because nowadays you cant ban people for not following the fucking rules

Still would’ve won 7-6 if the random person didn’t count by the way.

why are you so keen on unbanning him anyways?

Because to be fair:

You didn’t call a vote to ban him, so your ban wasn’t justified in the first place, banning him over deleting a comment is overkill as that should’ve warranted a stern talking to or a temporary demotion, and that you have denied the things that I said because you think you’re above the rules. Guess what, even presidents have to follow the rules and you didn’t give him any sort of due process. 13 people voting in a vote is f**king huge compared to what you think. When I got elected for owner, it was 10-2 to the best of my memory, and when I got unbanned it was 11-0. Even if the one person that randomly showed up didn’t count, it still would’ve been a 7-6 win because the other votes came from established people, including yourself and other users. Learn that this place is smaller than slenderman’s testicles and that you’re just upset that you didn’t get what you wanted by ONE person.

yeah but nothing was wrong in my vote and it got deleted, yours had an "intruder" user and nobody mentions that.

i think it's worthy of notice how "intruders" only appear in YOUR votes

ONE MIND YE

Just so you know, even if the “intruder” didn’t count, it was still a win despite.

but there were many unauthorized users under zelda's mod vote, care to explain?

How am I supposed to know the difference between an established user and an intruder when I haven’t been hosting during that period for months on end and barely come here anymore? I don’t catch up on all the details that happen here because my care for this place is slowly diminishing.

so then why do you trust that youre doing the right thing when you dont even have the full picture

Uh-…

You… have a good point, Wubboc.

I don’t really catch up on everything that happens here, either.

I need to catch up on things before trusting the process.

alright thank you

Lowkey need to start asking for recaps cuz I haven’t been here in a long time.

then why do you have blind trust of the vote?

I answered that alr when Wubboc asked virtually the same question. Both you and Wubboc have a good point.

and why did you consult the least active owner for this vote?

Woshua is probably one of the only owners here that gives a shit on requests. Others would’ve ignored or that I don’t have memechat with them.

Also, respect Woshua’s authority, he’s been here for a long time.

no he's definitely not, and it's not hard to get the owner's memechats

so you don't respect the others authorities?

How rude of you to think that asking Woshua of all people for permission where doing something needs an owner approval is against the rules when I followed due process.

Second, I do respect others authority. If someone told me “no, you can’t do this” here, I wouldn’t do whatever I was doing. Also, if I wasn’t respecting others authorities, I wouldn’t be answering your questions when being asked questions I’m obligated to answer on.

it is against the rules NOW because wubboc added a rule for which you need more than one owner's permission to host a vote

But in that instance, it required ONE.

So why do you think at that time I was breaking the rules when Woshua is an owner and also allowed the vote? I asked an owner, they answered and allowed me, that’s due process at its finest. I didn’t bribe him, I didn’t edit the memechat, that was a raw, honest reply by Woshua.

yes it did, so i have nothing against that instance, i just wanted to tell you about the new rule

because an unallowed user voted
because you consulted the owner that knew the less about all this stuff
because oh so randomly unallowed users only appear under your votes
because his unban vote was made definitely too soon
because he still is not answering
there are many other becauses

A quick note for you is that even if the ONE disallowed user voted, it still would’ve been a 7-6 unban.

Using the word “definitely” doesn’t really tie the argument together and makes it look bad, not that I’m saying that your argument is bad, but watching where you put your words can help a lot in other conversations. Other than the regulars here, who do you consider disallowed so I can note to not count them in future votes that I were to host with permission?

The vote was made immediately after it was allowed, no more and no less.

Perhaps the vote is a further lesson that unban votes should take more than 24 hours because I gave out exactly 24 hours for the people to decide and 13 real users voted and was a technical 7-6 final though other users could’ve gotten the chance to vote, and my system is “vote or don’t”, as in that people should vote within the timeframe because voting is the main expectation in voting, or you choose not to vote, and I’m not the Paul Revere of the Understream, I don’t inform people of an existing vote 24/7 that people should’ve already had seen but chose not to act.

I’m pretty sure that calling other established users here “not established” is saying that you’re disregarding the other 13 established users including yourself.

And also, 13 people is already enough established people, why are you greedy for more? This stream dead as hell and you think you have the balls to say that “many established users didn’t vote” when 13 established users voted and it isn’t MY fault that the other “established users” didn’t vote, when 13 people in a vote is f**kin huge when it comes to this place.

yeah most of them joined this year tho

Okay so fork spotted in kitchen

also spinel... if you're reading, what does this mean?

How am I supposed to know what goes on between you and him? I don’t ask what’s going on with you and him in discord, and I don’t want to get involved in any shenanigans.

basically before i asked moxxie a plea bargain, you know what it is.

i asked if he could show some evidence to get you banned, and he said "i will decide"
so he DOES have something to get you banned, do you want to explain yourself?

I got nothing that he can use to “ban” me, and you just don’t like me because you’re using me as leverage to get what you want. The joke’s on you, dumbass. I ain’t done jack shit with TOAA regarding his actions on this place, and you’re just looking for SOMETHING as a bannable try when there’s virtually NOTHING.

You just don’t like me, that’s your problem, it isn’t going to change the fact that I’m still herez

what do you mean with "how am i supposed to know"? you seemed to know pretty damn well that post where you said i wanted to get you banned

How am I, someone who wants to avoid drama and other people’s business, supposed to know another person’s business where I can’t see the group of people talking? That’s like saying that I’m expected to be the 3rd person point of view and see everything that happens, even if I’m not there. I’m not a f**king god, Sprout. I’m someone who wants peace.

you said moxxie was your friend, and if you wanted peace you wouldn't have proposed the unban tbh
also i know you knew, and still you're not explaining

I only proposed the unban because Domingo requested it.

I don’t need to explain myself because you know and I know that I saw your post wanting me banned for apparently no reason whatsoever other than your conspiracies.

my post wanting you banned? which post?

The one that you made. Don’t be stupid.

you reacted to this quite late

but you made that post the same day i proposed something to moxxie
yes you did

No, I didn’t make the post that I attached, you’re the one who made it.

imgflip.com/i/b128h4

Explain this then

Evidence ain’t got no expiration date

Sprout do you need glasses?

i appearently do

well I’ll be damnned

wdym?

THANK YOU WUB SO MUCH