If the convoy is peaceful, then how come Black Lives Matter protests were violent, REPUBLICANS??

Is your city on fire? Are people being beaten in the streets? Cause you folks thought that was "mostly peaceful" when we had to watch it live every night in 2020, cause protests are legitimate and should be encouraged. You have people protesting. Be happy they aren't from BLM or ANTIFA, cause then your city would be on fire and you'd have no reason to complain.

Being against Fascism is fine, but advocating for violence, turning a blind eye to the vandalism that goes along with it...not fine.
>> No one turned a blind eye to it. Anyone who was a peaceful protester, pushed back and tried to keep them from stores and other such properties. The violence you're referencing -mostly- took place at night after the peaceful ones went home. In addition, Democrats/libs/lefties/whatever you wanna call them condemned the violence. Multiple times.
It also helps if there are actual Fascists being protested and not just people that think the tax code should be different. sheez.
>> Fascism was being expressed in the BLM Protests. Did you hear about the violin vigil for Elijah McClain? Yep, people were teargassed, maced, and hit with sticks for sitting around in a field holding a vigil for a black autistic kid who was attacked by police for wearing a face mask.

You're right. It isn't hard at all to see multiple examples from all over the states of ANTIFA violence...cause it actually happened for almost a year, with no discernable outcome other than they all but disappeared after the election. lol.
>> Yeah, that is interesting.... Isn't it...? No discernable outcome... I wonder why... Probably because the only guy who ever was ever guilty of violence and being antifa at the same time was the guy that didn't get due process but was extra judiciously killed. In portland, many protesters were apprehended, none had "links to ANTIFA" (Partially because ANTIFA fundamentally not an organization.

Granted, if y'all "mostly peaceful" protestors would have stepped up and bashed those skulls of the trouble makers,
>>Anyone who was a peaceful protester, pushed back and tried to keep them from stores and other such properties. The violence you're referencing -mostly- took place at night after the peaceful ones went home. In addition, Democrats/libs/lefties/whatever you wanna call them condemned the violence. Multiple times.

maybe your group wouldn't be branded the way it is right now. And likewise for those Right-wing protestors. Those "very fine people on both sides" need to step up bash in the skulls of those who make them look violent. lol

>> I question the motives of anyone that came up to the defense of Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville at all. But then, also, MAGA has one protest (actually a couple) since BLM Protests and it was 100% violent between 11/4/20 and 1/6/21. At 1/6 You had onlookers, and they sat by and watched.

"I question the motives of anyone that came up to the defense of Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville at all. But then, also, MAGA has one protest (actually a couple) since BLM Protests and it was 100% violent between 11/4/20 and 1/6/21. At 1/6 You had onlookers, and they sat by and watched."

I question the motives of anyone that came to the defense of ANTIFA...in 700 violent protests....as opposed to the "1" MAGA protest. There are always onlookers, and I saw video of people trying to stop some of them, even saw them testify. Can't say I saw much of that with ANTIFA...seeing how all the nice ANTIFA went home when it got dark...your words. I did, however, witness black folk trying to calm these anarchists down in a protest I was in early on. That was because they were trying to tear up the neighborhood...the one they didn't have live in or clean up afterward. They were all college-aged white kids who didn't even know why they were there, but they had no problem branding themselves as ANTIFA and destroying public property.

No one is defending the riots that are alleged to be at fault of ANTIFA. Your tu quo que argument isn't as strong as you think it is. You're trying to point the finger at people who were outraged that civil rights have been repeatedly violated. Further, their outraged many Local governments have done little to hold these people accountable in times past.

MAGA stormed the capital on the basis of a lie. A lie that told them their political power was being stolen. The question wasn't over civil rights, but political power. The reason you don't see ANTIFA stopping people is because you're looking for extremists. You're looking for the guys in black with shields and face masks. Not one single maga who attacked the capital had been found to be ANTIFA. Not one.

While MAGA protests about stop the steal are few,, everyone who was arrested was MAGA. Hardly anyone who was arrested at BLM protests was ANTIFA. Hmmm...

Let's talk about the intended effect. BLM wanted police reform for safer interactions between POC and police. This was the result of years of excessive force, people dying needlessly. They wanted change.

MAGA openly charged the police. They're was no escalation. It was a frenzy. They sought to interrupt a specific constitutional process. They sought to commit murder. They sought to steal confidential files. BLM sought change. They wanted the legislators to write the bill. They've wanted change for years and it never came. And yeah, you're surprised a ANTIFA was there...? When the police were expressing fascism with curfews, excessive force to protestors? We all saw that with our own eyes. Even the press were attached in broad daylight. What excuse does MAGA have other than losing political power? Democrats tried to warm you off the lies Trump was stirring, but you didn't listen. Now he's at it again. Smh.

Not one huh...BLM and ANTIFA were protesting based on lies...they're all useful idiots in the hands of elitists who just rake in cash donations at the expense of these schmucks. Let's not forget that those who were arrested were also bailed out by funds set up by Democrat leaders, Kamala being one.

Oh so curfews are now considered Fascist? Wonder how that works with shut-downs and curfews? Guess it's ok if you're ok with it and the orders come from Democrat mayors and governors, but god forbid it stop an Antifa protest. Then we call it "Fascism".

Yes, the press were attacked in daylight...by Antifa, not even allowed around protests, by Antifa...sounds pretty Fascist to me, blocking out the press and all.

And then you guys have the audacity to say that someone against ANTIFA is pro-fascist. lol

And then there's this...
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-race-and-ethnicity-suburbs-health-racial-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

Oh so curfews are now considered Fascist? Wonder how that works with shut-downs and curfews? Guess it's ok if you're ok with it and the orders come from Democrat mayors and governors, but god forbid it stop an Antifa protest. Then we call it "Fascism".

>> So you seem to be confused about how fascism works. Calling a curfew to stop the right to protest - that's fascism. Calling a quarantine to protect national health - that's not fascism.

Definitions of fascism:

merriam-webster a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

dictionary.com a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Those riot officers against BLM weren't enacting curfew for the sake of Quarantine, they were doing it to suppress opposition and criticism.
Mayors and Governors enact Quarantine to protect health. Mind you, no one was participating in protests before the lock downs. Clearly, this wasn't used to suppress criticism, but to protect the communities they served. Please observe the stark differences.

"Yes, the press were attacked in daylight...by Antifa, not even allowed around protests, by Antifa...sounds pretty Fascist to me, blocking out the press and all."

By police.
Also, MAGA chased press out of the capitol riot.
You're not batting very strong here.

Fake news

Right, the guy who said he was not associated to ANTIFA, but he definitely thinks BLM. Yeah, no.

His name is John Sullivan. When Sullivan went on CNN hours after he left the Capitol to offer witness testimony to the killing of Babbitt, he was introduced, inaccurately, as a “left-wing activist.” Sullivan was facing charges for a protest he organized in Utah in June at which another protester shot a man, set off a frenzy of speculation about him in right-wing outlets, which incorrectly identified him as “a BLM activist.”

His brother, James Sullivan, is a Trump diehard who founded the conservative political organization Civilized Awakening. The group, they alleged, has “strong ties to Proud Boys even having spoken at a Proud Boy rally.”

Publicly, they are polarized opposites. I think they're this way to feed eachother content for money on Youtube, at least, that's the way it appears.

He's not the winning example you think he is.

We had BLM protests and they weren't bad. Now, the right-wingers are blocking traffic, stealing from the homeless, and STONING AMBULANCES.

Sure they are. lol
The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms on Sunday challenged the state of emergency, with a press release noting that "Mayor Watson has not divulged publicly what facts he might rely on to justify his assessment of truckers as posing 'a danger of major proportions,' in light of their law-abiding behaviour since arriving in Ottawa more than one week ago."

"This is a truly disturbing overreach and misuse of emergency powers," stated lawyer Nicholas Wansbutter.

The press release also included statements from local residents who shared that they witnessed the truckers to be peaceful and not an impediment to their daily activities:

One of the witnesses in the court action has stated under oath that truckers and their supporters "are feeding the homeless on Wellington Street and filling their backpacks with food. Truckers have taken a whole trailer full of food to the homeless shelter. Truckers are maintaining the cleanliness of city streets, including picking up discarded masks on the ground, centralized garbage collection, shoveling snow at the War Memorial and the Terry Fox statue, and decorating and providing security for the War Memorial and Terry Fox statue."

Another witness, an Ottawa resident, swears that "the truckers I have interacted with have, at all times, been friendly, courteous, humble, considerate and peaceful. I have not observed any aggressive or inappropriate behaviours." He says the truckers are diverse, including Sikhs, Blacks, Aboriginals and others. He has "observed truckers decorating the tomb of the unknown soldier with flowers and guarding it" and has "not seen any violent or threatening behaviour." He notes that "the truckers do not honk their horns at night. My everyday life has not been disrupted by any noise related to the Freedom Convoy during the day." He asserts: "My ability to park and to travel in downtown Ottawa, or to and from Parliament Hill has not been impeded by the presence of the truckers."

Another Ottawa resident, who works for Statistics Canada, describes reality on the ground as follows: "The protesters were peaceful and respectful, I saw no violence or harassment. I was not impeded in any way, and could walk about freely and safely. I did not see any hateful symbols, in fact, I saw an abundance of Canada flags and Quebec flags as well as countless signs calling for freedom and the end of Covid related mandates. I did see some anti-Trudeau flags using harsh language."

That is not what I've heard from people around me. I LIVE in Ottawa.

Well...you're just, supposedly, passing on info from other people, and haven't actually substantiated what you "heard". So...it's all just baseless claims until you do.

Let's ignore the fact that there were white supremacist saboteurs in the BLM protests. Let's ignore that for a sec.

Over 10,000 protests were held for the BLM movement, and only 7% of them turned to violence. No city was "burned down." I'm from Portland, and you could never tell (even during the height of their protests) that the city was having problems when you drove through it. It was limited to like 4-6 blocks - deep within the city.

This is a singular protest with these truckers. They may be feeding Ottowa, but they're also blocking border crossing and creating another supply chain issue - willfully thus depriving people of supplies and food that they need.. Within this singular protest, we have seen that there are white supremacists there, neo nazis. The truckers themselves even say that there are more than they'd like; there's a black trucker who was concerned for his safety.

These same people are the same people who were at the BLM protests (not literally) these are the same people seen at MAGA rallies, these are the same people who protest vaccinations.

While I support the right to protest 100%, I don't support the message behind this protest. No one is forcing these people to get vaccinated. The choice is always theirs. However, if they want to continue their career, they have to think more carefully about that choice as the governments has dictated what is safe for their people.

Just how they decide it's not safe to carry Bio-Hazard material without proper permits. Or like how you need to wear seatbelts. Or like you can't carry guns on any commercial transit system. Or how you can't bring invasive species across certain borders. (Pretty sure COVID is an invasive species.)*

To reiterate, they have the right to choose. They need to choose to weigh their options and they don't like their options. Saying that they don't have a choice is inaccurate.

lol..let's ignore the fact. That's what you like right? Like Antifa and BLM don't deliberately infiltrate Right protests to cause problems. Ignoring that fact while talking about a few idiots that show up waving flags while ignoring the thousands not doing that. Ignore the fact, that you admit 7% of 10,000 protests is 700 violent protests. That's a lot, by the way. Ignore the fact that you couldn't go through those 6 blocks in Portland, that the police precinct was destroyed, that rape and murder went on while police were hampered in their response. Yes, let's just ignore inconvenient truths while we whataboutism to death the opposing side with very similar inconvenient truths. I don't see Canada on fire and I'm not hearing about people getting shot, or anything remotely similar to all the violence ANTIFA advocates wherever they show up. I keep seeing the same group of Nazi/redneck idiots being plastered across media, almost like someone doesn't want to address the tens of thousands of other people...not doing that. Agenda maybe? Naw...that's a fact that needs to be ignored.

With respect to choice...you're just manipulating semantics here. Having one's livelihood taken away because you're afraid to have something injected into your body after hearing or seeing its effects on people you know...is not a fair choice. If trucking is your profession, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out that your skillset is directed toward driving a truck, not encoding computers. It's a fairly limited occupational skill, like many out there. It may technically be a choice, but it's a bad one that was created to force you into a medical procedure or losing your family's income, housing, healthcare, etc.

Ok...enough of that. When...are you going to start asking why the virus escaped from a lab partially funded by Fauci after the DOD rejected his request for Gain of Function research here in the US? We're all arguing over the effects of covid while not addressing why or how it was created and let loose, to begin with. We blame people's responses to the virus for deaths that would never have happened if it hadn't been created and released in the first place. That's the fact that everyone seems to shy away from.

"I keep seeing the same group of Nazi/redneck idiots being plastered across media, almost like someone doesn't want to address the tens of thousands of other people...not doing that. Agenda maybe? Naw...that's a fact that needs to be ignored."

You're upset that Nazis are covered and ANTIFA isn't? Claiming an agenda? Your make it sound like Nazis are actually "very fine people"🤦‍♀️

C'mon man! Just pointing out that out of all the tens of thousands of people involved in the protest, y'all can only focus on the one group of haters and somehow try to paint the whole protest like that (agenda). Seems you don't really like it when it's done to you, but think it's somehow justified when you do it. We gotta stop being like this. Nazi's are not very fine people, but neither is ANTIFA. But...if that's all ya got, then it's all ya got.

The mistake you're making is a mass generalization for people who identify with ANTIFA. I am ANTIFA and I've never broke a window, set fire, or even caused another harm at a protest.

I would also disagree on how ANTIFA was not covered. They were covered so well by FIX NEWS and trump that if you do a search online for ANTIFA violence, you'll find plenty of clips of the violence talking place. Hell, trump wanted to label them a terrorist organisation (lol). Coincidentally, you never see what happened before. Like you said, agenda.

FBI have confirmed and predicted white supremacy in police would be a problem in the early 2010s. They were right. Minnesota police bureau confirmed BLM was sabotaged by boogaloo.

Being against Fascism is fine, but advocating for violence, turning a blind eye to the vandalism that goes along with it...not fine. It also helps if there are actual Fascists being protested and not just people that think the tax code should be different. sheez.

You're right. It isn't hard at all to see multiple examples from all over the states of ANTIFA violence...cause it actually happened for almost a year, with no discernable outcome other than they all but disappeared after the election. lol.

Granted, if y'all "mostly peaceful" protestors would have stepped up and bashed those skulls of the trouble makers, maybe your group wouldn't be branded the way it is right now. And likewise for those Right-wing protestors. Those "very fine people on both sides" need to step up bash in the skulls of those who make them look violent. lol

So are yours. More baseless, because I've seen these people and reports of what they do.

And yet you can't post them. I posted witness accounts, not something I heard.

All you have to do is listen to our radio and see reports almost 24/7 of people who are fed up.

You're fed up...good. So are a lot of people who are out there protesting...They're fed up too.

All of Ottawa is fed up. They FLOODED 911 WITH FAKE CALLS. They are terrorists.

Sure they are. All of Ottawa is fed up. And now protestors are terrorists. lol That's some typical lib bullshit right there. Anyone who disagrees with a lib = terrorist. gotcha.

I am an Ottawan, I should know. As I said, they flooded 911 with fake calls stopping real ones from getting through, which is trying to kill people, and thus terrorism.

That's what you say...

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Because they're evil?