Oppose the calls for secession.

1 - we create our own tos?
2 - valid point
3 - we could have our own mods, but still valid point
4 - not necessarily

considering it all, i choose to stay neutral

1- We tried drafting the constitution and it got shot down
2- exactly
3- But mods of this stream can't nuke banned users, the only way they can get nuked is if they harass another stream outside of here
4- Besides cussing, there are uncensored yiff streams, and i encountered porn in an automotive stream so i flagged it and they got it taken down. They post porn, and nothing happens to them, as we lose GM support.

Also why do people wanna leave Imgflip again? Is there a point. All i can see it doing is ending is disatrer because we'd be weaker divided and trolls would find it easier to attack.

Exactly.

1 - A separate IMGFLIP_PRESIDENTS would have a TOS written for the people by the people.
2 - If anything, a secession would generate more attention towards this stream.
3 - That's the point of this secession; to give our own mods the necessary power.
4 - Our own mods can take this down.
5 - We'll be as vulnerable to them as we are now.
6 - Not with that attitude.

We tried drafting a constitution for here but the majority of the stream said no.
But we lose support of our allies, and we have no defense to back it up.
But we can’t. We can’t nuke people, as this can;
A. Be easily abused
B. You have to be here 3+ years and be 21 to get global mod
True, but they’re gonna keep going.
Exactly. And without GM support we are vulnerable to these alt attacks. And people in here are waiting to break the TOS for a long time.
Attitude doesn’t matter. We know we can’t because we are still in the site.

1 - When we leave the website and no longer have a TOS, somehow I have a feeling that might change.
2 - Why would we lose support of allies? Why would wanting independence make everyone hate us all of a sudden?
3 - Try reading my original point again. I said that I want that changed. You bringing up the current situation is an irrelevant point because it won't apply anymore.
4 - In that case we'll be as vulnerable to them as we are now. I'm not sure I see your point here.
5 - Try reading my original point again. There will be practically zero difference in how much we're affected by these trolls.
6 - Again, you bringing up the current situation is an irrelevant point because it won't apply anymore.

Us leaving the website as a whole means we have to make our own website. And then the stream name doesn’t make sense.
Because if we declare independence and leave here, they are still in imgflip borders, not us if we leave.
But it still does apply. Unless you can make another website, and make me a global mod, then no. We can’t.
No, we’ll be more vulnerable to them when we leave, since
A. Porn rules don’t apply when we leave, thus Jeffery can post thong pics of him on this stream
B. Harassment no longer applied to here, thus whitenat allowed to be racist
But your point is invalid, because we need to create another website. Whitenat has sketchy friends over at 4chan, kek.gg, and gab.

1, 2 & 6 - No it doesn't. If you actually read the proposal you would know that we only want to be free from the site mods and their rules, not create an entirely different website.
3 - 🤦‍♂️The reason we want independence is because we want the mods to let us do that.
4 & 5 - NSFW rules can still apply, because as I already pointed out earlier: we will have a TOS written for the people by the people.

Which leads back to my point, We can't break free from TOS as long as we are on this site.
"We want the mods to let us do that" Is entirely your point for secession. and they won't let you, so why try?
But we break free from TOS, INCLUDING NSFW AND HARASSMENT POSTS.

Which leads me back to MY point: the reason that we are asking for independence in the first place is because we want to be allowed to break free from the TOS. You're making this argument go in a pointless, endless circle. How do you know they won't let us? Do you speak for the site mods? Are you their spokesperson? Is there a rule saying we're not allowed to want independence? Are we not even allowed to try?

Why don't we make our own website then? We can just make our own TOS on this site but if yall wanna leave so bad…
I dont get why we cant just make our own rules on this stream?