The Scroll Of Truth

Made an account just to downvote this trash 😂

so gods word and obvious opinions are trash to you?

I could say that about a lot of biased liberal memes that have no proof to back them up. but when I show you the exact wordage of the bible, and precisely how most people in the LGBTQ community would react if they read it, it is trash?

besides, it's just a meme

dogshit tbh

listen, people, all of the old testament rules on sacrifices or rituals (like eating grasshoppers) no longer matter, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, it says so in the bible. but simple moral code must be followed, god didn't say not eating grasshoppers is detestable or that it was an abomination in his eyes, but he did say that sleeping with another man was

Hebrews 10:18 "And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary."

Hebrews also talks about rituals being unnecessary (like eating grasshoppers)

Ahhhhh okay, so no-one has to kill any of their lambs in the temple anymore, and no-one's gotta be eating no grasshoppers. But God still finds it disgusting if you lie with a man as you lie with a woman, or you eat pork, or hare, or sit where a woman who's had her period in the past week has sat?

for some reason, I can't comment on your oversized rant so I'm commenting here.

I believe you have misplaced where I stand. never did I say gays were rapers, or that they did it more than straights (I don't know how that would be true), and I never said that gay people have no place in the church, in fact, I believe it's very important we welcome LGBTQ to repent and join the church and am also comfortable talking to the more sane ones. now the fact that I have shown you something god hates that is today openly excepted and you refuse to treat it as a sin and instead tell me I am wrong with no actual proof but the fact that you think god will forgive it is foolish. and he will forgive it, but only if they repent. now let's say no one hears this, then god might forgive them without them repenting, but since there are tons of people trying to get the word out and it is having no effect, those who do not repent and convert back to how they should be will most likely go down when they die. also, contrary to your belief, I have interacted with gays on a daily basis, and they all seem like either they are posers who want attention or they are mentally ill. The fact that all of this hype for it is making kids make decisions they can't undo is terrible.

also, a really big percentage of gays are atheist, I assume because they don't want god to tell them what to do

I didn't mean for it to be a rant. I'm trying to listen and understand you, and I hope I'm not coming across as angry or prideful because I'm not.

I'm sorry I misunderstood, but when you asked what the story of the people of Sodom indicated about gay people, it just sounded like that was your best frame of reference.

It saddens me that you think gays are either attention seeking or insane. Would you mind if I asked you to tell me more about this view?
I can understand how people see people who practice gay pride as attention seeking, but the flamboyance and enthusiasm is in reality a way of combatting and alleviating the shame which is put upon us.
But could you tell me more about the gays you speak to being mentally ill? Illness has many forms, what sort of illness do you see in these people?

does god say he hates it when you eat pork or hare, or sit in... that place? I doubt so, but he does say that he hates it when you sleep with a man, because, for obvious reasons it is wrong.

in other translations, it even uses other strong words to describe God's hatred of sleeping with a man

so My conclusion is, I do not want to be caught doing things god hates, do you? but I'm not to worried about eating pork or... the other thing, because those mostly have to do with spiritual cleanliness and diet, and aren't necessarily sin.

Romans chapter 9 verse 29 says "Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea, “Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before.”"

I think if he's capable of loving the gentiles whom he didn't love before, he's capable of being at least ambivalent about the gays whom he despised.
I think if a verse in Hebrews pretty much invalidates the entirety of the book of Leviticus it's petty to use two verses from it to spread hate.
I think if God cared that much about homosexual practices he would have taken care to mention it again at some point in the past 3000 years, and not just leave the entire burden on Moses.
And I think we should put our effort into spreading love, and put away words of hate. Because God is love.

You make me laugh (I'm not joking that was very stereotypical of you). so you're telling me, that in a time when there were no gays, God, who already said that he despised homosexuality, had to have mentioned it again later, even though it is clearly wrong and not something anyone was really worried about? The only stories we have about homosexuality in the bible are about men being super drunk and breaking down doors to do it with holy people, what does that tell you about gay people? the funniest part is that the man that was hosting the holy ones literally gave the men his daughters to avoid such a terrible act.

As a result of thinking about your response I did some quick research into the statistics of abuse, and actually I'm going to start with that because I think it's interesting, please let me know what you think of it!
out of interest I looked up here whether there was a difference between sexual abuse statistics for straights and gays, and while "Data from studies using a variety of psychological measures do not indicate that gay people are more likely than heterosexuals to possess any psychological characteristics that would make them less capable of controlling their sexual urges, refraining from the abuse of power, obeying rules and laws, interacting effectively with others, or exercising good judgment in handling authority. As explained elsewhere on this site, sexual orientation is not a mental illness nor is it inherently associated with impaired psychological functioning." (https://lgbpsychology.org/html/facts_molestation.html) I found out that domestic abuse is statistically more common in gay relationships - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29994648 - the articles I read about it suggest that the reason for this statistic is at least in part a result of internalised shame and self-hatred - so if i can convince you to stop trying to spread hate for gays, we might be able to make the world less violent.

I urge you to take a path of acceptance, forgiveness and love.
I believe you have had little interaction with gay people and your understanding of what it means to be gay is not an accurate representation of how the vast majority of gay people choose to live. I think if you understood more you would see that there is just as much love, respect, hygiene, laughter, humanity, faith, humility in a good gay relationship as there is in a good straight relationship.

Jesus welcomed sinners, gave them comfort, treated them with respect. He did not hate, and he did not shame, but he preached love. He told us to love.

What you seem to be taking as a true account of how average gay people act, I find straightforwardly unbelievable. I find it very difficult to see what spiritual guidance I should be taking from this story.
'Don't rape' seems an obvious moral, but the story ends with the unpunished rape of a blood relative so it seems to once again be too far removed from what i understand of moral behaviour to be useful to me.
'Do exactly what God instructs' is perhaps another moral to take, but seeing as he has more recently sent his only Son to us as the ultimate sacrifice for all sins; and in doing so repealed his previous instructions; we're back in the situation where either we're ignoring whichever of God's instructions doesn't seem relevant to today's standards of moral goodness, or we're eating grasshoppers.

I have a few things I think is worth discussing further in what you've said.

You claim the messiah walked on earth at a time when there were no gays. I believe there has never been a time where there were no gays in the world. For the majority of civilisation being gay was brutally punished which has made it difficult people to be openly gay, so it has gone unseen and unreported.

'What does that tell you about gay people?' It tells us nothing about any gay people other than the people of Sodom who did this act. You mustn't think that the behaviour of these rapists represents or defines anybody living today. Being gay does not mean you want to have sex with strangers. It doesn't mean you cannot have a meaningful, trusting, loving physical relationship with somebody.
Anybody is capable of sexual abuse - straights, gays, anybody. (here's where i did the above research :) )

I do think that if God was repealing the laws he had previously given to Moses (Don't eat pork/hare, sacrifice animals to god regularly, pierce a slave's ear if they refuse to accept freedom etc) then he would have made certain to explicitly state that we mustn't therefore think that we can have sex with members of the same sex just because we no longer are expected to eat grasshoppers. If it meant that much to him.

I do also find it difficult to fully accept the story you reference as literally true. Here's a summary of it:

The city is full of sinners, so God sends angels to tell the only good man that it's going to be destroyed - this does make me wonder why we don't ever see angels in the modern world but it doesn't push the boudaries of belief so much.
Next every single man in the city comes to his house to have group sex with these two strangers. God destroys the entire city by a process that transforms the observer into salt. Then, for unspecified fears, the survivors abandon the city they escaped to, and went to live in a cave, where the daughters raped the father, became pregnant and each of those children went on to single handedly found an entire tribe.