condescending wonka

Firing a health care worker, who worked for 18 months without a vaccine available all the while staying safe from covid-19 by following universal precautions, is insane. Allow them to stay safe the same way the had to while serving the sick before.

Which hospital are you claiming this is happening in?

Many in the USA and Canada, but I personally know people who work in hospitals in Toronto Canada that are telling me that this is happening.

No. Name the hospital. Nurses do not object to vaccines - they're nurses, they know the value of vaccines. Tell me which hospital this is happening in because I don't believe you.

You're right, they know the value of vaccines. They also know not to put something into their body that could potentially seriously hurt them and not know the long term effects on said experiment.
Houston methodist is one where over 153 nurses were fired or quit. And according to northwest university, 27% nationwide are not "vaccinated".

Houston Methodist has 24,947 employees, and they WILL NOT SAY - and YOU DO NOT KNOW - how many of the 153 employees who resigned are nurses. That has NOT been disclosed. Not to you, not to anyone.

And it has not left the hospital unable to function. They're just going to replace the staff with vaccinated workers and keep moving.

It's not at all the situation you described in the OP!!

What's your point? You said name a hospital where hospital staff are threatened with their jobs. I named one.

Never said it didn't. And YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. People don't want to work anymore regardless if they took the jab or not.

I described? Not my meme. But it is a the OP described. Here in commifornia, hospitals are requiring ALL health care employees to be vaccinated or risk losing their jobs, as well as industrial service employees such as LADWP where 80% of linemen and 75% of water works would rather quit than get the jab (direct info from union board member), also a majority of police and fire fighters are against the mandate too. So tell me who's going to make sure californians have water, power, safety and security, and healthcare when they all quit and move?

You know full well what the point is. The explicit point of the meme in the OP is that the vaccine mandates are causing a staffing shortage as bad if not worse than what COVID has already caused on nurse staffing and when challenged to name an example, you chimed in with a hospital where a VERY SMALL PORTION of the staff are affected AND FEWER OF THEM ARE DOCTORS/NURSES. And the reason for that is because doctors and nurses know full well that the vaccine is a positive influence on their work, hands down. There's no question in the medical profession, just among people like you.

It is NOT AT ALL the situation described in the meme and you know it.

Among people like me who have a medical degree?

Among people like you pushing the myth that it is in any way reasonable to believe that there's anything wrong with these vaccines. It's not. And if you do have the degree you say you have, you'll know why.

I'll say it again..."Rapidly fight and prevent infection", I didn't say prevent contracting. Bacteria and viruses enter the body all the time. That's called CONTRACTING. When said bacteria or virus multiplies and spreads throughout the body, that's called INFECTION. Something they teach you in grade school biology.

It does not prevent infection and never did. A vaccine doesn't make a magic barrier around your cells. Indeed, the active immune response doesn't even trigger until dead cells start appearing in your lymphatic system.

IT. DOES. NOT. PREVENT. INFECTION. But the improved ability to FIGHT infection reduces the transmission window and effects. That was always the point, ALWAYS.

So you're saying that you've been infected with malaria, typhoid, rubella, measles, tetanus, diphtheria, and/or polio?

Asymptomatically? For all I know, I could have been.

When a vaccine is administered, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it and prevent infection if and when exposed in the future. The covid-19 "vaccine" is not one because it does not actually prevent infection, or spreading infection,, but rather dulls symptoms which in turn makes it easier to spread because people don't know they are infected.

See, no. You got it wrong. It DOESN'T prevent infection - NOTHING DOES, it's a virus, it's too small. It helps FIGHT infection in the future.

Look at this photo. It is a very famous photo. Both these children caught polio on the same day. The one on the left is unvaccinated. The one on the right was vaccinated at birth. This is widely considered a successful vaccination story.

BOTH CHILDREN ARE SICK. But the vaccinated one is already on his way to recovery. The unvaccinated one is, as you can see, a much more serious case.

Vaccines NEVER prevented infection entirely. Ever. But reducing the rate of infection, by reducing the window of transmissibility, and reducing the effects and fatality of the virus, ABSOLUTELY ARE the desired functions of a successful vaccine.

And for God's sakes, this is basic stuff here. Never mind your claim about your medical degree, this is stuff that gets taught on Sesame Street to toddlers, for Christ's sakes.

When the vaccine does nothing about covid except dull symptoms, there's something wrong with calling it a vaccine. When there's severe adverse reactions, including death... there's something wrong with it. When the cdc and fda blatantly lie about the correlation of deaths and vaccine, as well as the inflated numbers of people who died but had covid (including suicide) there's something wrong.

Ok, now I KNOW you don't have this degree because you don't even know how a vaccine works.

Asymptomatic infections are better known as subclinical diseases. Subclinical diseases show no visible signs and may be in the early stage of the disease, i.e. when they CONTRACT the disease. Once the disease spreads and shows signs, then it is an infection.
I was trying to distinguish the two to make a point.... oh well.

I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to say you made a mistake. It's ok to make a mistake sometimes. But doubling down doesn't work. Medicine has happily defined a subclinical infection a long time ago.

I think your opinion of infection is greatly different than mine.
Infection, in my book, is not asymptomatic. Contraction is.
A person can contract a disease without knowing it and also be a carrier while being asymptomatic.
Once a person starts showing signs or symptoms, then it becomes an infection.

Well how's that medical degree coming?

It REALLY annoys me when people like you pass something off as "opinion". Asymptomatic infection has a clear medical definition and IT IS NOT OPINION that it exists. You are just wrong.

Do a little research and you'll find that 1 in 4 nurses are refusing to get vaccinated (source nurse.org) and the main reasons are - it hasn't been around long enough to be fully tested (usually takes between 6-14 YEARS) and no one knows the long term effects.
Once full testing is done and long term effects including those on reproduction and secondary effects on the children of those who are vaxed, then maybe they and I will get it.
However, mandating the people who were and are on the front lines of the so called pandemic to get the vaccine or lose their jobs is dictatorship and morally wrong. It should be their choice without repercussions.
So when the 25% of nurses quit or get fired, yes there will be a shortage. And the people that need medical attention will suffer for it.

We absolutely do know the long term effects of vaccination. Almost all side effects of vaccines present within two months. That's from 50 years of observation if not longer, depending on how picky you are about older studies.

AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT if you have the education you claim to have.

No, they really don't know the long term effects of a vaccine that hasn't done clinical trials and is less than two years old.
Medically speaking "long term effects" is related to the effects of something months to years after it took place.

And vaccines have been around for hundreds of years.

Everything about this vaccine that can be considered new technology flushes out of your body within two weeks, leaving the antibodies that are the entire purpose of the thing.

There is NO medical reason - NONE - to believe that this vaccine is going to pop some kind of wild card in 20 years that we didn't get with polio, smallpox, tetanus, etc etc etc etc.

For those asking, Toronto General Hospital, Sick Kids Hospital, that is where I personally know medical staff against the vaccines, there was also an organized walkout protests from hospitals across Canada by nurses and medical professionals against the mandatory vaccines organized by the nurses and medical staff themselves

For those stating that they are skeptical that this is happening, here is an article about one hospital in Ontario Canada by an official mainstream Newspaper where 140 staff are choosing not to take vaccines, from what I have heard this is what is happening at most hospitals. Thank about it, more tha a hundred staff who have been working in hospitals for the past year and a half in a hospital are opting out of taking the shots, what do they know about the shots that is not being told to the public? https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/09/22/140-unvaccinated-staff-at-windsor-ont-hospital-placed-on-leave.html