Well well 5 point Calvinists... it would appear that your so called faithful pastors have been lying to you. I have read both of them a lot & they both finished at 3 point at the most. Your betters didn't bother to tell you that did they? I check EVERYTHING with God before believing what I read etc & they did get into the proper Biblical understanding. Be like them not the scumbags nowadays & the past ones who remained holier than thou Pharisees.