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Okay my reading comprehension is low I think ur saying rape and murder bad

they are but theyre saying we made it bad im crine

I agree that rapist and murders suck (hot take) but I'm saying this because objective morality isn't real

and I don’t get how you are one to say this, in the grand scheme that literally means nothing.
So what if it’s objective morality “is not real” it’s bad. It is bad and it will always be bad from now on and onwards, no matter what people think of it

rape is abusing and taking somebody against their will how would that be neutral in the beginning it isnt

lets be so real ts was not that bed untll the 19th century

lets be so real its because no one gave a shit abt women back then

ya

agreeing with the counterargument is lowk wild

and how would you know?? And that’s just a lie, English soldiers would rape and kill innocent black slave women and children

rape is always bad
murder can sometimes be excused

As I am saying these morals which I do agree with are only societal and not objective

Unless there is a higher power, good and evil technically don’t exist they’re just decided by society. The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice which is seen as horrid to other societies but perfectly normal too them. Good and evil is solely based on ✨perspective✨ and varies not just between societies but people too. Nevertheless you should still do what’s considered good and help others because it’s pretty cool and nice

based on that wouldnt the sins described by the apostles in the bible be based on perspective

this is because morality is a based of societal norms but at one point in time they weren't there, it is only seen as immoral, because communities (for obvious reasons) decided that it went against the good of the group

or maybe because theyre literally evil actions

they are only evil because we as humans decided it was since obviously it goes against the group survival that humans went through many thousands of years ago.

Which to be fair I agree that both are bad but there is no such thing as objective morality

so with that logic the fact crimes bad according to us makes them objectively immoral

Is it immoral for an animal to rape and kill? animals don't have the level of advanced same moral code that we do.

youre comparing wild animals to a highly intelligent race

Humans were once wild animals and we still are depending who you ask. A less extreme example of this might be forced marriages or polygamy in our culture it's seen as bad, but other cultures don't see it as bad, morality is a collective concept that was established overtime based off group survival

key word being once

I gave a less extreme example

statistics and action are wildly different

youre comparing forced marriage to rape and murder

the point is the same

we ARE wild animals, we just make homes, no diffrent from how a bear makes a cave or a brid makes a nest

We make also economy business markets education technology and interstellar travel

so what we also sent a dawg to space

key word “we”

that doesnt even have a place in the argument

I know I'm js talking for the sake of talking atp

This literally means nothing to us though like sure oh okay wow it’s not real,
So what
That changes nothing who cares, we think it’s bad, because 99% of cases people are hurt and dead because of it, the thing you aren’t talking about are actual lives that are harmed by this

Sure. Some people didn’t consider it bad, but did that change the fact they still took real PEOPLES lives

People
Real people
Murder isnt just a statistic

you are missing the point. I am saying that morals are objective and are developed overtime by communities as a means for collective prosperity

Just say that then. Just say morals are fake
Real people are still affected by these things why bring that into the conversation, it’s not just an “example”

you are bringing in things I never said

I meant you meant objective morality was fake

And sure oh yeah you can defend this by saying “animals kill each other” sure they do, not like we can control that though. We can control ourselves.

comparing wild animals that need to kill to an advanced species that knows what theyre doing is like comparing self defense to first degree murder

They don’t need to kill, they need to eat. I’m sure if they learned sentient intelligence like us they would stray more away from harm but they don’t

apples and oranges

Read the response

really just saying nothing at this point

I'm just using an extreme example to say objective morality doesn't exist

that means literally nothing