi fan and not a Star Wars fan. :)

Okie doke... thanks Troll.

And you're obviously just a sci fi fan and not a Star Wars fan. I also doubt you've read ANY of the EU. LOL :)

That would be incorrect. I have been a true Star Wars fan since 1977 when I was 10 and my parents took me. I checked out of 11th grade to see Jedi first showing (they didn't do night before screenings then). I read all the novelizations before seeing the films (except Star Wars). Han Solo trilogy by Brian Daley. Splinter of the Mind's Eye by Alan Dean Foster. When the Timothy Zahn books first came out I was right there... the first was ok, but they went down from there. The others by other authors were horrible. However, I do have Kenobi and Tarkin to read, hoping they might be a little better. I read the prequel books too as well as the intervening one (cannot recall the name) between two of those movies.

I read the latest "Aftermath" and that. was. terrible. Except for the cut scenes it was a huge disappointment. So yes, if the film is as bad as that (doesn't appear it will be), then yeah, they messed up.

and by "True Star Wars Fan" I mean the movies. I never expected the EU garbage to be anything other than authorized fantasy tales.

I'm the troll who came to YOUR meme and started arguing with YOU. Right. lol You obviously have a skewed view of reality.

You're so delusional kid. I'm sure it will make money because of the hype alone, but the movie is going to fail. You'll see. :)

Thought you might like this pic. Although I don't really understand why the use of the lens flare bothers you. :)

Did you see the two newest Star Trek films? It's annoying. The camera is supposed to see like your eye, not a camera. GL had some lens flare in the prequels, but it was done right. Death to Disney! :)

I did see them. They were... OK, I guess. Had some good points and some enjoyable scenes, but not the best in terms of plot structure or believability of characters.

If they took away the lens flares and shaky cams, I'd like it a lot more. The guy who played kirk was funny, but not Kirk. Spock seemed too young or something, but was okay. To me really, Simon Pegg, Uhura, and Bones were the best actors. And that's not really saying much. :)

Yeah, some of the supporting cast did a good job. I liked Simon Pegg.

I'm not really a Star Trek fan. I liked number 4, where they traveled into the 1980's to save the whales lol.

To me the new ones were a bit annoying just because they all seemed so young. I know that was part of the point - to do a Star Trek "origins" movie so to speak - but I didn't think that was necessary at all.

Benedict Cumberbatch was pretty good in the second one, too. But he doesn't look like Khan much.

Yeah it's more like a younger generation of actors just want to pretend they're the TOS cast. lol

For me, I'd rather had seen another TNG film with Picard and the crew getting Data back somehow. Or something with the DS9 and Voyager crews. But also, I would have rather had seasons 5-7 of Enterprise. That show is so underrated. :)