Matrix Morpheus

What if I told you, no one can prove a universal negative? LOL

Thats not true. If i create a glass bowl and say "water has and will never fill this bowl" and then shatter the bowl the universal negative is proven. Though it's technically a positive.

Um, no. This is an established law of logic. Can you PROVE, that, at some point in the future, something or someone will not perfectly reconstruct said glass bowl, and fill it with water? Good luck.

Oh, and you never did prove, logically, that God does not exist.

You made no mention that I had to prove God's non existence. And you need to rethink your pedestrian lounge chair logic and do some research on the subject.

That would be the implication; you're either not too sharp, or you just want to "exit stage left" regarding the question?

I am neither of the sort, and I would put my intellectual heft against yours any day.

Well, here's your chance; I replied below; heft away.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/theory.html

Oh and if you really want me to disprove the existence of a God, you are going have to tell me which God specifically.

I'll make it easy on you, pick any one.

Lets go with a tough one. The Christian interpretation of the God YHWH. Some of the claims being made is that He exist the bible is God breathed and true, he is all powerful and Good. So to prove non existence we have to disprove what is known as false. 1st The bible is not completely true. Jesus said those who believe would lay their hands on the infirm and they will recover, drink any deadly thing and they will not be harmed. Yet we know this is not observed in reality. There are other examples but trying to keep this as short as possible. God is not Good, God is evil. He murdered the first born of Egypt after he himself hardened pharos heart causing his transgression. He murdered every human save a few in a great flood that there is little evidence for. He intends to punish billions in hell for eternity for not believing in what they can not see hear or touch. Continue to hunt thus dog in thus fashion and the only logical conclusion and would be shown in any court is that the specific Christian God YHWH as he is known does not exist.

Firstly, you assert that because the signs Jesus mentioned in Matt. 16:18 are not observed today (“in reality”), that the Bible is therefore false. This assertion presumes upon the interpretation of this passage; it presumes that Jesus is declaring that these signs will accompany every Christian who ever lived or will live. This is not the case. Everyone of these “signs” as stated by Jesus in Matt. 16:18 have been recorded, as experienced by Christians “in reality”, around the time of the formation of the Church (book of Acts). These are recorded in the book of Acts, the Epistles, and other extra-biblical sources you can find yourself if you’re sincerely interested; they are not hard to find. The context of Jesus’ statements in Matt. 16:18, is the Great Commission, the spreading of the Gospel throughout Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the rest of the world; in short, the building of the Church. These types of temporary “signs” were given to (in part) authenticate apostleship, which laid down Christ’s appointed authority to build His Church. We see the same paradigm regarding the speaking of tongues and miraculous gifts. Consequently, from a purely objective standpoint, your assertion that the “bible is false” leaves too much room for debate IMHO.

Your statement “God is not good, God is evil” is extremely interesting to me. Given your worldview (assuming you are an atheist?) how would someone like you even begin to define “good” and “evil”, let alone prove the definitions you come up with to be anything other than mere convention?

I agree, let’s “continue to hunt thus dog in thus fashion”; but before you go around accusing God of being evil, and before I can reply intelligently to your assertion A) what is your definition of “good” and “evil”? and B) are these definitions transcendental in nature (absolute truth spanning space and time), or are they mere convention?

Premature from your point of view of course; however, following verse speaks to your accusations against God; it makes perfect sense when using it within the context of my worldview. I am hoping to receive the answers to my aforementioned questions to see if your definitions make sense within the context of your worldview:

Romans 9:20, “But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? ‘Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?”’”

1)The bible or Jesus makes no mention that these signs would be temporary. If you want to believe there were or are a few Christians running around regrowing amputees legs, causing the blind to see, crippled to walk, etc. I cant really stop you. However this is just one example of a biblical falsehood. The book of Mathew speaks of how Herod kills all children under the age of two. For this to be accurate we would have to believe that hundreds at the least of babies were slaughtered in an attempt to kill the messiah yet not one historian or scribe wrote it down outside the book of Mathew? Another example is scientifically we know the earth was formed much much later than our sun and other stars yet that's not how the creation story tells it.

2) God is not Good. I am an agnostic atheist yes. How do i know good and evil without a God? It's more like i understand good and evil despite this God. However, to your question i would define evil as those things that are very immoral. I know whats immoral because like every intelligent human before me, i know what is good for humanity and society. I know murder and steeling are wrong because intellectually i know these things if allowed to go unchecked could destroy a society. Likewise the things that are good are the things that are beneficial to our fellow humans and society. It's really not that hard.

3) "are these definitions transcendental in nature (absolute truth spanning space and time), or are they mere convention?" Morality is somewhat subjective i would imagine. Whats good for today may not necessarily be so in 500 years. Even so i know when read that Harod was going to slaughter all children under the age of 2 in the area, and God chooses only to warn the family of Jesus, that that would be evil.

"“But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? ‘" God would have to speak to me before i could speak back.