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Are talking about the flags flown on the slave ships?

Since you brought up white supremacy, you should read Abraham Lincoln's 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas.

I have read those debateS (there were 9 of them) , and I assume you're referring (as most people who look to sully the reputation of Lincoln by quoting passages from his early career) to this passage:

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

However this is often taken out of the context of the debates in which douglas tried to label Lincoln as an abolitionist, a possition that was not at all popular in the state where he was currently running for office and Lincoln, for political expedience, needed to distance himself from the label. That passage is also concluded with a line from Lincoln about the false equivalencies that try to paint nuanced issues as black and white: "I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."

Using this to bolster any argument that Lincold supported the subjugation of Africans also fails to take into account the content of Lincolns other speeches during these debates like these:

(In reference to Dred Scott) "I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects—certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.

"This declared indifference, but, as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world—enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites—causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty—criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."

"[The authors of the Declaration of Independence] intended to include all men, but they did not mean to declare all men equal in all respects. They did not mean to say all men were equal in color, size, intellect, moral development or social capacity. They defined with tolerable distinctness in what they did consider all men created equal — equal in certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ... They meant to set up a standard maxim for free society which should be familiar to all: constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even, though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated, and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people, of all colors, every where." (setting the stage for his changing ideas on slavery and equality to be "constantly approximated" or changing over time to come closer to the true ideal)

"That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles—right and wrong—throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle."

Lot of words, but at the end of today he said what he said & applying 21st century morals to 19th century persons, he (Lincoln) should be labeled a racists.

"I didn't read the reasonable argument you presented, so instead I will answer the rebuttal I imagined you were making because having an actual conversation is scary and I'd rather just repeat my original point"

Heard you loud & clear. I made my rebuttal statement. Your choice not to comment on it, yet said I was scared of an actual conversation speaks volumes.

What you said wasn't a rebuttal, it was a reassertion of your own ethnocentric opinion, ignoring any attempt at cultural relativism which is ABSOLUTELY necessary to understand the morality of a 19th century person. Your statement does not address the issues I brought up in my responses and instead relies on an attempted equivocation that ignores the real core of the discussion.

Although you use eloquent words & a lot of them, you have missed the point completely. Mr. Lincoln said what he did in the debate with Douglas, but added he did so because he didn't want to be portrayed as an abolitionist, which was unpopular at that time in the state he was in. He later states he abhorred slavery. Sounds like he used the plight of the African slave to his advantage when he need it, but distanced himself when it suited him. The point here is racism not slavery. he made some horrific statement & in today's (as you put it) "cultural relativisms", Mr. Lincoln would be considered a racist.

Sorry I didn't speak to your level, but maybe invest in a dictionary

Wow, now putting someone down that has an opposing view & not even wanting a response. So educated. Invest in a dictionary? Nice response. Have a nice day

What about the flags flown by the African chieftains who rounded up people and sold them to the slave ships?

I always find that flag and I wear the shirt everyday proudly

I sexually identify as a confederate flag waver. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of being the center of trending controversies. People say to me that being a confederate flag is impossible and I'm f**king retarded. But I don't care, I will look racist. I'm having a plastic surgeon put a flag holder in my back and a case to hold my flags and from now I Want you guys to call me Flag waving bigot and use me to be racist. If you can't respect me then you need to check your flag wavers privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

you sexually indentify as a confederate flag waver?
so your gender determines weather or not you wave the flag?
ignorant little hillbilly

No you wouldn't. :(

Same goes for Swastika.

Yeah, they did that already...and lost...

interestingly enough, you commented a true statement that is offensive to all these people with their confederate flags, then you got one hell of alot of down votes.
by this we can deduct that we are indeed surrounded by stupid ass hillbilly 'Muricans