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Let Bondi beach be a reminder that Anti Zionism IS antisemitism.

Let Bondi beach be a reminder that Anti Zionism IS antisemitism. | YESTERDAY, A HORRIBLE SHOOTING HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIAS BONDI BEACH, WHERE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS FROM PAKISTAN SHOT JEWISH RESIDENCE OF AUSTRALIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES WHO WERE CELEBRATING THE FIRST NIGHT OF HANUKKAH. MAY THE 15 DEAD REST IN PEACE. | image tagged in bondi beach,australia,mass shooting,massacre,jews,hanukkah | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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1 up, 3w,
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How?
1 up, 3w,
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"How is shooting Jews in a beach, antisemitism" ahh question. Its a reminder because they used their anger against Zionism as a form of violence against Jews, thats how.
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Opposing Zionism, a political ideology that supports the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, which necessarily entails ethnically cleansing Palestine’s original inhabitants, dispossessing them of their land, and denying them of their human rights is not the same as hating Jewish people any more that opposing apartheid South Africa was anti-white. Certainly everyone reasonable understands this, right?
Zionism originated as a thoroughly Christian idea before it ever became Jewish. After the Reformation, the idea was thrown around in Christian circles of bringing Jewish people to Palestine to fulfill Biblical prophecy, bring about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and trigger the end times. A lot of these proto-Zionists were antisemites and believed that Jewish people could never assimilate into European society and thus needed to be shipped out of Europe.
Then, when Zionism began to be spread among Jewish circles in the mid-nineteenth century, everyone from Reform, Orthodox, ultra-Orthodox, and socialist Jews all opposed the idea for various reasons. Some of these groups eventually began to support Zionism, but it took decades and even today, a significant number of ultra-Orthodox Jews remain anti-Zionist.
This brings another important point: some of the largest voices protesting Israel’s actions are Jewish. Jewish Voice for Peace, for example, has staged multiple actions and been arrested for protesting the genocide.
A big point Zionists like to make is that a majority of Jewish people around the world support Zionism, so if you’re anti-Zionist then you’re by proxy antisemitic because you oppose what a majority of Jewish people believe.
So this fails on a few logical grounds. Christian Zionists, for example, outnumber Jewish Zionists twenty to thirtyfold. Does that mean being anti-Zionist means you’re by proxy Christophobic because a significant number of Christians believe in Zionism?
Obviously not because Zionism is a political ideology, not inherently tied to one religion or another. Anti-Zionists oppose Zionism because it’s an ideology of ethnic supremacy that requires dispossessing, terrorizing, and ethnically cleansing Palestinians. It doesn’t matter if every Jewish person or Christian person or Muslim person opposed it or supported it. The very idea of the ethnic supremacy of one group of people over another is wrong in itself.
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Zionism has nothing to do w/ supremacy!
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So I am not denying that this attack was anti semetic nor that it may be Anto Zionist but the notion that anti zionism is anti semitism is factually unfounded.
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The motion that anti zionism is anti semitism is factually founded, not unfounded, and has been proven time and time again that yall so want to deny, and which your statement honeslty is arguably anti semetic in itself.
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Let me just debunk this sad excuse of an argument. Honestly, i might need 2 whole paragraphs to dunk on this Jihad propaganda. Opposing Zionism is a new form of an anti semetic view that Jews should not have a state. And may i remind you that no where was Palestine a country before 1948, however Israel was. It was a region name that was invented by Europeans, notably, the Roman empire. No where in Zionism does it say to ethnically cleanse people. Those are typical lies spewed by the Jihad agenda that you so propagandized yourself to be. Zionism is a scape goat for you people to hate Jews while having a face that, its only against a "evil fascist ideology." Zionism wasn't a Christian ideology, i really wonder where your getting such bs from. I swear a fish has more knowledge of Zionism than you. Zionism was formed from by a guy named Theodore Hertzl who keep in mind was Jewish, and the term Zionism came from an old Jewish saying, ""Journey back to Zion and Jerusalem." It was never thrown a Christian circles, and what dosent help your claim is that a lot of violence against Jews during that time happened from Christian ideology's, so tell me, why would Christians, who during that time, really hated the Jews, wanted a safe place for Jews? Something is not clicking in your argument. I mean, what is? "A lot of these proto-Zionists were antisemites and believed that Jewish people could never assimilate into European society and thus needed to be shipped out of Europe." This quote in itself invalidates your argument, Zionists are not anti semites, its not a good for you when yall try to turn the blame to us, so yall can feel better about yall being anti-semites. And, they never believed or claimed that, the Zionist belief, was that Jews were destined to return to their homeland, the promised land of which they were exiled from, never said Jews could never be part of European society. You seem to confuse that to what it really is, and that, what it really is, is that many believed that if they didnt have a homeland that Jews governed, their will be more attacks against them. Now, 1 Zionism, as stated and proven before, has always been a Jewish ideology, neve a Christian one, and 2, while true some ultra Orthodox Jews were against, however what you fail to realize is that they were against Zionism for a far different reason than what you think, and after recently talking to one of them, it only further solidifies my opinion on this.
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Continuation on my first rebuttal. Ultra Orthodox Jews who were against Zionism, were against Zionism, because they claimed it was a great impatience, and that 1, they should wait till the Messiah returns, and 2 they believed that Zionism should have been more Torah fathful, and which, when i talked an anti Zionist ultra orthodox Jew, which really, he isnt anti Zionist, as you see it, hes more of a non Zionist, as he acknowledges that Zionism is a Jewish ideology, and he recognizes the Ultra Orthodox Jews who are Zionists, and that he wants the state of Israel and Zionism as a whole to be more torah faithful. And he acknowledges the good that was done by Zionism. And an fyi, only a few of the ultra Orthodox Jews were against Zionism, and after the Holocaust, many anti Zionist Jews, became or converted to Zionism after seeing and realizing Hertzls point. And today, only a very few now oppose it, but again as always for a far different reason than you think and see. And an fyi, when they do mention Palestine, its just an attempt to gain more sympathy. And lets talk about JVP, shall we, 1 JVP is a secular jewish anti zionist group, who keep in mind share different views to the anti Zionist ultra orthodox Jews. Oh and an fyi, i read a wiki article about anti Zionist jews, and literally, when we see what happens now, some anti Zionist jews take money from the Zionist Government. And some are becoming more tolerant to it. And going back to jvp, its a redundant group that tries to speak for whats "right" but eventually people are now seeing their lies first hand, hell, even people in your pro Genocide action stream are seeing it. And obviously, the biggest nail in the coffin here, is that their is no genocide in Gaza to advocate for, its a war that Palestine started. And going to your next misinformation, where exactly did you get your claim, "Christian Zionists, for example, outnumber Jewish Zionists twenty to thirtyfold?" Honestly, i wonder what toilet your getting this from. Majority of Zionists are Jews, that is no argument or dispute. That is not subjective, it is an objective point, you are the only person who claims this. And an fyi, yes, being anti Zionist, also means your anti Semetic, anti Christian and anti Arab, as their are Arab Zionist as well, who make up 20% of Israels population, that in itself debunks Apartheid. Zionism is not an ethnic supremacy ideology. Its a Jewish ideology to bring Jews back to their homeland. Your idea of is false.
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Another small little counter point, since i didnt have space for it in the second argument,
"Anti-Zionists oppose Zionism because it’s an ideology of ethnic supremacy that requires dispossessing, terrorizing, and ethnically cleansing Palestinians. It doesn’t matter if every Jewish person or Christian person or Muslim person opposed it or supported it. The very idea of the ethnic supremacy of one group of people over another is wrong in itself." This idea of yours is redundant and have always been proven wrong. The only ideology that believes in terrorizing dispossessing, and ethnically cleansing populations is the Jihad, Palestinians are being killed by Hamas who is under the Jihad ideology, Hezbollah is doing the same, so is the Houthis and other extremist Jihad groups who fight the very bill you accuse Zionism of. Please educate yourself to avoid getting dunked on clowned in the future.
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Why are you responding to me with this information? I already know Zionism is nothing to do with supremecy, that was what I've been trying to teach that inbread idiot, GGcoolguy, respond to his comment with that.
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I'm very sorry Rabbi! I screwed up. My reply was meant 4 coolguy. So sorry! I'll delete this & start over,ok?
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Ok, just send that comment to him.
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YESTERDAY, A HORRIBLE SHOOTING HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIAS BONDI BEACH, WHERE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS FROM PAKISTAN SHOT JEWISH RESIDENCE OF AUSTRALIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES WHO WERE CELEBRATING THE FIRST NIGHT OF HANUKKAH. MAY THE 15 DEAD REST IN PEACE.