Announcement due to the recent harassment of furry enjoyers

Oh but here’s where your wrong
I don’t mean furries attracted to irl furries
I mean furries attracted to furry art
And don’t give the excuse that furrys are people in suits
That’s not the case with furry art
Mostly if not all the time furry art is just a animal and not a person in a suit
Why else would it have breast, dicks, and other gentinals
And like I said it’s all about the mindset
If doesn’t matter if you don’t rape animals
It’s still zoophilia if your attracted to them

And to close I’m not saying all furries are Zoophiles but only the ones who are attracted to furry art
I personally know some furries who aren’t attracted to furry art and never was and I’m cool with them

With this I’m not against furries but I’m against zoophiles

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Same reason you are

I’m only here cuz I got a notif

Same

soul?

oh him
why?

I mean I'll be honest first of all the image doesn't make you look like a intelligent man in a formal manner, not saying your stupid n all.

Plus, never said I was attracted to them, nor stated anywhere that I was at all.

Yet you seem to just ignore whatever people have to say and think you have the superior opinion so whatever.

1: I do it cuz I’m bored

2: “It’s come to the attention that some people like me have been being called a zoophile for simply liking furry ass.”

You just said people like you have been called a Zoophile for liking furry ass

This saying you like furry ass

Meaning your attracted to furrys

But I'm not in it cause its an animal.
I'm in it because its just a person. And thus, sure, you have a fair point, but that doesn't mean I'm in it solely cause it's an animal, I'm not that sick.

The fact your attracted to it means you like furry porn

If I showed you a 6yo’s ass, would you be attracted?
No because your not a pedophile

No shit I'm not a pedo.

Exactly
But you like furry ass making you a zoophile

And why do you think that may I ask?

I’ve been saying why this whole argument 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

And I've been trying to say otherwise also lmao

And I’ve back saying countering you 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Bro this argument is never going to end 💀

Yea because we are both stubborn af.

Plus saying that you counter something makes it sound like you think you're winning.

Which makes you egotistical.

Which only makes it full of yourself.

Plus to counter the "Why else would it have breast, dicks, and other gentinals"

Well... they are RELATED to humans in a way, so I'm just gonna assume that they'd have those factors.
I'm not sure who gave those to em anyways but I always censor it.

"And to close I’m not saying all furries are Zoophiles but only the ones who are attracted to furry art"
So are you saying ALL furry art that people like non sexual or not makes us zoophiles? If so, you may need to check your facts again.

To basically end off this, lemme give you a good example of someone in the Furry community answering the question of "Are furries zoophiles" from Quora, word to word.

"They might like anthropomorphic art, they might feel a spiritual connection to animals, they might just like dressing up. For example, I used to call myself a furry, because when I was a kid I went to a sanctuary for wolves in need of rehabilitation and had what I describe as a spiritual experience there when every wolf in the place howled simultaneously in response to a sound I made (making our guide jealous because he had already attempted to get them to do it with no success, which was what prompted me to try in the first place). I would never, EVER, even consider the idea of having sex with a wolf.
Second, “furry porn” isn’t usually about the animals part. An animal is considered to be unable to have rational thoughts the way a human does, where things like “consequences” mean something, and they more or less run off of their instincts. This means they don’t have the ability to consent to sex the way humans can. “Furry porn” is (usually) anthropomorphic, which means even though they physically have some resemblance to an animal, they are more human-like. They think, they rationalize, they have conversations, and the most important part, they can understand the consequences of their actions and choose whether to consent or not. (obviously, they’re just drawings so all of that is something that is projected onto them, they are not in fact real)

For example, think of Bugs Bunny (or, if you prefer, Lola Bunny … remember the huge “controversy” over them reducing the sexual appeal of Lola Bunny in the newer Space Jams movie?). He (or she) is technically a bunny, but is able to speak, able to think, able to make decisions and understand the consequences of those decisions, etc. Being attracted to Bugs/Lola Bunny doesn’t automatically make somebody want to grab a random unwilling/unable to consent innocent bunny

Excellent argument
Except one thing

It’s still all about the mindset

Just saying they are drawings and aren’t real doesn’t change anything

Let’s say someone is looking at a ai generated child porn
Now would this be considered pedophilia??
It’s not real, it’s just a drawing 🚶‍♂️

Big news for you
It’s still pedophillia 🤯🤯🤯🤯

And its the same thing with furry porn

I mean, the mindset is usually what can expose a person's true intentions.

Some people are there cause they like it, but aren't extraordinarily weird about it.

Plus, I'll give it a fair point, of course it'll still be pedophilia still.

But thing is, people have drawn furry porn, has people gotten arrested for that? No, because alot of people understand that its just basically humans in another way, plus it's always gonna have the "characters" of the image over 18

And I'm not sure if this HAS happened, but people probably have drawn child porn.
Have people gotten arrested for that? Most likely (because once again. Not sure if something like this happened before) yes.

Because furries are still basically humans, just that the appearance is just a animal in a way, its what someone said, its basically a hybrid.

I mean, if there was a LITERAL image of furry porn where feral animals are getting f**ked, thats when we take action and remove the image and ban someone for it, because we aren't attracted for the ANIMAL part, we're attracted for the HUMAN part of it.

1. People have been arrested for drawing furry porn btw
Because they are still animals

2. yes child porn art does exist and yes people get arrested for it

3. Like you said furrys are humans with an animal appearance
And with porn people aren’t attracted to what’s inside but what’s outside
Which is the animal part

4 you think it’s the human part of it because it’s got dicks tits and shit but it’s on a animal
Animals have dicks and tits

To answer 1:
Then show me a case where that happened then. Not saying I don't believe you, but I at least wanna hear one.

To answer 3:
Yea, some people may be there for whats on the outside, but not EVERYBODY is like that.

To answer 4:
Yea no shit. How do you think they sexually reproduce to begin with?
Its basically Anatomy.

Guh I’m not gonna look through a million of pages of shit to find one article because this shit is mostly hidden and isn’t talked about
You said yourself that your aren’t sure if people have been arrested for drawing child porn because it’s hidden and not like big news
Plus it’s rare for someone to be arrested for either drawing child porn and animal porn because these type of people are the basement dwellers and are excluded from the world so it’s impossible to find these people irl

Yeah that’s true when it comes to in person shit but never porn
People who look at porn never consider the thoughts of the person or whatever in the porn
They are only there for something to jack off to

Hmm... let's see right here.
"Guh I’m not gonna look through a million of pages of shit to find one article because this shit is mostly hidden and isn’t talked about"

Where's the evidence?
Where's the research?
Oh yea, you were too busy using your mind, that's right. You're completely blind to 🌟research🌟
And I'm not saying I don't believe you, but if you are unable to find an example, then it kinda weakens your argument a bit.

"You said yourself that your aren’t sure if people have been arrested for drawing child porn because it’s hidden and not like big news"

Yea, I said I wasn't sure.
But... same thing said from the last one here.

And the last part, it remains the same from what I said.

How the hell am I supposed to find evidence 💀💀💀
I’m not some super computer hacker who can find a specific article with the click of a button
Again I’ve said this is Rare
Is barely happens

It’ll take me hours maybe days to find something like this

And I do my research
Everything I’ve said doesn’t come from nowhere

Look right here, doofus...
I did a while ago

Oh…
Well that’s my fault cuz my notifs are being overflowed and I guess I missed this

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Replying here.
At this point can we just take a break?
I wanna go play with my friends, not finish another hour of arguing with you.

Know what fine I’m tired
Let’s just put this at a pause

What happens when you wanna try to make yourself look like a tough guy on MSMG💀💀💀

I mean tbh I just wanna move on.
We wasted a perfectly good comment section for this lmao

Yeah
I’m surprised I haven’t been banned yet

I didn't wanna look like a coward for the stream I mod.
If I am unable to protect them and not try giving other people a chance to voice their arguments out, then I would be unable to defend myself, and the others.

Like I said, we may like weird things, but we never mean anything serious.

I'm not gonna ban you or anything because you simply have an opinion you wanna say.

Understandable

There. Let's just end it here.
Nobody really won, it was just probably gonna be pointless by tomorrow.

Yeah 💀💀

Aight later.

Really?
Then how come you say it would take DAYS, when I found 3 examples of people being on the news for drawing child pornography, in TWO minutes?

https://www.saltwire.com/prince-edward-island/news/charlottetown-man-caught-with-child-pornography-involving-cartoons-and-drawings-jailed-477525/

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2019/12/06/iowa-sex-offender-drew-child-porn-images-while-jail-facing-separate-new-child-pornography-charges/2621111001/

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/inmates-charged-for-writing-drawing-child-porn/

"Guh I’m not gonna look through a million of pages of shit to find one article because this shit is mostly hidden and isn’t talked about"

You just don't wanna admit you're wrong about your statement.
I actually looked and couldn't find anything, so don't blindly shoot whatever you have without research.

"Plus it’s rare for someone to be arrested for either drawing child porn and animal porn because these type of people are the basement dwellers and are excluded from the world so it’s impossible to find these people irl"

Fair point. I got no arguments there.

"Yeah that’s true when it comes to in person shit but never porn
People who look at porn never consider the thoughts of the person or whatever in the porn
They are only there for something to jack off to"

Yea, at the end of the day, thats just horny for ya.

Look, can we just end the argument already. Let's just come to terms that people may like weird stuff, but it doesn't mean that they are something alot worse then that.

Just cause I look at one pic of a furry dog ass doesn't give me the urge to f**k a real dog in the end. Its that simple statement I was trying to get across.

1 I said it’s rare you’re not going to find it by looking through Google for 5 minutes 💀💀💀

And when I notice I’m wrong about something I’ll admit it
I did just notice that zi has drawn furry porn before so I don’t like her anymore
Yes I can change my opinion on someone that easily
It’s the same if someone close to you said they are a pedophile
You wouldn’t want to be involved with them anymore

And no I don’t want to end the argument so easily
I’m not that simple
I’ll defend myself

1. I've looked through Google for about 20.

Plus, I mean we have the same mindset.
Defend ourselves.

But what conclusion are we ever gonna get where it'll satisfy both of us?
You'll be stubborn to the fact that you're never gonna change.

And I'll be stubborn at the fact that
liking furry ass is not like liking a literal animal ass.

And here's another argument I found to prove that being attracted to furries and being a Zoo are two different things.

"A zoophile is someone who is sexually attracted to real life non-human animals. Real animals can't consent, and that is why zoophilia is dangerous.

Furries, by the other hand, are people who like anthropomorfic characters; mostly, animals with human characteristics (and other fictional creatures as well).

Furry is not inherely sexual, but there's a part of the community who sexualize it, however attraction to anthropomorfic characters is not related to zoophilia.

Sexual attraction to anthropomorfic animals and other fictional characters is considered Schediaphilia, a harmless kink that holds no pathological characteristics.

The characters that furries draw and dress up as, have human intelligence, human facial expressions, a humanoid body, and they are also completely fictional. Things that a real life animals don't have.

Zoophiles are attracted to regular animals, without human traits and no human intelligence.

Sexual furries are attracted fictional creatures that are intelligent and almost human, they just want something more exotic."

Their definition of zoophile was changed to fit their ideals
You can’t find that definition anywhere

Zoophile is someone who’s attracted to animals
Simple as that
Other definitions are just tweaked to fit someone’s ideals

Yes being attracted to fictional characters is Schediaphilia, but it’s only a add on to zoophilia

If you say you can’t just ad it on think of a cartoon child porn
Yeah its pedophillia

And the whole thing with animals can’t give consent because they don’t have intelligence shit like that while furrys do have intelligence and shit doesn’t matter

It’s still just about the mindset
Whatever you say doesn’t change anything

"Yes being attracted to fictional characters is Schediaphilia, but it’s only a add on to zoophilia"

If it was then how come I can't find anything that relates the two in anyway then?

And about your comparison of child porn to furry porn, you don't realize how strict the term for pedophilia is.

Pedophilia is much more identifiable and therefore, its usually called out ALOT.

And I'm not saying the there's never been CP in Furry Porn (as it's most likely happened before), but you don't consider that furry porn is mainly always 18+ characters and not literal children.

The f**k do you mean 💀💀💀
Furry art is fictional
Schediaphilia Is being attracted to fictional things
Being attracted to furry art is just another part of Schediaphilia

Yea. Its Schediaphilia in the end.
Its not linked to anything mental.

Zoophilia, is a psychiatric condition, explained right here.

https://jaapl.org/content/42/4/421#:~:text=Zoophilia%20is%20a%20psychiatric%20condition,important%20concerns%20that%20they%20raise.

Schediaphilia in linked to mental
Mental is anything to do with the mind
Being attracted something has everything to do with the mind
It has nothing to do with the heart
The heart is only there to pump blood in your veins

And I don’t feel like spending 10 minutes reading that shit cuz then you’ll belive I went afk and dropped the conversation

Ok and? I corrected myself.

I mean I wasn't but ok-

Plus, sure, it's linked in the mind.

Why don't you go ask a furry and see if they would f**k a real life animal or not.
Can guarantee that they will say no.

Hell, if they block you for calling them that, its not cause they are scared to admit they are. They are mad at the fact that people only link them to it just cause a few groups of furries did so.

Not all furries are zoophilies, kid.

Ofc they won’t
Yet a lot would say they’d f**k a furry porn art

Yes I know that because they stop listening before they let me explain myself

Have you already forgotten that I said I don’t think all furries are zoophiles 💀💀

I mean I remember that.

But its like, I've also stated multiple times that I wouldn't f**k a dog if I like a furry ass pic.

And I know, I know, you said I only need to be attracted to one. But numerous examples I have shown prove that, it isn't the case if you put thought into it.

Yeah but I’ve countered those points 💀💀💀
How do you keep forgetting 💀💀💀💀

I mean did you really counter or are you just saying shit without researching it?
No harshness but you seem to just repeat yourself more

Yeah I have to repeat myself because you make me because you forget half the stuff I say 💀

Like You go and say I think all furrys are zoophiles when it’s one of the first things I’ve said that I don’t think all furries are zoophiles

Oh yea. And if you're wondering, if you want a reason as to why people think the way you think, you can thank a certain asshole.

Its explained by a furry from Quora.

"furries are literally just cosplayers, they dress up as characters that have animal characteristics/traits (such as ears/tail/etc., this is the most common yet completely incorrect misconception about the furry fandom, furries do not f**k animals, and do not welcome people who do into the fandom, a lot of this misconception is because of a disgusting man who decided he was a ‘furry’. ‘Kero The Wolf’ (TW: Death + Multiple Violations Etc.)

did multiple horrible things to his dog before killing it. After this furries who many already think are ‘weird’ got even more hate just for dressing up and cosplaying as characters they made! So, FURRIES AND ZOOPHILES ARE NOT THE SAME ."

Like I already said you don’t have to f**k animal to be a zoophile only be attracted to one
I’m not gonna give the same example with pedophillia for the 5th time because you should have it in your mind already 💀💀💀

You're just stubborn to the fact that I have arguments to help me out prove that I'm not a zoophile for what I like.

Hell, and to even mention you about what you said about Zi.

I quite literally asked if she wanted a furry ass pic, and she said yes.
So there, now you're gonna have to accuse someone you respect of being a zoophile over them simply wanting a pic.

You see the stupidity of that now?

Yes I’m stubborn when it comes to arguments
I I’m backing everything up with facts and logic
I’ve already countered a the arguments you’ve pulled out from websites with my own mind
I don’t use other peoples arguments
I use my own

And with my other comment I said I don’t like zi anymore because I’ve heard she has draw furry porn before

You want straight from the mind? Okay.

"I’m backing everything up with facts and logic."

Shows how ignorant you are to other peoples arguments. Therefore you waste more time.

"I’ve already countered a the arguments you’ve pulled out from websites with my own mind"

Ok and? That means I did research to back up my claims, you just rely solely on what your mental instincts want to say.
We've always been told to do research before presenting our "work".

"And with my other comment I said I don’t like zi anymore because I’ve heard she has draw furry porn before"

No shit. I know. Its not like I've seen it before you replied to this one.

How the he does that mean Ignore peoples arguments
I said I back up my arguments with facts and logic 💀💀💀

Do you think everything I’ve said is just from nothing??
I’ve done hours of research on argument topics
I said I base my arguments on facts and logic
Facts meaning things I’ve found through articles, interactions with people, and other stuff

You're losing it I see.
Getting full of yourself by saying whatever you said is facts and logic, over and over.

Yet you start tried to link something you probably never heard of before, such as Schediaphilia for example.
Don't say you did because never once have I heard you mention it before I did.

Also, genuinely speaking. At this point, you really are speaking for nothing.
You haven't changed a single mind for me, like how I haven't changed a single mind to you.

And if you base your arguments on facts and logic then how come you refused to research any news case covering up people getting arrested for drawing certain type of porn to bring any facts about it?
You just simply said its probably hidden and not bothered with it.

I’m ain’t loosing anything
If anything I’m having fun here
And I repeat myself a lot because you make me repeat myself

And I know what Schediaphilia is
I didnt mention it because it’s not important
I’m not against being attracted to fictional characters because I myself have found myself sometimes being attracted to some

Are you not listening when I say it’s r a r e
do you not know what that means???
It’s uncommon
It doesn’t happen a lot

I’d like you to find a article about someone getting arrested for drawing child porn
But you can’t because it’s r a r e
You can’t find these people because there’s laws that protect you from the government looking at what you do on the internet

You don’t listen
You keep ignoring some stuff I say 💀

I mean at this point why should I listen to you if we got absolutely no f**king where.

"I’d like you to find a article about someone getting arrested for drawing child porn
But you can’t because it’s r a r e
You can’t find these people because there’s laws that protect you from the government looking at what you do on the internet"

What do you mean? I did, did you not see?

Continuing here:
Furry porn is about PEOPLE … who happen to have some animal-like physical traits, not about animals that happen to act like people. That is the biggest sticking point where most people get confused and accuse all furries of being animal abusers.

Of course, there ARE some people who abuse animals. Those people are NOT furries. They have a mental condition of some sort and need treatment."