that first guy is kinda based tho

you're fine with child rapists being sent to prison. that's a form of physical removal. but as soon as we practice physical removal with immigrants, that's a bad thing?

btw i understand with full effect what this means btw. My father is a police officer, I know what it was like during the BLM riots to not know whether or not he would come home alive. Hes been shot at before. Hes broke bones before.

Ik what doxxing officers could do, but even with that, when tyranny comes and people start robbing others of their rights. You fight. End of story.

In ww2, you were either a restaince fighter, a solider with the allies. If you weren't either of those things then you were complicit. A guilty of a murder as the mustache man himself.

History will look back at these times how we look back at those

? wha..?

I don't see what part of this is tyranny. These immigrants who are being deported are criminals, often violent ones. They don't belong here, and getting them out of the country is the safest thing for American citizens.

rarely are they criminals, other than the crime of coming here illegally ( only sometimes ofc, sometimes they are here perfectly legally but i digress ) which is an objectively stupid crime.

Also rarely is it the safest thing for them...

America is built upon the idea that no human is naturally better or more important than any other, thats why we are equal under the law. Therefore immgraimts and citizens are equal and their needs should be considered equally as a natural byproduct of the law

keyed

fist off, i believe in habilitation, not imprisonment, criminals should be given therapy, a good place to live, reading material, roommates, jobs (WITH WAGES, none of the USA slavery bs) and they should be kept that way until they can be moved back into society as a productive member or until a certain amount of time has been served, to be detrimed by the courts of course.

If you treated immigrants like this, giving them a place to live, eat, a job, and then you set them up with these things in the country you are deporting them to then i might be ok with this.

Instead they are being sent to prisons in countries that arent even their country of origin. They are being held for days sometimes without food. They are given to foreign and mostly untrustworthy governments without any respect for their rights as humans,

So no, I dont support that

rehabilitation might be slightly better overall, but the cost to rehabilitate hundreds of thousands if not millions of criminals would be very extreme for the U.S. government, and it's not really our fault that they acted like this in the first place. these aren't U.S. citizens, they didn't come from the U.S., their only goal was to exploit the U.S., plus many of these illegal immigrants are very bad criminals, not just people whose only goal was to illegally immigrate here.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-publications/illegal-reentry-offenses says "All but two of the 18,498 illegal reentry offenders — including the 40 percent with the most serious criminal histories triggering a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years under 8 U.S.C. § 1326(b)(2) — were sentenced at or below the ten-year statutory maximum under 8 U.S.C. § 1326(b)(1) for offenders with less serious criminal histories (i.e., those without “aggravated felony” convictions)."

meaning that only TWO immigrants in the sample of 18,498 were sentenced to less than 10 years. and if you think not that many immigrants re-enter, think again, because the average immigrant attempted reentry an average of 3.2 times.

do well meaning illegal immigrants exist? yes, but they are certainly hard to find. and there exists NO praxis able to properly distinguish these well meaning immigrants from the criminal ones. the government should make LEGAL IMMIGRATION easier, that way the well meaning ones who have not committed any crimes can come over here just fine and not have to illegally immigrate and get lumped in with the bad ones, while the bad ones remain unable to go here.

In 2023 the American government spent 843 billion on the military.

In 2023 Sweden spent 13 billion on its justice system ( thats the entire system but for simplicity sake we'll say it was just the prison/Rehabilition system ( which is included in the justice system but as a smaller part and likely did not receive the whole 13 billion)

sweden's population: 10 million

USA population: 330 million

divide 330/10 = 33

we need 33 times more

429 billion dollars

China, the worlds second heaviest spender on the miliary spends roughly ( though a little less) 300 billion dollars.

Meaning if we reallocated the money form the military to the justice system, we could finance it just fine and still be the worlds leading military spender by over 100 billion dollars.

Plus the USA already spends 300 billion per year on its justice system, so the total number needed moved would be way lower than 429 billion dollars. With that addictal money though, we could revnote and fix the system, which might take a decade of extra spending but after that it will fall 429 billion and it will be easily paid

Sweden doesn't need to spend as much money rehabilitating because it's a very homogeneous and high trust society, and crime is low. Not because rehabilitation is cheap.

Yes i understand that the US government has many many other deep failings that result int this not being the case for our country but we gotta start somewhere if we wanna be as good a them someday

Sweden's model should not be idolized. There is going to be migrants who take advantage of its model. I've seen many Swedish people say that it's not going to last for several years, considering all of the immigration that Europe has faced recently. It only works because the people make it work.

Yes and ive heard millions of americans say that our system hasnt worked for a long time so the "not going to last for several years" is already better than ours

And even if it wasn't that prohibitively expensive, I still wouldn't want the U.S. government to pay for it. Because it's not our problem. It's the problem of the people's country of origin. And this is these people's country of origin's way of avoiding that responsibility.

Bro ur a human, There is no such thing as ur problem or my problem or anyone's problem. Thats assigning blame. Blame is stupid, just solve problems

The United States contributes the most to the United Nations of ANY country. On top of that, a whole 75% of ALL voluntary contributions to the UN are from Americans. And you can't forget the Marshall Plan after World War 2, which was a solely AMERICAN initiative.

Yes, we are a wealthy country, but that doesn't just suddenly justify every other country being able to avoid responsibility. I'm tired of the United States being the only country expected to do things.

the Marshall plan???? bro you gotta be joking rn, literally the only reason we did that was to stop the spread of communism by appealing to capitalism through economic relief.

The marshall plan had nothing to do with helping other nations. It had everything to do with buying loyalty to our ideology so that those countries would become good trade partners and allies.

There was nothing good behind the intent of the marshall plan, just greedy people who didnt like others who thought about the world differently than them and those people were willing to pay out Hundreds of billions to nations to make sure they thought like them too.

The Marshall plan happened because Europe was literally in ruins after the World War, and because it was ripe for the taking by the Soviet Union. and additionally of COURSE we would try to stop the spread of communism in that way, it's a far less violent way of stopping the spread of communism than by fighting a bullshit proxy war

You have to be an insufferable person to think that there was nothing good behind the intent of the plan

there was no reason to stop communism other than hating people who thought differently than you

so...? The soviet union fought hard in WW2 and was a huge help to everyone in the war, just let them have it bro, better yet, let the people choose for themselves instead of bribing them

Communism is a destructive ideology which has been REPEATEDLY proven to be wrong. And the current dictator of the Soviet Union at the time, Joseph Stalin, literally let at least 3 million Ukrainians starve just because they were a rebellious people. Look it up, it's called the Holodomor, and you've probably never heard of it before.

Knowing that, do you still feel comfortable with letting the Soviet Union have Europe?

um yes i have, who tf hasnt heard of the Holodomor bro, its one of history's most famous events. And no communism has not been proven to be wrong, dictatorship has.

Communism is an eccomic theory, dictatorship is a political one. Communism was pretty good, but it wouldve worked better under democracy

Communism would NOT have worked under democracy, that's literally what the Soviet Union tried in 1917, and then literally just 5 years later under the Russian Civil War, it became a dictatorship
Look at China - it had a dictator
And look at Cuba - it also became a dictatorship
When Cambodia became communist, it quickly became ruled by Pol Pot, a ruthless dictator whose rule led to the deaths of at least 1.5 million people.

EVERY SINGLE TIME that democratic communism has been attempted, it placing strong emphasis under the state has ALWAYS produced a power vacuum which led to a dictatorship.

Communism is not in fact "pretty good" as a political system if it seems to always do this.

Once again, communism is not a political system.

If you idea of how the worlds workls is "wow this seems kinda hard so it must be incorrect" then idk how you succeed at anything ever

Distributist beliefs like communism and socialism fail because they make everyone poor. Socialism is also ineffective as a system at it tries to prevent hierarchies from forming by having everyone be paid the same amount, even though they are inherent to the universe. Either you end up with no society, which is anarchy (and I don't need to explain why anarchy is bad), or you work so hard at distributing and being fair to the people that you end up giving the state too much power and the people end up not being able to regulate the state itself, which shouldn't need to be explained why that's bad as well.

Democracy only works under capitalism.

Okay that's a bit too far tbh

Telling someone they live in Florida isn't that bad

You could spend your entire life searching Florida for this guy and never find him

Wait I'm a dumbass I thought his name was his address 🥀