Oops I did it again. I meant Apple pie because an apple is not a tree.

damnnnn thats a good one.

Well now you're just being daft.

It's a meme.

Yes, but even for a meme it's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?😕

No, not really. An apple, as to follow your logic, is a a stage in the development of a tree. Per your logic, an embryo is a human. Or, an apple is a tree.

Therefore, you have Tree Pie.

Yet we don't merely call a human at every stage of life "human adult". Nor do we need to pretend that relatively identical characteristics and capabilities must be in place at every cycle of something's life in order for it to be that something.

Think of the metamorphosis cycle for a Swallowtail butterfly. First it's an egg, then a caterpillar, then a chrysalis, then a mature butterfly. Yet scientists know and classify it as a Swallowtail in all of those stages even though it is also an egg, also a caterpillar, also a chrysalis at any of those earlier stages. It's intrinsically a Swallowtail, down to its DNA, because it quite literally can be nothing else.

Correct! We refer to them as what accurately describes them, baby, toddler, child, adolescent, adult, senior.

With regard to the bug, they refer to it by its species name. But larva, caterpillarchrysalis, butterfly all have different anatomy that warrant some classifications a caterpillar is not a butterfly. Thank you for augmenting my point.

You actually contradicted your own point.

I quite literally did not, though you managed to miss mine. Again, just because we have a different classification for a specific stage of a butterfly's life cycle doesn't mean it's not part of that cycle and therefore not a butterfly.

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/insects-invertebrates/how-does-a-caterpillar-turn-into-a-butterfly/

You are disputing mountains of evidence and unified scientific conclusions if you differ.

Humans don't go through nearly as complex a process. We start as one cell that multiplies until we die of old age. At no point in the life of that cell(s) can it be anything but human, even though we assign different names to different points along that timeline. Since we as a society hold that humans have intrinsic value and rights, and since no single moment marks a fundamental change in a human being's growth at the genetic blueprint level, there cannot possibly be any conclusion but that a human being exists from the moment of conception when that DNA blueprint is formed.

Given your "It's human because human DNA" example, your analogy is further called into question as caterpillars have different DNA structures than butterflies do. If it is a butterfly, it would have butterfly DNA. However it doesn't. It has caterpillar DNA. Further, sober (and very eminent) biologist, Bernd Heinrich, states that the metamorphosis is actually the death of one creature and the birth of another. Check it out here:

https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/08/01/157718428/are-butterflies-two-different-animals-in-one-the-death-and-resurrection-theory

I actually had to double take this article when I read it.

I read that article as well. However, it's just a theory. It's definitely not the prevailing consensus.

Secondly, caterpillars do in fact have the genetic layout for everything they need to metamorpihize (spelling?) into a butterfly. The organs are all there, just stunted by hormones (insert joke about them being trans here).

If the overwhelming consensus is that an animal's life cycle doesn't necessitate that it always be physically identical to every other stage, there is no basis for arguing a human is somehow not human at some point. We delineate stages of growth for reference purposes, but at no point does it undergo a sudden and whole transformation at any level, be it genetic, bodily, or mentally.

And finally, a question for you; if it's not human, and taking into account its unique DNA, then what is it?

Then what it is, is just a collection of cells.
; tissue

And what exactly are those human cells doing? (Hint: They're not remaining idle.)

"Dude, cells in our body literally undergo meiosis or mitosis every day.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-process-of-cytokinesis-in-human-cells.html"

Yes, that is something cells do, not humans.

The gymnastics you're doing to justify yourself are mental. Humans are made of cells.

Which "it" are you referring to?

Fertilized egg, zygote, embryo, pretty much any human at a developmental stage in which you argue it is not in fact human.

"The gymnastics you're doing to justify yourself are mental. Humans are made of cells."

There's no gymnastics. They aren't human. I do not have control over their immediate function in whether they can evade or attack another cell. They work independently of me.

A house can be made of bricks, but that doesn't mean that the house is a brick. Nor is the brick a house.

"And what exactly are those human cells doing? (Hint: They're not remaining idle.)"

Cytokinesis. Something humans don't do.

Dude, cells in our body literally undergo meiosis or mitosis every day.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-process-of-cytokinesis-in-human-cells.html