LITHIUM HAZARD DATA

MANY EXPENSIVE FIRE SAFES FOR LITHIUM:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=FIRE+BOX+LITHIUM+DEVICES&ia=web
Might want to round up lithium devices and store them carefully..

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An electric car fire is like 'A TRICK BIRTHDAY CANDLE' — and a NIGHTMARE FOR FIREFIGHTERS

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An electric car fire is like 'a trick birthday candle' — and a nightmare for firefighters
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-regulators-warn-risks-firefighters-100612424.html

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You also know what’s toxic and highly combustible?
Aside from conservatives.

Gas.

Not hate just pointing out the obvious like how gas stations have to have specialized storage containers to be able to keep it safe.

Not to mention stable. Fun fact even in ideal lab conditions gas only has a shelf life of like…3 months.

Although both have risks, LITHIUM is FAR MORE DANGEROUS, requires 'recycling', causes high vehicle weights which destroy roads quicker & wears tires faster. NOT to forget, that many firefighters don't have the SPECIAL EQUIPMENT for dealing with LITHIUM FIRES. Let the Consumer be informed and let them be aware. LITHIUM ISN'T A SAVIOR ELEMENT.

Never claimed it was a “savior element.”

And gasoline literally needs specialized equipment just to store it to put into your car. It even contained lead until the 70s.

True we should better fund fire departments to help deal with electrical fires from EVs but pretending like gas is perfectly harmless is disingenuous and we if you genuinely want safe roads advocate for more rail and public transportation not banning EVs.

ALL ENERGY/FUEL has a risk/reward ratio... gas is better than that of lithium... eventually that
'could' change... but we aren't there yet... Another Important Aspect - INFRASTRUCTURE - gasoline is already established, YET our ANTIQUATED ELECTRIC GRID is INCAPABLE of handling the proposed policies of forcing everyone into a substandard 'dream'.
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No that’s factually false climate change aside lithium based EVs only become a hazard when they get wrecked (same for gas cars.) or someone does something stupid like put a wet towel on a charging cable. (Tesla owners aren’t the sharpest knives in the crayon box.)

And before you bring up spontaneous combustion ICB cars do that too especially when their oil doesn’t get changed regularly.

Add in the fact were gravely concerned about co2 emissions and it only gets worse as did you know over half of sea based transportation is transporting fossil fuels.

We’re literally cooking the planet just to transport fuel.

several PhDs differ with your 'flawed' premise, Princeton prof says ...
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Care to actually cite that person instead of a meme?

Also you brought up EVs being heavier and harder on the roads than icbs. I’m curious would you be okay with banning SUVs and trucks like the ford raptor which vastly exceeds those weights of averageEVs for average consumers unless they have a CDL?

Probably not.

And again do you advocate for better public transportation options such as busses, rail, and high speed rail?

If not then this all just concern trolling over the environment and you don’t actually care about the dangers of lithium based tech or the environment you just hate EVs because you were told to.

human c02 emissions are miniscule, one volcano is more than all of humanity has ever done.
also, we are in a c02 drought.

considering historical values.*

"high" co2 is good for the earth, allowing plants to thrive and wildlife to flourish, it going back up is a good thing.

Okay that’s just flat out a lie.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=co2+levels+for+the+last+6+million+years&source=desktop&summary=1&summary_og=03f272dce47a7c9052c042

CO2 Levels Over 6M Years
Based on the search results, here is a summary of CO2 levels for the last 6 million years:

Ordovician period (500 million years ago): CO2 concentrations were extremely high, ranging from 3000 to 9000 ppm.
Phanerozoic eon (541 million years ago to present): CO2 levels fluctuated, with periods of high concentrations and others of lower levels. During the Pliocene era (3 million years ago), CO2 levels were similar to today’s, ranging from 300 to 400 ppm. Temperatures were 2-3°C (3.6-5.4°F) above pre-industrial levels, and sea levels were 15-25 meters higher.
Mid-Pliocene (3 million years ago): CO2 concentrations were around 300-400 ppm, with temperatures 2-3°C (3.6-5.4°F) above pre-industrial levels and sea levels 15-25 meters higher.
Oligocene era (33-23 million years ago): CO2 levels dropped to around 1000 ppm, with temperatures still 4-6°C (7.2-10.8°F) higher than today.
Pre-industrial era (before 1800s): CO2 levels were around 280 ppm.
Industrial era (1800s-present): CO2 levels have increased rapidly, with the global average setting a new record high in 2023 at 419.3 ppm. The annual rate of increase is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases.

I didn’t ask for a copy paste I asked for the source. (Ie a link.)

Wait hold on even in your copy pasta your wrong.

It literally says pre Industrial Revolution our climate was at 280ppm and now we’re at 419.3ppm because of unnatural causes by 100 times.

“Pre-industrial era (before 1800s): CO2 levels were around 280 ppm.
Industrial era (1800s-present): CO2 levels have increased rapidly, with the global average setting a new record high in 2023 at 419.3 ppm. The annual rate of increase is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases”

yes, historically we are in a co2 drought

Then post the source. prove it.

no, it is a fact

also, if you really wanted to "save the planet" why don't you start with china? they have the most emissions by far

Funny enough I’ve actually been to China and their EV charging network in even poorer provinces puts ours to shame.

And they are moving to renewables.
Unlike America which has a voting block of people like you who it doesn’t matter what reason to change you come up with will reject it full force because they’ve been told to buy corporate media.

Also source to your claims about us being in a co2 drought?

this was easy to find

and yet no link.

Oh also in regard to the grid being unable to handle it part of the charging infrastructure bills/plans was upgrading the grid to handle the increased load. Which also benefits non ev users as the grid gets upgraded to be more durable and easier to maintain in case of damage.

it's my understanding that despite it's name, the "infrastruture" bill .... has yet to show much if any results.The grid update? That has historically been pushed down to the individual operators, that's why it's still in such shabby shape. - LOBBYISTS - Unfortunately, it's not a simple fix... we are looking at decades? to modenize/shield the grid from EMP/CME or other risks? ... Also much of the equipment is not locally manufactured... yet another bottleneck.

What are you talking about I’m referring to the dots charging infrastructure plans not bridge plans and also no that’s not true most of that equipment IS produced in America per the DoT and Biden’s instructions to minimize foreign equipment to maximize American economic impact where did you get that?

BTW: If you haven't seen "Grid Down, Power Up" - Dennis Quaid, I would suggest it...

Really….your citing a Hollywood actor known for his conservative bias and infatuation with Reagan…the irony is to thick I couldn’t cut it with a saw.

Still waiting on the PHD source.

Still noticing you didn’t cite that phd as a source.

Is it because you made it up?

Hey thank you for a 'spirited' exchange, I hope we've both learned somthing
Further links below.

Instinctual knee-jerk reaction, Don't Learn from Opposing Viewpoints?

You might want to start 'FACT CHECKING" both sides of an issue?

I've watched Al Gore's mess "An Inconvient Truth", most was fear-mongering pathos, yet I had another viewpoint to consider.

CHINA BUILDS A NEW COAL-FIRED POWER PLANT PER WEEK.... hardly a bastion of "green" - Also it has been argued that a large part of "climate crisis" mentality is designed to favor non-US countries ability to better compete against our INFLATED ENERGY COSTS.

Princeton Professor William HAPPER - https://youtu.be/U-9UlF8hkhs?t=141
Interview before climate became so incrediblly Politicized/'Worshiped'.

$7.5 Billion In Federal Funds Yield Only 8 EV Charging Stations
www.autoweek.com/news/a60702457/federal-funds-yield-only-8-ev-charging-stations/