Continuation on my first rebuttal. Ultra Orthodox Jews who were against Zionism, were against Zionism, because they claimed it was a great impatience, and that 1, they should wait till the Messiah returns, and 2 they believed that Zionism should have been more Torah fathful, and which, when i talked an anti Zionist ultra orthodox Jew, which really, he isnt anti Zionist, as you see it, hes more of a non Zionist, as he acknowledges that Zionism is a Jewish ideology, and he recognizes the Ultra Orthodox Jews who are Zionists, and that he wants the state of Israel and Zionism as a whole to be more torah faithful. And he acknowledges the good that was done by Zionism. And an fyi, only a few of the ultra Orthodox Jews were against Zionism, and after the Holocaust, many anti Zionist Jews, became or converted to Zionism after seeing and realizing Hertzls point. And today, only a very few now oppose it, but again as always for a far different reason than you think and see. And an fyi, when they do mention Palestine, its just an attempt to gain more sympathy. And lets talk about JVP, shall we, 1 JVP is a secular jewish anti zionist group, who keep in mind share different views to the anti Zionist ultra orthodox Jews. Oh and an fyi, i read a wiki article about anti Zionist jews, and literally, when we see what happens now, some anti Zionist jews take money from the Zionist Government. And some are becoming more tolerant to it. And going back to jvp, its a redundant group that tries to speak for whats "right" but eventually people are now seeing their lies first hand, hell, even people in your pro Genocide action stream are seeing it. And obviously, the biggest nail in the coffin here, is that their is no genocide in Gaza to advocate for, its a war that Palestine started. And going to your next misinformation, where exactly did you get your claim, "Christian Zionists, for example, outnumber Jewish Zionists twenty to thirtyfold?" Honestly, i wonder what toilet your getting this from. Majority of Zionists are Jews, that is no argument or dispute. That is not subjective, it is an objective point, you are the only person who claims this. And an fyi, yes, being anti Zionist, also means your anti Semetic, anti Christian and anti Arab, as their are Arab Zionist as well, who make up 20% of Israels population, that in itself debunks Apartheid. Zionism is not an ethnic supremacy ideology. Its a Jewish ideology to bring Jews back to their homeland. Your idea of is false.