I’m just asking

It might look that way but the LGBTQ+ community is trying to just be accepted for who they are and homophobic, transphobic, etc. people are trying to deny us that right. If you have blond hair and someone tells you it is wrong to have blond hair and all blondes are devil worshippers and will go to hell and you just want to keep your naturally blond hair, are you as radical for fighting for what you are as the people telling you you shouldn't exist in your natural form?

Ok

It's hard to see how the LGBTQ+ community is radical; they just want to exist and live openly in society without persecution. They can't change who they are, who they love, or how they feel - it isn't an opinion or an option.

Homophobes, on the other hand? They don't want LGBTQ+ individuals existing. Hate is always optional... and always extremist. Whether it is suppression, harassment, conversion, or violence, these people mean to do harm. They want to make that hate public policy.

This isn't really a question of "both sides are the same" or "both sides have valid points." It's blatantly clear to me who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

I know religion is commonly used as an excuse. Here's the problem with that: even if we were to accept that the Bible is being correctly translated and interpreted as being against homosexuality (it's not), Jesus still said "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself." He still saved a prostitute from stoning. He still openly admired the good deeds of pagans while criticizing his own people for not being as merciful. What would Jesus REALLY do in regards to LGBTQ+ people? He probably would have blessed them and went on his way.

Ok so yes I agree but as a Christian the Bible clearly says it is wrong to be homosexual. Being in the world we are in now, most Christians or Catholics hate homosexuals for that. But I do agree he would forgive homosexuals. But he didn’t like what the people in the Bible did did he? He just loved everyone so much that he forgave them all by dying to pay for their sins.

1) Genesis 19: The story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Not actually about the sin of homosexual sex. If you read the story carefully, you may come to one of two conclusions - that the sin committed is rape, or that the sin committed is to turn away a stranger.

2) Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. The word that is translated as "Man" is thought to be a reference to Men in one's family (incest). In other words, it is saying if you prohibited from having sex with this female family member, the same goes for male family members. This makes sense since these verses occur alongside verses specifically about incest.

3) The accounts of King David and Jonathan, and of Ruth and Naomi are both highly homoerotic.

4) Matthew 8; Luke 7 - the story of the Roman Centurion's servant. The word that is commonly translated as "servant" or "slave" in this story was also historically used to describe the younger partner in a homosexual relationship. Jesus healed the homosexual partner of a Roman soldier and even praised him for his show of faith.

5) Do unto others as you would have done unto you. I can't stress this enough. It's the one rule to rule them all. You wouldn't want to be told who to love, who to marry, how to show your affection to them, would you? Then don't do it to others. As long as it's a consensual relationship between two adults, no one has the right to interfere.

I'm a former Christian who has spent 20 + years (the majority of my life) studying all religions and faiths. Even though I had previously rejected Christianity completely, I've come to appreciate it as a bedrock of modern morality and realized that there is much wisdom in the Bible. With that said, I've also learned not to trust mainstream preachers, ministers, or priests when it comes to their understanding of the Bible. It is horribly mistranslated, misinterpreted, and taken out of context by the current Christian establishments for their own purposes.

Hate gets butts in pews. If you wonder why the Bible is being presented as anti-homosexual, it comes down to that simple fact. Whether it's a conscious decision on behalf of the various denominations or not is debatable, but the cause and effect of hate affecting church attendance is clear to me.

What I was saying was that if god forgave someone that doesn’t mean the sin they did was ok to do. He forgave them from that sin they did and gave them a second chance to do better

And what I'm saying is that the Bible does NOT clearly state that it's wrong to be a homosexual, if examined closely.

Hmm I disagree with you but I understand your stance, we can just agree to disagree

I guess I’ve always kinda explained the difference like this:

It’s kinda like segregation (but less extreme)

People hated and oppressed other people for something they couldn’t control

So those that were oppressed fought back for their right to live in peace

For them fighting is a choice. For us fighting is necessary for our fellow lgbtq members to survive free.

Ye

That is slightly true, yes

well i mean... holy shit... you kinda got a point i guess? but yeah that is true and junk but... yeah i guess that is right lol

Ye

yeah i guess so? but hey thats just my opinion on this and im no therapist or whatever but yeah xd

I personally take no side in this argument

yeah me neither, i dont like it nor do i hate it, i just joined to abuse the fact that if they didnt laugh at my dad jokes they would give a straight face lol

Lmao that’s a good one

yeah i favor in dad jokes lol