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All the top mathematicians say that it's mathematically impossible for something to come from nothing, especially with just a short time of a few billion years.

There's a famous quote by a scientist that's says "a little bit of science leads away from God, but a lot of science leads back to him"

Nobody is saying it is random or came from nothing

What did an explosion, that doesn't destroy things, but instead somehow created infinite life forms instead, come from?

Again, I can't stress this enough, we DO NOT know. What is ridiculous is to claim that you do know. This is, as far as I'm aware, something that we are physically completely incapable of understanding with our current level of technology. Slapping something we individually think makes sense onto something that we don't know doesn't make it a fact. It is only a hypothesis until proven otherwise.

That being said, here are some guesses that don't have anything to do with an intelligent god or creator.

Like I said earlier, maybe the universe didn't have a beginning at all. If it is justifiable to you that there was an intelligent being that has existed for an infinite amount of time, it is equally justifiable that the universe has simply always existed. The big bang might just be the start of a new cycle. Eventually it may collapse, and maybe the force from that is enough to cause it to expand outward again.

Another thing I mentioned before, who's to say that the laws of physics functioned in the same way that long ago? In order to make an entire universe, maybe that requires different physics entirely, one's we obviously aren't directly influenced by now, but would be called into question on such a monumental event.

Likewise, have we ever had a "nothing" to test? I promise you that we have never witnessed a literal nothing. "Energy can't be created or destroyed, only transferred" is something that is applicable to our physical world, but "nothing" is not something we know anything about. If you wave your hand around, there's still air there. If you go into a perfect vacuum like space, there is still dust and debris. If there isn't, you probably still dwell within the fabric of spacetime. Which isn't nothing, it is a literal something that is bent and influenced by physical objects. Perhaps "nothing" can't even exist at all, and when it's close enough to existing, something like the big bang occurs to dispel this.

These are only a couple of explanations. But again, they're just guesses. I still wholeheartedly do not know if there was anything before it at all, or if there was what it could be

In my opinion the Bible is a great source of evidence also the best source.

It says God has always been there, and there was nothing besides him since he's self sustainable. But then he spoke the earth into existence, along the course of a week, he also created heaven.

I think since then the earth is 6-10 thousand years old. Keep in mind, he created the earth WITH age. The first humans weren't newborn, they were adults. They're first she was probably like 20, they were never 19 since they were created at 20.

So he could have made mountains with dirt and rocks that test to be millions of years old or something, when really the dirt was just one day old since it's creation.

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That's an interesting idea i think, that would certainly explain age dating of the world. But I find using the Bible as evidence to be fallacious. Almost like circular reasoning I feel like.

As an example, i hear a lot of this:
A: "How do you know God is real?"

B: "Because the Bible says so."

A: "How do you know the Bible is real?"

B: "Because it is the word of god."

Essentially, I'm not sure that the word of a book being divine can be proven. Thus, I have a problem with treating it as such. This is also combined with the fact that there is an absurd number of other holy texts also claiming to be the one true god. I can't just ignore those too.

Realistically, either all but one of those specific holy texts is wrong, or truly all of them are. Because if any of these are right about the one true god thing, all the others aren't that god, and they are wrong. If there is no god, then obviously they're all wrong by default. And if there is more than one god, then everything talking about a one true god is still wrong.

That means that no matter what, a staggering amount of people made up religions. And religion was the number 1 way that people garnered power or control. Meaning that there would absolutely be a motive to write fake scriptures even if it isn't actually real. I think with that in consideration, it's pretty reasonable to come to the conclusion that most particular religions sprung up for that purpose.

That means I'd need a very, very good reason to believe that any mainstream religion isn't grouped with one of the above.

Well all other religions sort of contradicts itself, but the Bible has held itself for thousands of years.

Miraculous signs happen today still, and all the events the Bible speaks of are historically true

I'm sure the Bible has plenty of contradictions. I admit, I've not read all of it so I do need to do that at some point, I've only read a bit of it.

Also, as far as historical events are concerned I kind of take everything with a grain of salt. It's called his-story for a reason. You probably know the phrase, "history is written by the winners", I find that a lot of it is very biased. Even if you are looking into a primary source, the means to prove or disprove its sincerity is are almost always lost to time

One more thing about the Bible, isn't it supposed to be perfect? And if so, why is it so unclear as to the meaning of some statements within it? You'd think that if a written text is of perfect divine origin it would be clear to its readers, but a lot of things present are up to interpretation. So much so that arguments erupt even between theists about the actual meaning of what was said. (For example, "by seven days he didn't actually mean human days! he was talking about time relative to himself")

Sometimes statements, especially in revelation, are a bit unclear. But with studying them and reading you can come to a conclusion.

Most of the Bible is pretty clear though, it's just what God wanted have to have in that book.

The Bible has stayed strong though it lots of persecution against it, everything said against it has been proven false

I should probably say "often: rather than almost always

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Also sorry for the full on essay lmao I was bored

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The big bang theory also only describes the sequence during as well as after the creation of the universe, nothing is stated about the before

"Atheists think something can come from nothing" is in of itself a false generalization.

So what was there at the beginning of time

We don't know, plain and simple

But wasn't there nothing there

We have no idea
And we can't exactly test it either
We know that the universe is expanding, and that it originates from a central point. That is all

For all we know, it didn't have a beginning and the big bang is a recurring cycle of expand and collapse. Or maybe there quite literally CAN be something rather than nothing, at least at that time, after all how could physics be expected to work the same with the literal beginning of reality? There are so many things it COULD be. But we have genuinely no way to know

How do we know the big bang happened if it isn't testible. If it's not able to be tested or observed, it's not even scientific.

From my knowledge of physics, you of course can not test the big bang as it is happening, but there we can measure it's proposed effects

For example, we were able to measure the speed of other distant galaxies, and we were able to see that they tend to move away from us. Most of this measuring involves redshift, which essentially works on the fact that as light stretches out, it's wavelength increases. Thus, visible light tends toward red with greater distance. I'm not an expert on how all of that works, so I'll be researching that more

There is also residual "light" that matches what our hypothetical big bang would emit if it existed, completely dispersed throughout the universe. Radiation with energy that low would come about due to greater more compact sources of light stretching out

How can you base something off the big bang though if we don't know the first thing about it

With an understanding of how things work together naturally, you can form a hypothesis or educated guess. This is reaffirmed by evidence you may find later

It wasn't a full theory at first, it was just a guess based on how we think reality works

But it isn't natural for a random explosion to come from nothing, and somehow it creates an endless life cycle and sustaining life forms.

It's just too small of a possibility. I think the idea of a creator is more believable

Something out of nothing*

oh zamn, thx for the explanation

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i think i kinda get what they mean but its said so horribly

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Information comes from postulates, from which we discover things that are logically true under that system