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Stop using "born this way" and start using "this is not a choice" or "I cant control this"

Stop using "born this way" and start using "this is not a choice" or "I cant control this" | CAN WE AS A COMMUNITY (LGBTQ+) STOP USING THE "BORN THIS WAY" ARGUMENT? I'LL EXPLAIN IN THE COMMENTS. IT'S FALSE. INSTEAD WE SHOULD USE THE "THIS IS NOT OUR CHOICE" ARGUMENT. ITS TRUE AND CAN BE BACKED UP WITH EVIDENCE. | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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The reason I say stop using "born this way" is because although we can't control being LGBTQ+, we were not born like this. And before you attack me for being homophobic let me explain.

We are born as a something pound baby with basic survival instincts. That's it. From the ages of 1 to 5 years old, we are learning about the world. That's why only children 7 years and older can experience gender dysphoria.

Now, I'm gonna give you a bunch of arguments you can use if you ever encounter a queerphobe.

Attraction is simple. Attraction occurs when happiness chemicals like dopamine are released into your body. It's an entire chemical reaction going on inside you. From beginning to end of attraction (Lust to Companionship) your neural network goes haywire when encountering that special someone, which causes those chemical reactions of sex hormones (Estrogen and Testosterone) in the phase of lust and happiness chemicals and attraction hormones in the stage of attraction. In the stage of attraction you also begin to experience symptoms of being "love sick". Your neural network kicks into high gear and activates the Fight or Flight response that you'd feel in dangerous situations. As you and that special someone grow closer your body begins to release Oxcytocin otherwise known as the "cuddle hormone". This hormone is what causes you to get attached to a person (whether friend, family or significant other. You can give them all this and say that nobody can force attraction.
(Source: https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/love-actually-science-behind-lust-attraction-companionship/ The Harvard University Site)

Gender can get a little murky but overall it makes sense. We can easily say that gender is anything but binary. It's murky waters. Most of us are taught XX chromosones equals female and XY equals male. This is overly simplified to the point of having us not even grasp the concept of this topic. Biological sex itself is more complicated than XX and XY. The whole development of biological sex starts with a few cells called the bipotential primordium and a gene called SRY. A new embryo, will develop without any indication of it's sex. At around 5 weeks in the womb, the embryo will develop the bipotential primordium. These cells are just cells, neither male nor female but always have the potential to become either. After the primordium is formed, the SRY gene has the chance to be activated. The SRY gene takes a precisely timed signal to have primoridum ->
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Nice nice nice nice
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thank you! can you tell me if i missed anything from the articles?
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Idfk
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<- become male. And not just the SRY gene can affect the process of forming a sex. The genes DMRT1 and FOXL2 have been found to affect biological sex as well. We can use the neural network in our brains to show gender. In multiple studies we can see that trans individuals have neural connections and certain areas of the brain activate in certain activities are the same as a cisgender person who is the same gender.

And if they still refuse all this evidence and they say "This is a sin" Just say "God made LGBTQ+ so how is it a sin?" You don't have to believe in God (I don't.), that's just counterargument.

And if you've tried everything and none of that works... Say something fabulous or weird or whatever you want, give them the finger and walk away.
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Here's the source for gender. I did my best to explain this one, but it's a bit confusing. Tell me if I missed anything or need to change anything. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/ Scientific American: Article by Simone D Sun. June 13th 2019 for publish date. The author is a doctoral candidate at the New York University's Neuroscience Institute
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Yes the entire lgtbq communities uses a lesser known meme website, definitely
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yep! absolutely!
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ngl i did not think this through. but hey, at least some people are getting the message. start small, yknow?
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Yep
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What about intersex people?
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I partially agree but partially disagree.

I agree that gender is a social construct and your definition of your own gender role is heavily dependant on the society around you, your parents, your friends, the media, etc. You weren't born with your gender, that's correct.

But you were born with your brain and the way it thinks, the chemistry that makes you the way you are. And that's the basis of how you experience your gender. A different social group might put your specific combination of character traits in different gender categories and you will experience your gender through the lense of whatever society you're in. But what makes you have those traits that culminate in your experience of your gender is something you are born with.

And for sexual, romantic, platonic attraction, that is 100% a physical response of your body (which you described exactly like that) and thus is 100% something you are born with. Yes, you might express your attraction in different ways because your social surroundings have taught you some of these feelings are good and others are bad and sometimes it can be difficult to overcome that and find out what's really behind it all. But at the core of it, it's all biology - you're born with it.

I absolutely get why you have a problem with the words and I also like "it's not a choice" better. But I wouldn't go so far as to suggest we collectively shouldn't use "born this way" anymore. Especially since "born this way" is a much easier concept to grasp for people who don't share our experiences and might not understand how it isn't a choice if we weren't born that way.
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ok! thank you! i wasnt sure if i explained it well but your explanation is amazing! i think its defintely helped because the articles i chose were just a little complicated.
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I was not born trans
As I learned who I was I became trans
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It took me a lil while to realize it so that makes sense.
But lady gaga will have to make a new song
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