There are only two genders
God isn't real
There isn't an afterlife
You shouldn't automatically have to respect and confirm to everybody's opinions for the sake of validation
Murder isn't objectively evil as there is no such thing as objective good and evil
Life is meaningless
That's actually a good thing
Love is an illogical concept

Damn.

gotta get the right wording

lol, I watched Dina on superstore explain it and I just quoted her

cool

*murders you because it doesnt matter

That's fair
The other infinite possibilities don't matter much
But again I don't think the raindrop did something specifically with purpose. It simply happened, not for any reason in particular but for the fact that it did.

This reminds me of people overanalyzing literature.
One might say "the curtains are blue to represent the authors deep depression as well as sadness with his predicament" without even stopping to consider that the curtain may just be blue.

fair. But literature can be under- analyzed as well. You cant tell if the raindrop had meaning or not until after its effects has been shown to the full. Also bringing it back to literature, we are actually having another type of debate its just dressed up a bit different so in the end it comes back to 2 things.
1. The real problem has nothing to do with how we view the book. It revolves around who is the author?

2. the second thing is we cant know if that raindrop had meaning or not until its effects end. So if we want to know if life has meaning, we simply have to wait until the end of it for the answer.

True.

And indeed, nothing can be known for 100 certainty until whatever reckoning befalls us in death

I simply believe that in the case that there is nothing but oblivion after death, which seems most likely to me, I should live as full and rich a life as I can, even if not for any other purpose or meaning. Circling back to the original topic at hand, and my Absurdist mindset. Just because we do not know if a passage in the book has any particular meaning does not mean we can't enjoy the book. And the book is life in this case. Rolling the boulder up the hill for the task itself, not any objective purpose, only for it to roll back down in death so to speak

meaningless does not equal not worth living

ah but it doesnt change anything if you are alive or not. Also you cant use ¨meaningless¨ and ¨worth¨ in the same sentence.

but of course I can.
and of course, it changes nothing whether we live or not. but why does it have to? just because there is no objective reason or goal in life doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. quite the opposite, life is more enjoyable not bogged down by undeniable purpose. Why not live for the sake of living, while you can? It's all you get, and there are pleasures and pains aplenty to be had

because they dont mean anything. Live for the sake of living but there is no sake of it. No person on the planet has ever described their purpose as ¨bogged down.

I'm just talking about living and still being able to appreciate the inconsequential details. perhaps living for the simple joy of playing video games and listening to music, because it doesn't have to matter. there doesn't HAVE to be a purpose to anything. and that's something that's difficult to come to terms with I understand

wait why am i gonna argue about something with someone who doesn't believe in meaning or purpose. Its literally not possible. Cant find common ground if they think that they are in the churning waves. Nice conversation but im done with it

hehe ok
I agree, fun conversation
I'm not necessarily trying to change any minds, just speaking my mind, you don't have to listen if you don't want :/

yeah its fine its just not gonna go anywhere due to the nature of the content

Fair enough
I'm very interested to hear your thoughts though
Just bored, debate is enjoyable even if nobody will change

well i agree but it cant be a debate if you dont believe in purpose. Like how does an opinion matter if there is no purpose. The fact that there is some purpose or meaning to the universe is the cornerstone of logic and reasoning. You cant assume one without the other. How will you assert that order and logic are possible if all the things mean nothing. Take for example money. If i print money on my home printer, what is it worth? Nothing. Why? Because it has no value behind it. Logic is similar, its tells us something happens because another thing happens, however if you remove the idea that there is a purpose or meaning then anything could happen without a plan. Therefore logic and reasoning need meaning and purpose in order to be possible. So how is it that you could have a logical debate with the logic needed?

as you know I don't necessarily agree. for one thing, I don't think opinions matter because that's just what they are. opinions. even so, it is enjoyable to discuss them but I digress. trying to assign meaning to something that has not proved meaningful is in of itself, I would think, illogical. the cornerstone of our logic and reasoning is the simple ability to think and be conscious in the first place, not necessarily that there is a meaning to everything. logic is our way of ORDERING the CHAOTIC I think. The chaotic being life. Our human minds really love patterns, and predictability. logic is a way to come to terms with meaninglessness, and I don't think it is dependant on having it. I believe that the simple fact that we are each bringing forth our own thoughts on the matter is all that constitutes to a logical debate.

conform*

we hit the reply limit lol. Also since we are arguing a binary issue (is there meaning y/n) one of the opinions is correct. Also does logic not exist without us? if we all died would the natural process not work the same? Does logic stop simply because we are not looking? Also how could meaningless beings come up with the idea of meaning? Can you also see into the fourth dimension? No. In the same way, a being with no purpose could not feel purpose. Logic works beyond consciousness because it worked before we were around ( or the other explanation is that there is another conscious and that conscious is God and that is why logic has always worked but nevermind that ).

Lmao yeah
Sorry I was eating, late response
Anyways I view logic as far less of a "tangible" thing for lack of a better word. I think it's more of a theoretical concept than the machinations of the universe. Physics do not necessarily equal logic, but our logical thinking has allowed us to understand more about physics. The how. I see it as an intelligent beings ability to reason rather than fact or anything objective. So, if all intelligent life were gone, there would be no logic in that definition as there is nothing left to think.
Meaningless beings we may be, (obviously still in my opinion, don't know anything with 100% certainty and I don't think we ever can), we still have extremely complex brains that can be too smart for our own good. We, being arguably the most intelligent beings on the planet by a landslide, are so attached to our reason that I believe it is difficult if not impossible to comprehend something without meaning for some. Think of the old mythologies, explanations for thunder, rain, lightning, fire, rainbows. Of lightning strikes being born from thorns hammer mjolnir, or rainbows being the bridge to Asgard. All made by people, and seem ridiculous now that we have advanced in science. There is a pattern here, of us humans being uncomfortable with not knowing something, then fabricating a meaning to make us feel secure.

logic is any order of things that work in a specified manner. So logic is not physics however physics is logic. also just being cynical for the fun of it but we didnt actaully disprove any of those mythologies, we just explained how they work. The greek gods could be sitting up there controlling the weather and the way that we view their powers is through science ( dont believe that, just saying). Also why is directly related to how. If there is not a why that the universe came to be then there cannot be a how. The thing or being that created us, created with a purpose ( the mere act of creating something gives it value beyond what it would be if you didnt) . so the fact that we are here is evidence enough that there is meaning to us being here

Fair enough

I ask this question however.

Can you tell me how it rains?
Okay, that's simple enough.
But why did that raindrop land in my eye? Was there any particular meaning behind the fact that water got in my eyes? And if there isn't, that means you can't know how that happened either by that logic

yes there is . Now i am not god himself so i cant tell you that meaning but yes there was

How do you know

simple. Butterfly effect.
everything that happens to you will influence you. So that small raindrop did something that will lead to another. And that is called design. Becuase that raindrop can influence you and everything around you it had a purpose.

Interesting idea
True, that raindrop can influence things, all it takes is a single nother drop to make some water spill off the top of a coin.
But I don't see how that necessarily gives the raindrop meaning. The drop simply fell, and it affected. Were it another scenario, the drop would have acted differently.

Ever looked at my template? the quote at the bottom. ¨There is not what could have been but only what is¨. It doesnt matter the 10000000000 other ways it COULD have fell because it fell in this certain way. Thats what the idea of purpose is, something happening for a reason in a certain way to achieve a goal.

“Love is illogical” tell me u don’t have a gf without telling me

LMAO fr
but like I don't even want one
I'm biased against it because I can't feel love
People loving me aint the problem here

Clearly

Future war criminal right there

Perhaps
How so

The fact that you’re incapable of feeling love is psychologically concerning

Agreed
But I ain't too worried about it
Though yeah probably not good

Like do u love ur mum and dad, wait let me guess, you’re an orphan

Nah, I have both my parents even though they are split
But no
I do not love them
Platonic, romantic, whatever, I don't even comprehend

You should before someone gets hurt

Hm.

I actually fear, not for you, I fear for the people in your life you could hurt if this gets any worse

Makes sense
I mean I'm pretty sure I'm not a psychopath
I don't enjoy hurting people or anything
I just don't really care
Forgor the difference between psychopath and sociopath

Yeah u need help

Idk man
It's hard to even know if anything is wrong or needs changed
Like I respect my dad for example pretty much the most
But I realized if every single person I know, friends, family, pets, everybody, died right now terribly and tragically I would never shed a tear or really care all that mucn

Well u can tell u smth wrong

Maybe
Hard to explain but with how hard it is to care about really anything I especially don't care too much about my situation

A psychopath has no conscience, a sociopath knows what they’re doing is wrong but just doesn’t care

Ah
I see

Ur showing clear signs of a sociopath

Damn
That's probably bad ig

Nahhh really

Maybe

Maybe u should talk to someone in person abt this, they can help u

It's weird though I feel fine
Like this is normal life for me, this all feels natural if yk what I mean
I've been considering talking to a professional but I just don't know