Have you heard that Britishmormon isn't a leftist?

That's not even remotely true.

John 1:12 "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:"

You are not a child of God until you accept Jesus as your savior. If you haven't, you're a child of the devil.

I have

You've trusted in Jesus as your savior?

Yes

awesome

The Bible uses the term "sons of God" in two different ways. In one meaning it is as John says. And John specifies in the next verse that those become sons (and daughters) of God believing on Him and by being baptized.

Other verses such as Acts 17:29 and Psalms 82:6, no stipulation of belief or baptism is made.

So you are correct and incorrect. The difference has to do with the title Jesus inherited after His mission was completed and ended on the cross. He inherited God's title of Father. God is the literal Father of our spirits but those who believe in Jesus become His sons (and daughters) of God.

I mean, yeah you're right

Hmm, I think I'll just stick with the Bible on this one

how does that prove degrees of glory in the way Mormons believe?

that doesn't prove the existence of a celestial and terrestrial kingdom like mormons believe. Terrestrial would be what we have now, and celestial is the new body we will all receive (1 Cor. 15:52), it's not two different eternal kingdoms.

Who is the "we"? Paul is writing to the Christian church in Rome. He's writing to Christians, not unbelievers. "We" is Christians.

That's referring to Abraham's Bosom, which is where the old testament saints went until Christ sacrificed Himself.

"In my Father's house, there are many mansions"
it's still the same house, how does that say there are multiple kingdoms?

No it doesn't XD

Ok, fine, you can think what you want, but I'm gonna believe the Bible

okay?

"it's still the same house, how does that say there are multiple kingdoms?"

The imagery of the words of Jesus in this passage does not rule out separate kingdoms. It is a matter of how you interpret it.

However 1 Corinthians 15 is clearly talking about resurrection. 40 and 41 are talking about bodies or people. Some have the glory of the sun, some the glory of the moon and some the glory of the stars. Then in verse 42 Paul clearly states, "So also is the resurrection of the dead."

Essentially what is going on here is Paul is stating there are essentially 3 levels of righteousness. Those that have followed all of God's commands and have lived a life as close to perfection as possible are those who have the glory of the sun. Those who may have believed in God but were not as committed to following Jesus have the glory of the moon. Those who rejected God and His message and lived an evil life are the glory of the stars.

We know from science that stars are also suns and the moon only reflects our sun's light but this is a metaphor based on our perspective of looking up in the sky.

The problem that a lot of Christians have is explaining how God, who loves all of his children, could consign them to an eternity of burning in hell just because they didn't say the sinner's prayer or get baptized or publicly profess that Jesus is your Lord and Savior or whatever entry point a particular Christian religion sets.

If we are saved by the grace of God then that means God will make allowances for all of us. We just won't all live eternally with God but we will be saved into a place that a person feels more comfortable rather than burning in a lake of fire for all eternity. The descriptions of hell in the Bible is a metaphor for seeing what you could have had if you had only put the effort into trying to live a perfect life.

2 Peter 1:20 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation"
If God doesn't say it, I'm not going to believe it just because He doesn't explicitly rule it out in one passage.

It's contrasting earthly bodies to heavenly bodies. Earthly bodies being the bodies that we have on earth.

And where do you see that people living an evil life will receive glory?

Why would God let sin, pain, and death into heaven to continue with His children forever?

It most certainly does not mean God will make allowances for all of us.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Well why don't we just make the whole Bible a metaphor then? Or does that only apply to the parts we don't understand or like?
Oh, and about working to live a perfect life "Romans 4:4-5 "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Now where exactly in scripture do you find this place that's more comfortable than hell but not with God?

"2 Peter 1:20 'knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation'"

This one you have to understand the background. Peter, like Paul, was writing to the members of the Church who were reverting back to their old ways. In the next chapter Peter warns them to beware of false prophets. So in that light he was telling them not to interpret the scripture through the eyes of their old religion. He didn't want them to come with ideas without his council.

In all practicality the Bible cannot be read without private interpretation. However, there are avenues that one can go down for verification of what it means. In all things ask God.

"If God doesn't say it, I'm not going to believe it just because He doesn't explicitly rule it out in one passage."

I am not asking you to believe what I am saying, I am just explaining what we, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believe. I am not by any stretch of the imagination, a spokesperson for the Church. I am explaining based on what I know.

The fact of the matter is God actually did tell us about the 3 kingdoms. You just don't know about the sources of this information, I also suspect you are not interested in reading those those scriptures. That's okay. It is your life. However, should you change your mind and want to know what else God has revealed then you can ask BritishMormon or myself.

No, the Bible is not all metaphor. Most of it isn't. Jesus taught in parables and those are essentially the same thing as a metaphor.

"2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 'In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:'"

Unless a person is righteous, is moved upon by the Holy Ghost or has the priesthood authority of God they will not be able to stand in God's or Jesus' presence. They will die. It is not out of vengeance, it is a matter of worthiness.

"Revelation 20:15 'And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.'"

Much of the book of Revelation is metaphor or symbolism. There is a book of life but the lake of fire is a metaphor, not an actual place. It just makes no sense at all that God would have so many children just to throw a majority of them into a lake of fire for eternity. That is not a God of love. That is not a God who chose as his title, "Father".

yes, many mansions, in God's house. In no way can that be used to support the idea that there are multiple kingdoms, and to say that it does is completely dishonest.
Yeah, third heaven as opposed to the sky or outer space

It's talking about our current earthly bodies vs the ones we will receive. It's so obvious, why can't you take the Bible at its word?

Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach an other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Yeah I think I'll stick with the actual gospel, thanks

Ok, then gimme examples

good for you

ok

So God misled Paul?

how is that rude? If you're going to make that claim, back it up. No I'm not going to wikipedia for my doctrine

it says "another gospel", meaning any other gospel for Christians is a "false gospel"

I'm not the one who made the claim that it was a recurring thing, am I

oh no, guess I'm sloth now

You are not a child of God I decided

no but i decided

but i did

Yes I did

Why not