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Love how Germans were outnumbered at least 1 to 4 in almost every battle they fought against Russia, even when they were advancing.

Love? In what sense exactly?

its just an expression...

But you say it like if it was a good thing or you are just being ironic?

Ironic basically

Great!

The Germans would have won the war even outnumbered if it wasn't because of
1. Mussolini unnecessarily invading Africa and calling for German help when he got kickassed, so delaying Op. Barbarossa by two months, allowing winter to arrive in time; and
2. The Lend-Lease treaty, which gave the soviets American technology and helped them a big lot.

I think you are wrong. Russia would have defeated Germany with or without help. as Germany pushed each line, a smaller layer would be added to the next defensive line, and this continued, making the last defense line Unbreakable. This broke the German forces.

Maybe. But if winter didn't arrive on time, Germany would have a bigger chance of winning the Battle of Moscow. Germany had very good technology, but didn't count on the two month delay and in the possibility of USA joining the war by a false flag attack. Perhaps you should read Adolf Galland's memoirs. He explains the situation quite well in that book.

look I'm a wehraboo too, but the Germans only advanced so far because of their good experienced commanders. They had inferior Panzer 3s and 4s and were heavily outnumbered. It was inevitable. They had already lost air superiority to inferior Russian planes as well. also no Supplies.

About tthe German Panzerwafce you are right. They WERE heavily outnumbered. But with the Luftwaffe, Soviet superiority did not occur until late 1943. In some places it happened before, but in other places like Moscow-Malgobek region, the Mozdok line, or Ucraine, where many fighter aces like Erich Hartmann, Günther Rall, or Adolf Galland
and their JGs were operating, Soviet air superiority didn't happen before early 1945, even when they were retreating.

Panzerwaffe*

With the creation of weapons like the 75mm KwK40 L/48 to replace the KwK 39s, or the Mg-151/20 to replace the old MgFF/m and Mg-131s to replace the old Mg-17s, german aircraft got a serious advantage over the sub-par 20mm ShVaK cannons and the 12.7mm Berezin-UB found on nearly all Soviet planes.

Oh I know all about the Minengeshos. But the thing is that the Russians eventually outnumbered Germans in the air with their Yaks, and Ilyushins.

I studied this matter VERY deeply. You are right. Galland says in his memoirs "...killing soviet aircraft was like trying to kill an anthill by killing the ants one by one, never reaching the anthill itself.'' But Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps drained hundreds of thousands of manpower from Op. Barbarossa. The rate of kill in the Soviet Army was about 0.15 (there were 15 kills for every hundred soldiers lost), whilst in the Wehrmacht it was of about 5 (5 kills for every soldier lost). At that rate, 200,000 soldiers in the DAK, they would correspond to nearly 1 million Soviet deaths, force they did not dispose at that time. Outnumbering was a very real situation at the time. Many German tanks carried less ammo than the number of opponents against them. Even at an 1-shot-1-kill rate there was no chance for them. German commanders took a cold water shower when they realized the Soviets all of a sudden disposed of an enormous amount of fuel and new vehicles (the American M4s and P-39 Airacobras). It wasn't until 1943 they found out about the Lend-Lease treaty. That surprise was what let them win.

I'm really glad we at least are having a civilized discussion. Most people will just call me a Neo-Nazi or a Fascist pig and report and/or block me.

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