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It’s unbelievable | RANDOM FACT, BEFORE THE NAZIS COMMITTED THE HORRIBLE GENOCIDE ON THE JEWS, THE NAZIS THEMSELVES DEPORTED JEWS TO WHAT’S NOW ISRAELI TERRITORY; EVEN THE NAZIS WANTED THE JEWS TO BE WHERE THEY ARE NOW (MORE OR LESS) | image tagged in israel | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
150 views 5 upvotes Made by ascratcherguy 2 months ago in Pro_Israel_Coalition
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2 ups, 2mo
Actually, this event is when Zionists arranged an agreement to the nazis that, "Hey, if you let us leave Europe, we will give you something in return". Now, the anti Zionist stream is trying to paint this "proof" that Zionism is affiliated to Nazis, but what they dont realize, since is basically Jewish nationalism, Hitler also hated Zionists, and they actually were friends with the Palestinian entity in the middle east. And yet Anti Zionists are always quite about that. Also, Zionism hated Nazis as well, they made this agreement to save a lot of Jews from prosecution, as Hitler was pitiful before he started the genocide, any Zionist that stated in Europe were killed in the holocaust.
1 up, 1mo,
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Of course you guys would think that’s somehow a good thing, only on the most moral stream of the imgflip world.
1 up, 1mo,
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We do not think this is a good thing, and i hope you know, this meme is not glorifying Hitler or the Nazis an anyway, but of course anti Zionist are going to call the facts pro Nazis, as they cant handle such things, Facts itself is not in your peoples dictionary.
1 up, 1mo,
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You guys clearly think that it’s somehow a good thing. You guys mentioned that the Nazis supported Zionism on a pro-Zionist stream, and you’re phrasing it as an argument for Zionism instead of something that’s bad. I’m not saying by that this meme is glorifying Hitler per se, but the implication that having your ideology be supported by the Nazis is somehow a good thing is… disturbing, to say the least.
1 up, 1mo,
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Were did i say, that it was a good thing? I literally stated in my reply, to the meme, that any Zionist that stayed, were killed from the holocaust. "You guys mentioned that the Nazis supported Zionism on a pro-Zionist stream, " I wonder when any of us stated that, i truly wonder. I stated that it was bad, but it is a historical event, no one can change history. Zionism does not support nor Glorify Nazis, but do you know who does? Yep, the people you constantly glaze. Hamas, and Hazbullah as well. Mein Kamf books were found in Gazan homes, and Hamas has waved Nazi flags, supporting a second holocaust. Here are the links:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/arabic-copy-of-adolf-hitlers-mein-kampf-found-inside-childs-room-in-gaza/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/orghg9hFFEY
1 up, 1mo,
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I guess that you missed the part of the post that said “Random fact, before the nazis committed the horrible genocide on the jews, the nazis themselves deported jews to what’s now Israeli territory; Even the nazis wanted the jews to be where they are now (more or less),” which was, you know, the entire post. The issue with this is that this implicates the Nazis wanting the Jews to settle on what was Palestinian land is somehow a good thing and proves their point even more, and to put it simply, Nazis aren’t good. Not at all.

As for the video shown here, I don’t even know what to say, this is the fakest shit I’ve ever seen. Full stop. I don’t even know what to say. They just happened to be getting the camera out, and just conveniently wandered into a child’s bedroom and went to a couple of conveniently placed bags to see a Mein Kampf book and weaponry. Definitely don’t think about it for more than 5 seconds, they definitely didn’t just place it there.

On a completely unrelated note, here is a brief list of all the times “Israel” had tried lying through their teeth and failing miserably.

1. The time when “Israel” falsely claimed the hospital THAT THEY BOMBED was actually a secret base for Hamas: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/idf-evidence-so-far-falls-well-short-of-al-shifa-hospital-being-hamas-hq

2. The time when the terrorist forces denied using white phosphorus despite there being undeniable evidence to the contrary.

Undeniable evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/12/11/israel-us-white-phosphorus-lebanon/

Their denial of it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon

3. The time when “Israel” fuсking killed a journalist and tried saying he was a “““suspect””” driving with a “““terrorist””” despite satellite imagery saying otherwise: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/19/gaza-journalists-killed-israel-al-jazeera-footage/

If you would like me to continue, then please ask so. I have an encyclopedia knowledge of this shit. The point is that not taking everything the IDF says with a gargantuan grain of salt, considering its previous tussles with the truth, is extremely laughable. Especially when the claim is so blatantly ridiculous.

Also, I went out of my way to not use pro-Palestine sources (or as you would call them, “Jihad sources”) so I’m going to lose my goddаmn mind if you try to say that the sources are Hamas.
1 up, 1mo,
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Hamas caught stealing aid for Palestinians:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1702285314-caught-on-camera-hamas-terrorists-steal-humanitarian-aid-beat-civilians
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-820030
Al Jazeera news reporters caught associating with Hamas:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjiotyul1x
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-claims-uncovered-documents-prove-6-al-jazeera-journalists-are-hamas-pij-operatives/
Hamas exposed for massacring and purging their own civilians:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hamas-brutally-tortures-gazans-idf-footage-reveals/ar-AA1tPkVz
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-834686
Hamas throwing gay people off tall buildings:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1660138495-exclusive-gay-man-who-fled-gaza-speaks-about-experience-with-hamas

Go ahead, call them all propaganda, nothing of what you say, is going to be false, and before you say, these are all happened in the "past", so does your claims and sources as well. The truth does not stop for brain dead people like you.
1 up, 4w,
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I love how you didn’t respond to what I had said at all. I’m just going to take it as you tacitly acknowledging that you should take what the IDF says with a huge grain of salt, considering they’re terrorists who lie for their own agenda. I’m also going to take it that you have no arguments against my claim that the IDF finding a copy of Mein Kampf in a children’s room is a lie, considering you haven’t responded to that either.

What I also love is you accusing me of citing Jihad sources in a previous argument, before using shit like Times of Israel and jpost as your source, while I actively went out of my way to not cite Arabic news sources since I knew you’d get pissy about that.

But anyways, I’d be more than happy to extend the courtesy of proving your sources are blatant propaganda! You could’ve just asked for me to do so before and I would’ve been more than happy to comply.







I could go on, just ask and I’ll find you more examples of the articles you listed here citing the IDF as a source.

“But you can’t just dismiss what a source says because it cites the IDF!”

Yes I so fuсking could, and I just proved why in my previous comment. So unless you properly debunk it, then it stands to reason that your sources are nothing more than bs coming straight from “Israel”’s asshole.
1 up, 4w,
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When all your argument about "Debunking" my sources is by claiming, the IDF said so, and then proceed to believe every single speak of Hamas, really isnt doing you, nor your counterargument any justice. It should be simple common sense to not accuse other of glazing someone, while proceeding to glaze the other, but then again, you always prove that when you argue with someone, you pretty much do the equivalent of taking your brain out and replying with a brain dead, easily debunkable argument. "So unless you properly debunk it, then it stands to reason that your sources are nothing more than bs coming straight from “Israel”’s asshole." Accuses my sources from Israels asshole, Proceeds to have sources from Hamas Asshole, common sense does not exist in your dictionary it seems. "what the IDF says with a huge grain of salt, considering they’re terrorists who lie for their own agenda." Replace IDF with Hamas, and you got that 100,000% right. You are an example what the Jihad presence can do to a person. So, overall, you DIDNT debunk my sources, you just double down on the lies Hamas has been brainwashing you of. Nice try, trying to spread Hamas propaganda. You wouldn't go more in "debunking propaganda", do you know why? Because i would debunk it, and you like always, would be in heavy denial, and start crying. I dont have too much time to debunk more, but consider what i say, before accusing people of what you primary do. As for Pro Palestinian, every accusation, is a confession.
1 up, 4w,
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"Every accusation is a confession"

You really want to pull that card on me? Are you absolutely sure?????

Alright, then. Let's talk about blocking aid for Palestinians, then.

How about the time an international aid group was blocked by "Israel" from importing pasta and other foodstuffs into Gaza?

https://web.archive.org/web/20090228123344/https://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/62797.html

Or the time "Israel" was also reported to have prevented aid groups from sending in other items, such as paper, crayons, tomato paste and lentils?

https://web.archive.org/web/20090204072542/https://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_protection_of_civilians_weekly_2008_12_23_english.pdf

Or the time that the UN had to build homes out of mud bricks for Palestinians because "Israel" wouldn't allow cement and steel to be imported, which are essential building materials?

https://www.haaretz.com/2009-12-12/ty-article/un-builds-mud-brick-homes-for-homeless-gazans/0000017f-e276-df7c-a5ff-e27ee1a70000

All without mentioning "Israeli" settler terror on aid imports for Palestinians.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-right-wing-settler-attacks-gaza-aid-whos-behind-them-whos-suffering/

It's like you said, every accusation is a confession.
1 up, 4w
It really shows your cluelessness to even read or to acknowledge what i say, but to only have a passim attack when it comes to something that people like you dont like to see. I just love how you always double down on the constant lies the Jihad wants you to think. Also, unlike when Israelis block aids, almost always are they forced to lave unlike Hamas, when they block or steal the aid, it always ends with a Hamas victory to the point, a separate Palestinian militia in Gaza has to be formed to protect them.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-clans-factions-step-protect-gaza-aid-sources-say-2024-03-19/
Also, i hope you know more than 50% of aid to Gaza comes from Israel themselves
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-237-aid-trucks-entered-north-gaza-in-past-9-days-ending-2-week-blockage/
Also, in another unrelated note, a hostage was once found in a Palestinian home
https://www.timesofisrael.com/under-a-rug-in-gazan-home-idf-troops-found-shaft-leading-to-bodies-of-4-hostages/
Oh yeah, your just going to continue calling them propaganda, because you will always claim, "B-b-but if Israel said it, its fake" when more than half your sources is when Hamas claimed it. Honestly, im getting tired debunking brain dead arguments, none of us are going to give in to either side, you wont budge to the truth, and i wont budge to your blatant Jihad propaganda.
1 up, 1mo,
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Ok, first of all, if a fact is a fact, yes, just because its about someone who is evil, its still a fact. That does not justify his actions. And so we didnt, justify his actions. Man, you just proved my quote, "Facts itself is not in your peoples dictionary." He did not intend this to be a good thing, he intended this to be a fact. Now honestly, hy am i arguing with you on something that you dont even understand, as no amount of education can help your delusional mind.
Ah, yes, you called my videos fake, and yet you cry when i call your "Sources" rightfully propaganda, and made up. You have no right to call anyone's sources, made up. And in fact, all your sources can now be summarized by made up bullsh*t made by Jihadist propagandist, you couldn't accept the truth. Just like you. "hey just happened to be getting the camera out, and just conveniently wandered into a child’s bedroom and went to a couple of conveniently placed bags to see a Mein Kampf book and weaponry. Definitely don’t think about it for more than 5 seconds, they definitely didn’t just place it there." Honestly, i dont even need to say anything to show how dumb this claim is. Soldiers are often required now a days to have go pro on them, to see what happened if they were accused of a crime, or if they were to die in combat, and the IDF isn't the only army that uses this. So obviously, when they raided these homes, they found the Mein Kampf books in camera, sorry, the word isnt the Jihad Lala land, you want it to be. This is reality. If IDF soldiers placed it their, where your proof? Why is the copy in Arabic, and not in Hebrew? As last time i checked, the common language IDF soldiers use are Hebrew. You bold accusations are not helping your arguments, a child can break down your lies. In fact, your lies are being exposed, and debunked in an industrial scale, so dont even try to use your other Jihad sources, you have, because its not hard to make propaganda sources, but its not hard to debunk it with common sense. Also, im going to continue this reply, showing the blanton lies and atrocities Hamas has committed against their own civilians, and the world.
1 up, 4w,
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Holy shit. Are there any sources that aren’t “Jihad sources” to you? Because I went out of my way to cite non-Arabic non-pro-Palestine sources, and you still use the same thought terminating cliche of “it said something I didn’t like, so it’s Jihad.” Could you please at least elaborate further on why what I cited was “Jihad sources”?

In no world other than the Zionist La la land (yes I’m using your own insult against you, clap now) is The Guardian and Washington Post a Jihad source. In fact, I’d say it’s quite the opposite usually.

If you think that they are Jihad sources because they say stuff you don’t want to hear, then you should also call Haaretz a Jihad source, because it once outright called “Israel” a settler-colonial state. Just know that if you do, then I have every excuse to ever exist not to take you seriously.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2016-09-13/ty-article/.premium/israel-is-a-settler-colonial-state-and-thats-ok/0000017f-ef06-d3be-ad7f-ff2f4f750000

Go ahead, call it Jihad all you want.

Also “why is it in Arabic, but not Hebrew?” Are you legitimately trying to claim that the IDF couldn’t get their hands on an Arabic copy of it for their fake video? Come on, man.

Also I see that you haven’t responded to my comment on “Israelis” celebrating the death of a Palestinian baby, so just know that I’m still waiting.
1 up, 4w,
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I dont know why you thought that taking what i already stated to have a slight "point" was necessary, as it is the truth if your wondering. Also, i like how you still tried to double down on how IDF soldiers staged it, when i asked you for proof, and it seems, you havnt gave, because you know damn well, their is no proof to back up your claims. Also, i dont give a damn, if you copied me, all it shows is how desperate you are at having a point. Also, i wouldnt be talking about how "I call everything Jihad sources", while you proceed to call all my sources Zionist propaganda, because all its doing is counteracting your counterargument. Honestly, the only purpose you are here is to be Imgflips main Circus clown. And as i said, the news source is not from the Jihad, but the person who writes in favor of terrorism, is a Jihadist, as they are corrupting their minds. Also, that would mean Haaretz is a traitor as these are what you would claim, if your reliable sources started stating something, remotly pro Israeli. Honestly, i dont know why im arguing with you. You are the sole definition of, Its hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it is damn near impossible to win against a dumb person.
1 up, 4w,
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While I didn't provide direct evidence that the video was staged, I pointed out the many different times in the past the IDF has been caught lying or doctoring footage, which you still haven't tried to argue against btw. I also pointed out how the claim the IDF is pushing is ridiculous, and how the footage is so obviously faked.

They were actively talking into the camera when going through the house, just to "conveniently" go into a children's room with a "conveniently" placed bag that "conveniently" had something that would dehumanize the Palestinian family that just had their house bombed. I've heard of stories of cops planting drugs on someone that are less obvious.
 
"And as i said, the news source is not from the Jihad, but the person who writes in favor of terrorism, is a Jihadist, as they are corrupting their minds."

Welp, there we have it. A tacit acknowledgement that the "evil Jihad sources" is when the person writing the article expresses a viewpoint that I don't like.

I don't ever want you to see decrying me or any of my fellow people who stand in solidarity with the Palestinians for calling sources we don't like Hasbara ever again.
1 up, 4w
1. you literally do claim that any source that you dont like to see as "Hasbarah" propaganda and 2. You are not in solidarity to Palestinians, you are glazing Hamas and supporting their actions when even Palestinians are currently hating them as well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60173481
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1706106277-palestinian-civilians-protest-against-hamas-in-gaza
Also another thing to note, do you know the PLO? The original Palestinian resistance group? Yeah, their also against Hamas.
https://www.benzinga.com/news/23/10/35258592/palestinian-leader-voices-criticism-of-hamas-official-news-agency-later-retracts-controversial-remar
Even the current Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas also expression his Dis support for Hamas.
https://palwatch.org/page/36841
So what's next, you Ganna call the Palestinian president a Zionist Hasbarah scum? Cause i will beat my kidney for it, as I've seen this with another one of your Pro Genocide stream moderators.
"I also pointed out how the claim the IDF is pushing is ridiculous, and how the footage is so obviously faked." Your claiming its obviously "fake", yet no valid proof to back this up, besides what the Jihad wants you to think, and no, the IDF has not staged videos, but Hamas has been caught staging anti Israel videos and claims.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/israel-attacks-video-disinformation.html
https://nypost.com/2025/01/25/world-news/hamas-propaganda-video-showing-smiling-hostages-condemned-by-idf-cruelty/
1 up, 4w,
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Actually, you know what? I'll do one better than my previous comment. Here is an article from the TIMES OF ISRAEL talking about the far-right celebrating the deaths of innocent children.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch-far-right-israelis-celebrate-gaza-kids-deaths/

This also runs counter to the Zionist narrative of "Israelis" being the true victims, yet here it is, posted by a source you yourself cited as a counterargument against me.

Go on, call it a Jihad source like you usually do.

While you're at it, here is Shin Bet confirming that Gaza workers in "Israel" weren't trying to spy for Hamas. A narrative that also runs counter to what "Israel" tries to propagate. This is coming from two of the sources you previously cited in this thread, btw.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-shin-bet-debunks-idea-that-gazan-workers-spied-en-masse-for-hamas-pre-oct-7/

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1709813238-shin-bet-dismisses-allegations-of-gazan-workers-spying-for-hamas-before-oct-7-report

Go on, call it Jihad! I know that's the only tired argument that you have now.
1 up, 4w,
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You know, you should start reading the sources, before you start your brain dead accusations. Because, i can bet that the only thing that you did, was scroll until you found something that was remotely that can be seen as "Pro Palestinian". Also, these news outlets don't write for themselves, they need people to write it, for them to publicize it, so if the person who writes it, is spreading propaganda, he is a Jihadist, trying to spread more Jihad propaganda. You clearly have no idea about what's going on, it very much shows. Also, yeah, the accusations that Israelis were "celebrating" the death of a Gazan child is more fake than anything, and before you even say anything, here is a link of Gazans rooting for a second October 7th, and cheering for the deaths of Israelis:
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Gazans+root+for+a+second+October+7th&mid=1BFE4313731D7375191F1BFE4313731D7375191F&mmscn=stvo&FORM=VIRE
https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns
Go ahead, call them Zionist, Hasbarah propaganda, the only thing your accomplishing is your hypocrisy. But hey, when it comes to a Jihadist like you, you will do whatever it can to try to not only play the victims, but try their very best to twist the truth.
1 up, 4w,
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All this is saying is that a few lone individual laborers just *might* have cooperated with Hamas, nothing about them as a whole doing it, unlike what "Israel" wants you to believe.

Also come on, now. Are you really going to pull the "ARABS CELEBRATE JEWISH DEATHS" card on me? If that's the game you want to play, then sure.

Don't act like you yourselves celebrate death of civilians in this conflict.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch-far-right-israelis-celebrate-gaza-kids-deaths/

In fact, it's so amusing to some of you that you even decide to get your popcorn out for it.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20140711-israelis-watch-air-strikes-gaza-it-was-piece-cinema

But since cinema is kind of old-fashioned in "Israeli" society nowadays, they decide to also post themselves on TikTok celebrating. Funnily enough, a lot of this footage is being used to charge "Israel" with genocide.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-811847

What I'm trying to say is that "Israelis" celebrate Palestinian deaths. And unlike Palestinians celebrating "Israeli" deaths, this is actually quite common.

https://www.facebook.com/palplusenglish/videos/1937874906229519/?hc_ref=ARRFqQIAXr_BgFtORgepoHR67kbXnwSqIthr9dcGCdvfb1f8-xaZyoCDglDK6jw5oT4

Even among the supposedly "most moral army in the world"

https://x.com/basemn63/status/915837568935251968?mx=2
1 up, 4w
Man, i called out your hypocrisy to the teeth, as instead of calling out the many of Gazan civilians who are pretty much doing the exact same thing you are accusing Israelis of, in fact, you are encouraging such actions. Honestly, i can sum up your entire argument.
If Israelis do it: Terrible people, they are terrorists
If Palestinians do the exact same thing: Goof job, you are the resistance.
Honestly, im impressed that i called out your hypocrisy before you even replied, man i can read Pro Palestinians like a book. Also, i made a meme a long time aga, that again can sum up this entire brain dead argument:
imgflip.com/i/8ozq5c
Man will this meme never age terribly.
"All this is saying is that a few lone individual laborers just *might* have cooperated with Hamas, nothing about them as a whole doing it, unlike what "Israel" wants you to believe" Weren't you trying to debunk the whole thing, and when i show you otherwise, you try to play it out as if you never stated that? Alsos i never celebrated the deaths of any civilians, unlike you. Who try to sugar coat the hole thing by trying to accuse others of what you are currently doing.
1 up, 4w
For context, Shin Bet is literally one of "Israel"'s security agencies. So, there is no idea more hilarious than calling it of all things a "Jihad source."
1 up, 1mo,
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And even if somehow, the Mein Kampf bullshit was actually real, then here’s also footage of “Israelis” CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF A PALESTINIAN BABY. IN PUBLIC, DURING A WEDDING CEREMONY.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/177wzzq/shocking_footage_from_israeli_jewish_wedding/

So unless you’re going to say that they also deserve to be airstriked, given that this is even worse than possessing the book spouting a murderous ideology, then I don’t want to hear it. Right now, you and your fellow Hasbarists are grasping at straws looking for an excuse to kill innocent civilians. If you don’t like hearing that, then stop doing it.
1 up, 4w,
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Ok, 1. I dont know why you are quoting Israel, when it very much is a real country, that is recognized by over 172 countries and is part of the UN, and before you state, that your trying to call them terrorists, (when anyone with common sense knows that their not), i dont even call actual Hamas terrorists as "Hamas". Now i already debunked something equivalent like this, so i dont have to waste my time here, but we are not "Hasbarists", oh, and werent you crying about me calling you a Jihadist? Yet here you are calling us as "Hasbarists"? Man, every accusation that Pro Palestinians make are secretly a confession. We are not looking for a reason to kill civilians, unlike people like you, we are here to debunk countless lies about the conflict that you try to push, as you most likely scrolled through countless posts, to see at least 1 meme to seem like a pro Nazi, Pro Genocide meme, when it is not.
1 up, 4w,
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So are you going to respond to my video of "Israelis" cheering on the death of Palestinians or not? Because right now, all you're doing is dancing around acknowledging the footage provided and instead whining about the words I use to describe you guys.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/177wzzq/shocking_footage_from_israeli_jewish_wedding/

In case you somehow didn't see it before, here is footage of "Israelis" cheering on the murder of a Palestinian baby. So unless you can provide reasonable evidence that this is false, I don't want to hear you accuse Palestinians of being the real hateful monsters.
1 up, 4w
I literally did, respond to it, I never knew Anti Zionists are also blind, hmm, seems you guys can't pick a struggle. Also, I showed you countless proof of Palestinians celebrating the deaths of innocent Israelis, why aren't you condemning them? Huh? Oh right, because the people who support the actual terrorists will never admit to their faults, but to only continue to deny and deny over and over again while accusing others of such. So, unless you actually read my sources without being in pure denial, I don't want to hear with your false accusations.
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RANDOM FACT, BEFORE THE NAZIS COMMITTED THE HORRIBLE GENOCIDE ON THE JEWS, THE NAZIS THEMSELVES DEPORTED JEWS TO WHAT’S NOW ISRAELI TERRITORY; EVEN THE NAZIS WANTED THE JEWS TO BE WHERE THEY ARE NOW (MORE OR LESS)