Slavery with no physical shackles

Well then who makes the stuff?

there will still be jobs
the cost of housing (#1 cost) will significantly decrease
why cant they divvy the land

The fact is that most of the land is already owned by someone else. The land owned by the government is already a national, state, or local park, forest, or other wilderness area or is reserved for military or other government use; in other words, not land we necessarily want humans living on. So unless you want to force everyone to live under communism, you’re kind of stuck with the current system, at least until they automate everything.

If you are interested in doing what you described, I would look into joining a commune. It’s basically what you described: community housing, everyone pitches in, grow your own food, that sort of thing. It’s honestly not a bad life, as long as you don’t mind putting in the hard work. However, it’s the kind of work that leaves you feeling accomplished, not like working some crappy minimum wage job.

I reject communism, reject socialism, but a small portion of the governments land can be expropriated to make public housing and farms using modern technology that can grow food all year round with actual nutrition, locally. A commune is a good way to escape these nuances but we're still bound as a society by the shackles of mental slavery.

Exactly, which is the main shortcoming of liberal utopian ideology...they have no way to pay for this perfect life for every human who exists...that is what makes utopian societies mirages. Sorry, but there will always be people who are doing better than the average and people who are doing worse that then average...that is human nature. Liberals are so lost about the simple facts of life (boy or girl? those are the only two real choices) that they resort to make believe time...all the time!

Suppose we either are treated like black people over 300 years ago or they just want to make another black slavery version with all kinds of people.

It's a mental slavery
we must brake the chains

No! We can't do that! It will piss off the entire fun stream!

lmao fr 🤣🤣
biggest chain starter

Ah, chain brakers!

I'm about to...gonna stop working a traditional job and just trade crypto and make cash when I cannot make it via crypto trading. PLAN IS IN PROCESS.

Who says you need a mortgage to live?

Food might be a better example, cause you need food to live, and you need money to buy food. But I wouldn't say that's slavery necessary (unless you count your bodies requirements to live as slavery), because as a society we work (or farmers do at least) so that we can have food to live.

and if the government provides everything, isn't that just slavery to something else?

Well in the end we all have or had to pay a mortgage or rent and the cost of housing is so astronomically high that most humans can't buy a house by the time they die. So we are enslaved by debt and the dollar, enslaved to bankers. (it's a bit hard to see) The government should stay the way it is but fork over a small percentage of the land for the people. I'd rather have corporations than government.

Oh yeah for sure (enslaved to bankers). The fact that debt is so normalized is completely psycho to me. Have you heard of Dave Ramsey?

Totally agree with you =) and I might of seen him on the news

He's big into avoiding debt and all that, ya know, borrower is slave to the lender. You might like him.

Hmmmm

Scientific advancement would grind to a halt, and so would most expensive projects. Crime would be an issue unless we destroy cities altogether. This honestly sounds a bit like anarcho-socialism/communism. So no Scientific advancements because of no corporations or government, no cities, which actually means higher carbon emissions unless we go back to primitivism.

And if you were a primitivist, you wouldn't be using your computer

No I reject government interference or implementing any of theses isms. Obviously if we emancipate ourselves completely from money overnight there would be chaos. My solutions are to use technology to grow real food with actual vitamins locally and take back a small portion of the land and make public housing. If we can reduce the cost of housing and mortgages it would diminish the power of bankers and the malice of debt. Debt enslaves us all and housing is the number one cost.

'You reject government interference'. Good to know, that's why we have the anarcho in front of the communism. How would we make the power to keep this technology running?

Let's say USA, Vermont or something. Government should stay the way it is there. The laws are pretty good. But they should make better use of the land. There is so much unused land. Build public housing and greenhouse technology can grow food all year round.

So you're saying put all of the land we have to use?

Isn't diversity in nature a pretty important thing?

we don't need all the land just a small portion so we can stop paying egregious amounts for housing and eat real food. I don't like paying thousands of dollars in rental or mortgage fees every month. I also don't like going to the store and buying a tomato that tastes like water.
Biodiversity is essential, will be up help. Using technology we can improve nutrition, environmental conditions and reduce cost.

Oke

It’s not slavery. You can go live out in the jungle if you want, but that will be hard work. Life has hard work involved. Everything does.

That could work if everyone pulled their weight, which, if you know people, just ain't gonna happen.
The biggest problem i have with this idea is that it sounds very Marxist. People should have to contribute to society for society to give back to them. The moment you give the government control over lives and properties, the people will face oppression and manipulation. We've seen this in quite a few countries.
If you're not a fan of school or jobs, i get that. Neither am I, and not many kids enjoy school and not many adults like work. But I would gladly work to earn independence. I don't want my fate in other people's hands.
Hope this helps.

Yes, I concur and I find much of school so redundant. For example 15 years of English courses for a diploma is wasteful. You would think after 7 years or so there would a proficiency test( a real pass or fail situation). That time could be spent learning real skills or developing critical thinking. I feel like the system is programing me to get a job and get a mortgage(become a slave).

Most curriculums are indeed established to do just that - prepare people for 'real life'. You still have choice on what 'real life' means to you, like farming or whatnot - though if you were not born into farming you wouls start at the bottom - farm hand - as an employee, very low paid work, and then save enough or be great enough to acquire your own farm. Assuming you're not just lazy and don't want a job to sponge off the rest of society!

Most curriculums teach slowly and don't test proficiency. There is a lack of real life skills not being thought like farming, woodworking etc. I could of learned calculus when I was 12. Instead for 15 years I was thought numbers, then algebra then calculus. The topics were separated and not concurrent. People are not getting food with vitamins and they are not being thought properly. We need engineers, scientist, farmers, everything to address this. There is quite possibly institutional collusion to keep us dumbed down and paying mortgage.

That's why I want to homeschool my (future) kids. They're gonna be big brain IQs lemme tell ya, and I'd want to get them doing the advanced stuff as soon as they can.

Yea I'd defiantly go this route for my children as well. but still the education system needs reform. It is changing and possibly people will just do school from home in the future as everything is available online.

same, I've always felt deprived by how late the school system teaches some things that i totally could have learned when i was 4-7 years old

It seems to cater to the lowest common denominator

yea, it almost seems to me like they don't want our brains to function at their maximum capacity

No kidding. Stupidity is easier to manipulate.

you're right about that.
I just read chapter 1 of screwtape letters yesterday and it is summing up exactly what is happening now, only it was noticed in 1941...

I haven't read that one yet, it's good I assume?

Yeah, i could have learned algebra when i was 7.

Marrying into a farm family could be a valid option too ;)

Yes a valid point of entry XD lol

The government has nothing that we don't give them, or that they don't take from us by force.

except our taxes

Having had some interactions with the IRS - let me be the first to inform you, they just take it....everything. If they think you owe something, you'll wake up one day and your bank account is empty.