Antifa and BLM terrorized parts of the nation for months. 4 or 5 conservatives riot for a few minutes and Dems wet themselves.

So out of touch lol.

I saw today where it is now 20,000 soldiers. And it is starting to come now that most of the violence in DC was Antifa posing as Trump supporters.

So you mean to tell me that this _whole_ time that it was Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and the other right wing groups that were the cause of the BLM riots?

Imagine being this f**king brainwashed

You will literally believe anything you're told, apparently.

I'm just telling you what is being reported. I never said that you must believe it. Far be for me to do anything to destroy the liberal fantasy world you all live in. The world where you think that the rich are an endless supply of cash from which you think you have the right to steal from. And you think the you can have them pay for your college, healthcare, housing, food, gas are all a right because the rich will never run out of money to pay for all of that.

I also said "apparently".

apparently:
(adverb) as far as one knows or can see.

You reported what you know and failed to give your stance on the matter leaving the reader to assume that you didn't dispute the claims presented. I never said that I 100% believed this to be true of you. I reserved judgement as your question was evidently left intentionally vague to create a gotcha moment. You then go on to talk about how the left has their perception of the events of Capitol Hill is fantasy. Yet, you go on to define that fantasy with a red herring of socialism. So, regardless of which "fantasy" I choose to debunk, you then create another gotcha moment. Like you tried to do just now.

And people wonder why some of the left express such animosity for the mindgames that can come from the right-wing.

That's because I don't have a stance on the matter. I have no idea if it was Antifa, the Proud Boys, the Girl Scouts trying to sell cookies or the Estonian Ballet troupe. I wasn't there.

There was no gotcha moment. I wasn't lying in wait to attack anyone. I'm just saying that this is what some people are reporting and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was true.

The left has had a long history of committing all sorts of violence in this country and the right does not. So it is kind of a shock that there was violence at this event. I know that frustrations are very high on the right because this election was so clearly stolen and everyone in a position to do anything about it just ignored it without lifting a finger to investigate.

If you want to really piss the right off then stealing an election with such a popular president would definitely do that. There are Republicans who think Trump was the best president we ever had. I'm not one of them but then I am also not a Republican (I'm in the Constitution Party). I think Trump did some good things. One thing he showed was that Obama's dismal economy which he called the "new normal" was NOT normal, it was dismal. Trump got everyone working again. But now Biden cheated his way in and he's going to kill the economy again because that is just what Democrats always do.

That's because I don't have a stance on the matter. I have no idea if it was Antifa, the Proud Boys, the Girl Scouts trying to sell cookies or the Estonian Ballet troupe. I wasn't there.

There was no gotcha moment. I wasn't lying in wait to attack anyone. I'm just saying that this is what some people are reporting and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was true.
>> Fair enough, leaving the reader to guess typically isn't a wise idea in a place of such heated debate. Friendly advice :) This place is a place where the fog of war is heavy, and everyone's aiming at everyone. You tend to get used to it.

The left has had a long history of committing all sorts of violence in this country and the right does not. So it is kind of a shock that there was violence at this event. I know that frustrations are very high on the right because this election was so clearly stolen and everyone in a position to do anything about it just ignored it without lifting a finger to investigate.
>> I would disagree, the violence of the right-wing is well documented.
If you want to really piss the right off then stealing an election with such a popular president would definitely do that. There are Republicans who think Trump was the best president we ever had. I'm not one of them but then I am also not a Republican (I'm in the Constitution Party).
>> Thanks for specifying!

I think Trump did some good things. One thing he showed was that Obama's dismal economy which he called the "new normal" was NOT normal, it was dismal.

Trump got everyone working again.

>>https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
Could you please explain the trend that takes starts in 10/2009 in this link showing unemployment rates dropping from 10% to 4.7% in Jan 2017? Was that Democrats destroying the economy?
Or maybe this link:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/
Showing how the GDP has a pattern between the years '13-'16 and '17-'19? Obviously our GDP tanked in '20. So, the pattern is incomplete for that year as there was the pandemic anomaly. Or maybe how the Clinton years were better than any other presidency in modern history?

But now Biden cheated his way in and he's going to kill the economy again because that is just what Democrats always do.
>> Erm. No, there's been no cheating by the Biden administration. Trump literally rode off of Barak's achievements. Which is kind of a racist trope in irony

There are so few crimes on the left in comparison to the categories of crimes on the right, that those options simply weren't available for the left wing.

I think someone is rewriting history. That is what I make of those charts. I know for a fact that the unemployment rate shot way up under Obama. So much so that just before the 2012 election he had the Bureau of Labor Statistics re-calculate how unemployment is counted which caused an immediate drop in the unemployment rate. BTW they are still calculating unemployment the same way all during the Trump administration.

However, the labor participation rate tells a different story.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
This number is not based on the number of people who have filed for unemployment. This is the number of working age adults vs the number of available jobs. This accounts for those who have been unemployed longer than the 2 years that Obama extended unemployment compensation to. They had fallen off the roles and essentially had given up.

Labor participation rate begin a drastic drop under Obama. Under Trump it started climbing back up until the COVID-19 lock downs.

The GDP plummeted into the negative the last year of Bush but dropped further under the 1st year of Obama. What this does not show is the GDP to debt ratio. The GDP is, as you know, the amount of money produced in the private sector. It is always good to have a GDP that is growing but you also have to keep spending down which neither Obama OR Trump did. However Obama sent the debt to GDP ratio up over 100% for most of his first term in office. This is the first time it went over 100% since the Great Depression. It caused us to have, for the first time in US history, have our credit rating lowered, not once but 3 times. There is one other time that the debt to GDP ratio went over 100% and that was at the beginning of the lock downs. That is because Trump spent money just like Obama. All of the Tea Partiers who marched to protest Obama's spending went silent when Trump did it. I was a Tea Partier and I did not go silent but I am just one guy so no one heard me scream.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
Uh... that spike is under the Trump era. As for Obama era? It's entirely possible that in your area/state that unemployment shot up. Not all locales are the same as far as job opportunity goes. But overall, unemployment went down. This data is represented at bls.gov.

I appreciate that you send me links to articles about Obama's economy but if you can I am going to need you to show me any violent conservatives.

There has never been a Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Antifa or BLM (the organization, not the movement) on the right.

I was a part of the Tea Party and they got a bad rap in the press but there was not one incidence of violence at any Tea Party event.

There is some question about the Proud Boys during the Capitol riots. I don't know much about them but up until that point they have not been violent. They showed up at Antifa riots just to try to protect the businesses from getting burned down by Antifa and BLM.

The Occupy Wall Street group was not a violent group but they had a few murders among themselves. They left several tons of garbage and human waste when they left their protest sites.

The vast majority of mass shootings are caused by people on the left. There are 3 different types of people who commit mass murders (i.e. generally defined as 4 or more murders). They are leftists, Muslims and apolitical psychos. The Muslims (except for 9/11) and apolitical psychos are a small minority of mass murderers. Most of them are leftists. I am pretty sure that somewhere a conservative may have committed one. It is just the law of averages. I just do not know of any. I started paying attention to that right after Columbine. Sometimes I had to look a little deeper but this is what I found every time.

The only one that I can think of where I have found nothing conclusive is the Las Vegas shooter. But most of his friends were liberals and he shot up a country music concert. It is pretty well known that most country music fans are conservative, even if some the performers are liberals. So it stands to reason that he was some liberal out shooting conservatives but like I said I never found anything that said one way or the other about what group he fitted in.

However, TV and movies ALWAYS tell the exact opposite. They always portray every shooter, every radical or every whatever as a conservative. The facts just do not bear this out. I do not know of any.

There were some abortion clinic killings years ago but that was more religious in nature and those people were NOT indicative of Christianity at all. In fact if you define a Christian as someone who is trying to live the teachings of Jesus Christ then those abortion murderers were acting in direct opposition to Jesus Christ.

Stop lying.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7%3famp

The first lie in that article is that Antifa hasn't killed anyone. Well technically that is true but the protests are all Antifa and BLM (plus a handful of other Communists who showed up from time to time). A black retired police chief who was murdered at one of the protests last summer but I am pretty sure it was BLM that killed him..

The second lie is that Antifa is "a leaderless movement dedicated to combatting right-wing and white supremacist groups".

That is utter BS. You can go to their website and see it is a structured organization dedicated to promoting Communism. They claim they are fighting white supremacy by finding random white people, calling them racists and then beating them up. This is what they were doing in Portland long before the riots.

The third lie: "The most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the 'boogaloo' movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States."

What the hell is the "boogaloo" movement??? Is that another fabricated group to scare liberal children? First off there are only about 10 KKK members left in the country. How on earth are they a threat? When have they attacked anyone? There was an incident in Charleston, SC in 2017 that resulted in one death and 19 injuries. There were a bunch of KKK, Neo-Nazis and Neo-Fascists who had a run in with BLM. What you need to know is that NO ONE on the right or left likes or supports any of those groups. We all despise them. The second thing is that Nazis and Fascists are extreme left wing groups. Nazism and Fascism are both Socialist groups. There is NOTHING right wing about either. There is virtually no difference at all between Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Nazism. All of the people who promotes those ideologies all took or take inspiration from Karl Marx. All of them. Hitler identified closely with Marx because they were both self-hating Jews who want to exterminate every Jew on the planet. The extreme right is anarchy NOT tyrannical government. What we were taught in school was a lie.

But the biggest lie is more of an omission. They never gave a single instance of any violent action committed by anyone on the right. They just said that these extremist left wing groups said that they have compiled a list. Where is the list? There was no link to it.

My god you're dumb. You're very capable of writing very long responses, but when I actually look at what's being written, substance is clearly lacking.

1. Show me definitive evidence that the black officer was killed by someone affiliated by BLM or Antifa.

2. Who's the leader of antifa? Give me a definitive answer.

3. No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

I don't get to reply to your last post but there is a reply button on this post.

This is NBC news so they are just going to call them "looters". They won't tell you that those looters were BLM. Back when it happened it was well known that those "looters" were BLM.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-looters-while-trying-protect-n1223386

They are remaining anonymous on their website but these are the people who Antifa is calling the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technical Officer. However, you might be right. Antifa is an umbrella organization that represents several Communist groups that want to destroy America. So the leaders are in those smaller groups. But they are well coordinated because prior to every riot they had pallets of bricks delivered at several cites around the country. I think I remember Snopes says it didn't happen but Snopes is ran by radical leftists and lost all respect for accuracy several years ago. There were very clearly photos from the different cities of these pallets of bricks showing up nowhere near a construction site. They were being placed there so that Antifa could throw them threw windows. There were a couple of pallets that were near a construction site that got reported as left there by Antifa and that is where all of the liberal "fact" checkers point when "debunking" what actually happened.

The boogaloo bois sound like idiots. I need more information because I have caught Wikipedia in verifiable lies when it comes to politics.

I think anyone trying to foment a civil war be it the boogaloo bois or Antifa are major league idiots. The last thing I ever want to see happen in this country is another civil war. It won't be like the last one where it was to different regions of the country. This will happen nationwide and it will be based on ideology. The problem with that is you cannot look at a liberal or conservative and know what they believe. If the liberal is wearing a Che t-shirt or a conservative is wearing a Reagan t-shirt or MAGA hat then you might have a clue.

Regardless, I see a whole lot of innocent people getting killed and I don't want that.

Oh yeah, I forgot. I make long post that you cannot understand and I have exceeded your comprehension level so I'll stop.

Nah man, PB are known provocatuers Violence has been a key component of the Proud Boys since the group’s creation.

August, 2020, members of the Proud Boys fought with counter-protestors in Portland, Oregon. This clash between right-wing and left-wing activists was one of many in Portland and other American cities throughout the summer, and Proud Boys had been a fixture at most of them.

Ahead of the August brawl, one prominent member of the group, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, who is barred from taking part in any protest in Portland as a condition of his probation following his sentencing for assault, explained that the Proud Boys were in the streets because they were “pissed off and didn’t want to see this country burn.” This is part of a trend of far right vigilantism where Proud Boys self-deputize in order to “assist” law enforcement. Armed with bear mace, clubs, paintball guns and in the case of one Proud Boys member, an actual gun, the Proud Boys engaged in multiple acts of violence against counter-protestors and members of the media. One journalist suffered a broken finger when Proud Boys member Travis Taylor allegedly attacked him with a club.

Patriot Prayer, frequent Proud Boys collaborators, organized another protest that turned violent, on August, 2020. The event was attended by Proud Boys, including Alan Swinney, who would later brandish a revolver at the August protest, and who came to the earlier August event armed with a paintball gun, which he used on counter-protestors. One person was injured after being hit with a paintball pellet, although it is unknown if Swinney was the shooter. At least two gunshots were reported during the protest; the shooter remaining unknown. One day earlier, Proud Boys clashed with counter-protestors in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

However, no members of the Proud Boys were arrested in the aftermath of these protests although a Multnomah County judge issued a new warrant for Tusitala Toese following his appearance at the August protest.

Personally? I know PB were just driving through the streets, revving their engines at people using the crosswalk, then threatening to run them over while spraying them with bear mace. Mind you, these weren't protesters. Instead, they were bystanders who were in close proximity to where the protests were.

Would you like to know more?

A few months ago I went to the Proud Boys website because the mainstream media stopped reporting the truth decades ago. I have more trust in the weather man than I do in the lead anchor of the news. I saw what they stood for and I did not see anywhere that they promoted violence.

You even said it yourself when you said they are “pissed off and didn’t want to see this country burn.” Who was burning the country? It certainly wasn't the PB.

You called them self appointed vigilantes. Yes that is true. When the police stop doing their jobs then you get self appointed vigilantes who are trying to protect themselves and others from a band of thugs who only want to destroy everything.

I am not saying there haven't been any PB members who did not instigate violence. I am not a member of the PB, nor am I interested in joining them. But I will say that there is a huge difference in the reason why Antifa/BLM and the PB are at those riots. Antifa and BLM are there to destroy people's businesses, homes and lives. All they want is destruction. They are the very definition of domestic terrorism. The left will never admit that. They want to tell everyone that they are "mostly peaceful protestors". Yes and after the "mostly peaceful protestors" go home for the day the rest of Antifa and BLM burn everything in site.

The police have been told to stand down by the liberal politicians who run the cities where all of the riots happened. There was a small handful of incidences where Antifa tried to riot in a city that was not controlled by Democrats and they ALL got shut down faster than they could even light their first match.

I would think that what happens 99 out of 100% of the time is some Antifa or BLM rioter attacks a PB guy who is standing in front of a building that Antifa/BLM wants to burn down. If any member of the PB tries to defend themselves that is reported as an assault on Antifa/BLM.

I do not think Kyle Rittenhouse was a member of the PB. There was another group of Communists marching with Antifa that attacked Kyle just because he was there. Video evidence shows clearly that Kyle did not instigate anything. He was just standing there. He got chased away twice by one of the pistol wielding thugs. He came back and got attacked again in the middle of the street. They knocked Kyle to the ground and was just about to blow his head off when Kyle finally used his AR-15 to save his own life. It is very clear if you watch the entire video.

Also, there is no question, they were there.

Like I said, I am not a member of PB, I am not defending them. If PB or PP committed a crime then send them to jail. I am not defending their actions just because they are right wing groups. Anyone who commits a crime needs to suffer the full penalty of the law.

That includes the domestic terrorists who have terrorized mostly Portland and Seattle but other cities across the nation. They should not be coddled or excused by the left, they should be in prison.

Just so you fully understand, there would be no PP or PB if it wasn't for Antifa and BLM causing so much violence and destruction. Therefore, despite what PB and PP might have done, they would have never done it if Antifa/BLM was not doing far worse things.

Just so you understand, ANTIFA says the same thing about PB/PP. What I do know, is that I've seen PP/PB come from out of state to protest something that doesn't concern them. ANTIFA and others came out to protest their presence in the State of Oregon. I don't think there's ever going to be a "Who struck first" answer. The situation is, they both exist. They both counter protest each other. On Capitol Hill, Proud Boys Charged the Capitol chanting "F**K ANTIFA!" Assuredly, none were there.

Those arrested involved in Portland/Seattle riots were found to have no ties to ANTIFA except for that one guy who shot a PB in Portland who fled to WA.

I ran out of replies. So this may be the last time I get to reply to you on this thread. I do not believe that one bit. Antifa had been rioting looooooong before PB and PP ever showed up.

You haven't been following Antifa too much. They send their maggots all around the country also. Several Antifa members have been sited in various states.

I really have no idea why or how you can possibly continue to act like Antifa are the ones being injured. They are the worst people this nation has ever had to endure next to the Democrats who gave them carte blanc to commit so much destruction.

The have caused somewhere around the neighborhood of 500 Billion dollars in property damage. It had nothing to do with George Floyd, they were just using that as an excuse. They were out there doing this before there ever was the PB or PP.

There is clearly a who struck first answer. It is just so bloody obvious. Are you trying to say that PB and PP just showed up in Portland and Seattle one day and then a few months later Antifa formed to react to the PB and PP? PB and PP are clearly a reactionary group trying to prevent more damage caused by those maggot terrorists. Not to mention Antifa has been around since the early 20th Century. They were Communists fighting Nazis. Even back then they were confused because Fascism was invented out of Socialism by Benito Mussolini in Italy. Hitler had nothing to do with that other than he was in awe of Mussolini until he met him. Then the awe turned to jealousy because Mussolini was clearly smarter than Hitler. Regardless Communists fighting Nazis is like Tyler Durden fighting Edward Norton's character in Fight Club.

If you are talking about a specific Antifa riot that PB showed up to then that is different. Fortunately I haven't been to anywhere near any of those riots. I live far away from any of the riots. So I have no way of knowing. Besides I do not want to be put in the position of defending people I do not know. Besides if PB ever harmed one of the left's little darling angels it would be in every newspaper and on every news channel in the country showing how brutal PB is.

"...Today, antifa activists focus on harassing right wing extremists both online and in real life. Antifa is not a unified group; it is loose collection of local/regional groups and individuals. Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive..."
https://www.adl.org/antifa

If you are in favor of anything in this image in the meme, then I suppose yes, I'm against you. This is what our boys of WWII fought against. Don't be anti-american.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

2/ As violent as the media suggests, or Donald Trump, for that matter. With PB, it's a little bit harder as they do have a membership. They do have a code and even a fourth level where you are required to have sacrificed something to be this rank. This usually means fighting ANTIFA:

"Finally, the fourth level, which McInnes did not describe in the foundational document, is an honorary degree awarded for “a material sacrifice or service by a brother.” McInnes said in an interview that the fourth degree is awarded for ”a major fight for the cause. You get beat up, kick the crap out of an antifa,"

Gavin McInnes, the founder of Proud Boys is an openly racist, sexist, islamophobic, asshole. You should read some of the bullshit from his mouth. So, yes I oppose them and bewildered by the Right wing will not represent themselves in a new party to separate from the proudboys or ostracize them at their events. I mean, I know why from your perspective, but I don't understand why you turn a blind eye to these guys. ANTIFA, extremist and all do oppose these guys. On this, I can agree with them. Those who commit violence aren't of the Democrat/liberal party. They are of the Anarchist party (by this I mean they don't subscribe to politics as they oppose the government) and Extreme libertarians.

These guys are so far left wing that they almost could be allies of the Boogaloo boiz as they both subscribe to anarchy.

When Fascism comes to America it will be brought here by Antifa. Jesus stood for freedom. Regardless of the fact some bad people used Christianity to enslave people, Jesus stood for freedom. There will and always be malignant narcissists who either want to control or be controlled. Right now those people are all Marxists and Socialists.

Freedom is God's plan. Slavery is Satan's plan. Our founding fathers gave us the most freeing document to limit the power of government ever written. They were all devout Christians. Even Thomas Jefferson, who was a deist was a Christian. He believed in Jesus, just not His miracles. In the long term the miracles Jesus performed are irrelevant to the message He delivered and the sacrifice He made for all of us. So whether Jefferson believed in the miracles or not does not matter when he believed in the morals Jesus taught.

Jesus's morals were so important to Jefferson that he published an excerpt of the New Testament that only contained the morals that Jesus taught and required all freshmen Congressmen to read these morals so that they would actually represent their constituents and not themselves..

Jefferson comes under a lot of criticism from the left because he owned slaves. At some point when Jefferson was speaking of freedom from English rule he came to understand his own hypocrisy of owning another human. To rectify this he presented bill and bill to the Virginia state legislature to free all slaves. When those bills failed he tried to get Virginia law changed so that he could at least free his slaves but each time the state legislature voted his bills down.

George Washington also had this same realization but was also prevented by Virginia state law from freeing his slaves. There was one loophole that Washington took advantage us. Upon his death he could free his slaves. And he did. That loophole was close before Jefferson died.

Robert E Lee also came to that same realization and was likewise prevented by law from freeing his slaves. He didn't fight for the Confederacy in support of slavery, he fought for the Confederacy because he was a proud Virginian and his state had joined the Confederacy.

But no one in Antifa ever bothered to learn that before they torn down all of the statues of Washington, Jefferson and Lee. One of my college professors once said, "The most dangerous thing is ignorance in action". Antifa is ignorantly destroying the symbols of freedom along with freedom.

Jesus was a Jew. He was also a socialist as he always shared what he had. Jesus would have accepted the LGBTQ community. Jesus would love his brother, whether he followed Islam or Judaism (Because he was a Jew.)

The excuse for Robert E Lee is not valid. He knew for what reason his state had championed. They were taking the cause of owning slaves. That is the die-hard loyalty where regardless of your intentions, you go down with the ship as that is the ship you have chosen to stay aboard.

It is not that these other figures in history were or were not repentant of the slaves they owned, but instead that the monuments make no mention of it. They are instead glorified heroes.

Imagine being abused for 30 years, your abuser realizes (finally) that what they're doing is wrong. They seek an apology to his fellow abusers, his abusers forgive him. When the apology should have instead gone to the ones who were abused. That's the issue.

Jesus was never a Socialist. Socialism is always by force. You cannot force charity. Charity comes from love and is given voluntarily. Socialism is by force and takes from those who have and claims to give to those who have not. But because those who have just will never have enough money to give to those who do not then the ruling elites just keep the money for themselves. All of the incentive to produce has been take out of the rich and they no longer are productive. When they stop producing then Socialism becomes Communism and Communism forces people to produce by quota. Everyone lives in abject poverty and works only to support the ruling elite.

Then eventually the entire house of card collapses under its own weight. That is when, typically a new Socialist regime moves in and say, what Socialist always say, They didn't do it right, we'll get it right this time". Then the entire cycle is repeated again and again and again.

Also Jesus was apolitical. If He was about politics then He would not have been crucified, at least as early as he was crucified. What is called palm Sunday when Jesus rode into Jerusalem was a major turning point. Most of his followers believed he was going to Herod palace and take over and kick the Romans out. But Jesus never intended that and turned from that rode and went to the temple. This angered a lot of His supporters and they turned on him. Judas was one of the ones who turned on Him and was directly responsible for Jesus's capture and subsequent crucifixion.

Jesus did teach charity but it was never forced. He also never wanted any of us to forfeit our responsibility to be charitable to the government. Charity is our responsibility and ours alone.

Robert E Lee was not the evil man you think he was. Not everyone in the South was fighting for slavery. Only 7% of the population of the US ever owned slaves. Do you think that the other 93% were all willing to die so that a small handful of rich people could own slaves??? Especially in the North. There were people doing everything they could to get out of the draft. They didn't want to fight the South. The Irish even rioted in NYC because they were afraid the freed slaves were going to come up and take their low wage jobs away.

The North had a real job trying to convince people to fight their fellow countrymen. Then many Northern states begin passing laws that said it was illegal for blacks to immigrate to their states.

“No one can serve two masters,” Jesus says in Matthew 6:24. “Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.” I

In Luke 12:15, Jesus says, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.’”

Jesus not only urged people to be kind to others in their everyday lives. He was also talking about those in government who ruled over others, including the priests who ruled Judea for Rome and the rulers of the Roman empire.

Where did you get that idea? Jesus' entire mission and message was directed at the individual. Like I said earlier, if His mission was to the government he would have spent all of his time at the government. His mission would have been about forcing the people to obeying Him. He never did that. He spent it with the people. He told all of us to be kind to each other.

He did spend time with the Rabbis but that was mostly to call them out because they had perverted God's message.

The only thing He ever said about government was "rend unto Caesar that which is Caesars". The left jumps on that to say pay your taxes. That is not what that means. Under the Caesars all currency and its value belonged to Caesar. He "let" people use to be able to live. Jesus just said give it back to its owner.

In the US the currency maybe owned by the government but the value does not. There is no reason why the currency even needs to be owned by the government. Ron Paul had the idea of letting banks print their own currency to introduce competition in currency. That would cause the value of each bill to increase. Since Obama the goal of the the government and the Federal Reserve has been to devalue the currency to nothing. It had been devaluing ever since Nixon took us off the gold standard but Obama really pushed it down with his permanent quantitative easing plan.

What he had he had to share, and so he did. Jesus was about selflessness and loving your neighbor and turning the other cheek. He was about the community, not serving the self. Serving the self and the ego is literally what Satanism is about.

You are right. His message and His actions were about serving others. It is OUR responsibility to help those in need. He never said that you get a pass if you abdicate your responsibility to the government.

I don't know where this statistic is so don't ask me for it but I have heard for years now that Liberals are the least charitable and conservatives are the most charitable.

My opinion is that liberals think government is charity. Governments suck at charity. All governments have only ever excelled in enslaving, stealing and killing. None of those are charity. Government requires far too much overhead to maintain a "charitable" operation and with all of the corruption that governments, all governments have, that "charity" never has enough. And that is perfectly fine with Democrats. It always has been because then they just steal even more money from the producers and to give (mostly to themselves and) to the non-producers.

If you want to be charitable then find someone in need and help them. If you can't find anyone then look into a charity and donate to them. If you don't trust that charity (quite a lot of them keep 90% of what they receive) then find a church.

The Catholics and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do amazing things when it comes to helping the poor or helping those trying to recover from a natural disaster. They both have schools all over the world to help educate people that would otherwise never get an education. You can donate money or volunteer your time with them.

There are probably other Christian churches just as active in helping the poor but I am not personally acquainted with them. So if you don't like the Catholics or the LDS then you can find one of those churches. However the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not have a paid ministry at any level of the organization. I know this because I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know about the Catholics because I have Catholic friends and I know that my church has partnered with the Catholics in getting food, water, medical supplies and other needed items to the poor all around the world.

Charity is the pure love of Christ. You cannot force people to be charitable. Paying taxes is force. For government to be charity then you MUST make paying taxes voluntary and you MUST provide way so that your donations go to a specific dept. and not to the general fund. Plus you have to watch them close.

I am intimately familiar with LDS and what they do for people. I grew up as one. My parents divorced when I was 12. Meh. I do know that in our ward, tithes were a hard requirement. My parents couldn't afford to pay tithes and they hated us. It was like a neighborhood watch thing. They started watching everything we did, eventually turning against us when they could. I even lived in Utah. The founding state.

Let me tell you how ghost-town the agricultural towns are on Sundays LOL. Eventually, we had to flee because CPS was involved in a child-trafficking scheme where they took children from their families when they could and sold them to the highest bidder. Infants worth more.

I have the articles from our ordeal saved in newspaper clips in my email.

I've been LDS for 62 years (all of my life). I have received help moving in and out of places from other members of the Church. I have helped people move in and move out.

It happens ALL-THE-TIME and more so in Utah. I really do not think your 12 year old perspective of the LDS Church is accurate of who we are. Go talk to the survivors of major natural disasters all around the world and ask about the people wearing yellow t-shirts who came and helped clean up and re-build. The Church sends food, medicine, water and clothing all over the world to everyone, not just members of the Church. We have teamed up with Catholics to help where they had a better infrastructure than we do to help with their relief efforts. I really don't think you know much about the Church.

I know where Heber is. I used to live in Ogden.

I never said bishops were perfect. Bishops and State President and all of the way up to the President of the Church are just human beings. I've personally known bishops and stake presidents who have done terrible things. Fortunately they are in the minority and most of them are great men.

So I have had my run ins with bad LDS people. I have also known LDS people who were far better than any of us will ever be in their honesty and integrity.

You should never attend any church or religion just because of the people. It is the philosophy that they teach that should be the focus. The purpose of any religion is to make bad men good and good men better. If their teachings do not cause that to happen then either you have a problem or the teachings are flawed.

The LDS weren't practicing polygamy when they were in Missouri. There are several reasons why the extermination order was signed. One reason was because Kansas City (they settled in Independence, which is next door to KC) was the western frontier of the US in 1838. At the time and there were a lot of people who were of questionable character living there. They didn't want to see a bunch of religious people moving in.

The biggest reason is because Missouri was a slave state and the LDS were abolitionists. The rich thought that with so many LDS living in the state they could possibly vote slavery out of existence. BTW I also lived in Kansas City for 10 years. The extermination order was lifted in 1976 but clearly had not been practiced since the drove the LDS out.

I didn't leave because of the people. I know there's good Mormons out there. I left because of the fundamental principle of "Families are forever." I found was bullshit as my mother told me (on my birthday) that Dad wasn't coming home from long haul trucking because they were getting a divorce.

So, Dad wasn't going to be involved in ordaining me as a Deacon of the church? And you guys are getting a divorce? Lol. F**k that. I have my own relationship with "God" now. It's more secular, if there is such a thing. A practical approach if you will. One that isn't so centered around miracles and all that biblical pomp and circumstance.

But my faith isn't what's in question though. Sometimes, I've found good church communities. Invariably it descends into gossiping, fear mongering, etc. Just found it better if I went on it on my own as my relationship with God is no one else's business. It's just between me and them. (Since God is asexual, it would be an it/them)

You're paranoid if you think the LDS Church hated you because your family could not afford to pay tithing. The only one that would have known was the bishop. Bishops are under obligation to not tell anyone else about things like that.

If the ward hated you that was either just your perception or you lived in a bad ward. I have lived in very friendly and very unfriendly wards. I don't know what causes that but it happens. I have had times when I could not afford tithing but most of the time I could. The times I could not afford it, NO ONE turned on me and there is NO neighborhood watch going on. Perhaps it was all your guilt, I don't know. I have lived in Utah as well and I never saw anything like that, ever!

The only "neighborhood watch" like thing that I have ever seen is when a new person moves in half of the ward shows up to help them unpack, even if they are not members of the Church.

Technically speaking New York is the founding state. Utah is just where we ended up after fleeing the United States. Utah was a part of Mexico until a year after the LDSs got here. Then it became the United States. But at least we were a thousand miles away from those who were killing us. Did you know that the state of Missouri in 1838 issued an extermination order to get the Mormons out of the state by any means possible, including killing them?

Where did you live where they were trafficking children? I am not saying it could not happen in Utah. That happens all over the world. It is a major problem that everyone ignores. Islamic countries even condone it. There are more child and adult sex slaves in the world then there ever were African slaves all up and down the American continent.

Everyone seems to want to sweep that under the carpet and ignore it.

You're naïve if you think every single bishop will uphold his obligations. As if Mormons or Christians are perfectly without sin. (See bad ward.)

Living in six different wards, we never had this help you speak of. Moving in and all that. What guilt could I have had? I was Mormon up until 12 years old. You mean to tell me that I had some guilt where I noticed people looking through their blindfolds at us, telling their children to keep away from us? Jeeze man. Yeah, Them 12 year olds'll getcha.

I lived in Heber City, UT.

I did know that (regarding the origins of mormonism.) I know that it was Brigham Young (going from memory not Google) who had decided where the Salt Lake Temple would be built. That they had to rebuild the foundation, twice. I remember that people were going after them with pitchforks and torches. What I remember in my studies as a kid was that one of the reasons was the practice of polygamy.

I might have this wrong, but wasn't it God who punished Lamen and Lemmuel (Nephi's brothers) for sin? In so doing, turning their skin dark to represent their sin? I had the Book of Mormon Reader book when I was a kid, and I remember something like that. Could be way off on their names though.

That is a modern re-invention of Fascism. Why? Because most of the people in the world do not know what Fascism is. If you ask a 100 different people you will get 100 different answers. So when it comes to Fascism, I just turn to the source. The Father of Fascism, Benito Mussolini. What did Mussolini believe? The one thing he differed with Socialism, Communism and Nazism on was allowing business owners to continue running their businesses after all businesses had become nationalized. The other Socialist leaders didn't believe that. They took ownership and kicked everyone out.

What your image misses is why Fascism was bad. It wasn't bad because of nationalism. Nationalism is NOT a system of government, nor is it an economic system. Nationalism is just pride on the country you were born. That is all that nationalism is, yet that is what the left focuses on as being the great evil. It is a distraction. Nazi is an acronym for the National Socialist German Workers Party. Yes they were nationalists but what gave Hitler his power was Socialism not nationalism. Socialism is the collectivizing of ownership. It is the idea that the collective owns everything and the state controls the collective. That is the evil associated with Socialism. When you take away private ownership the people become slaves. They live at the pleasure of the state.

This is why Stalin, Hitler, Lenin and Mao had absolutely no problem with murdering 100 million people. The people's lives belonged to the state.

This is what Antifa is fighting FOR. This is what the Democrat party is fighting FOR. There are people in the world that crave that kind of power.

Rather than falling into the trap of you telling me I need to believe in everything on a list created by Socialists, I'll just tell you that I stand for freedom. That's it. I want people to be and live as free as possible. I want them to be able to own their lives, their land, everything they can afford or want to own. Everyone must be free regardless of race. The right to determine how we live our lives is the most important right we have. It is in direct opposition to Marxism and Socialism.

The ONLY document to tried to guarantee the most freedom to the most people is the Constitution of the United States of America. I oppose Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Socialism, Monarchies or dictatorships.

If you think other people need to be controlled then you do not support liberty.

It wasn't bad because of nationalism. Nationalism is NOT a system of government, nor is it an economic system.
>> Nationalism is a practice. Something you believe.

Nationalism is just pride on the country you were born. That is all that nationalism is, yet that is what the left focuses on as being the great evil. It is a distraction.
>> Nationalism: identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

To the Detriment of other nations. I'm not on board with that. We have allies. Yes, we can come first, but we can't come first so hard that we ditch our allies, which we have done some of that already.

Nazi is an acronym for the National Socialist German Workers Party. Yes they were nationalists but what gave Hitler his power was Socialism not nationalism. Socialism is the collectivizing of ownership. It is the idea that the collective owns everything and the state controls the collective. That is the evil associated with Socialism. When you take away private ownership the people become slaves. They live at the pleasure of the state.
>> Nearly everything you just said is wrong.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Socialism does not have to mean collectivizing. That resembles more closely to Communism. The whole point of socialism is that the workers don't become slaves.

You see, the tenets of my beliefs are that provided an entity does not show these qualities, I have no qualms with it. But, whether it is left or right, socialism, communism, conservativism, capitalism, I will be against it. They can all display some of the properties in that image.

What about the things you didn't talk about?
The marriage of Religion and Government?
Rampant Sexism?
Disdain for the intellectual arts?
Obsession with Crime and Punishment?
Supremacy of the Military?
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause? "The Other" (Before Trump it was much easier to make distinctions of centrists, moderates, far, extreme. Trump comes on the scene and he says the left is ONLY extreme and you guys are "just" right wing.)
Disdain for Human Rights?

Socialism is nothing but a collective. Everyone are ants living in a hive.

What just amazes me is that there are example after example of the evils of Socialist right before your eyes and yet you ignore it and believe the lies that sucker people into it.

EVERYTHING I said about the Nazis was 100% true. LOOK IT UP!!! In fact everything I am telling you is based on verifiable fact. I am not making any of this up. Look it up. But you have to look beyond your indoctrination sources. Question everything. Do not accept anyone's research. Go to the original texts when possible. See what the people in question said for themselves and not what other people say about them. There is a ton of false information out there so beware.

Socialism is not some happy shangrala. Look around. The USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodia. Che Guevara, the butcher from Bolivia. Did you know that Guevara hated blacks and thought they were inferior people? Well, so did Karl Marx for that matter. Marx frequently used the "N" to describe Africans.

Socialism is NOT Denmark. They are more Socialist than the US but they still have private property rights. They have government healthcare but they are also taxed to death. A car in Denmark cost 3 times as much as a car in the US and the additional cost is all taxes. I have a friend who ran from Denmark because he could not take the lack of freedom he had there. He has even written a book about it called "Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt: Collectivism Exposed" by Mikkel Clair Nissen. He told me he was writing another book but then I lost contact with him. He thinks Denmark is full Socialism but they still allow private ownership. You cannot be a Socialist country unless you take private ownership. BTW the World Economic Forum produced a video that talked about their Great Reset. They said in the video, "You will own nothing and be happy". Then they said "You will rent everything".

Sweden tried Socialism back in the 70's and it just about destroyed their economy. That pulled out real quick. They are still more Socialist than we are.

There has NEVER EVER been one Socialist or otherwise inspired by Marx, nation that has ever given any of their citizens freedom. They make slaves of everyone so that the leaders can live in luxury. That is how every Socialist nation has ever been. It is just a historical fact.

The astounding thing here is that you keep thinking the left wants full socialism. That point right there just shows me how little you know what you're talking about. You think that the left doesn't want capitalism. Truly astounding.

I don't want any Socialism. It is a corruption. Besides, full Socialism is going to be pushed on us by the UN and the World Economic Forum.

But this is why I say that Antifa are "useful idiots" (and I don't mean that derogatorily, it is just what Stalin called your predecessors). Those directing Antifa are Communists. They are the ones who resurrected the movement. Socialism is bad enough but Communism is the worst of all the statist social systems.

Why wouldn't I think the left doesn't want capitalism. They talk like it is the greatest evil to ever have happened. If you want capitalism then you are unique and in the minority.

If you want capitalism then what wouldn't want full on capitalism because that means maximum freedom of the individual. Free the market and you free the people, free the people and you free the market.

If you truly want to live so that you determine your own life then you must stand in complete opposition to statism. You will only find slavery in statism.

Let me put it this way. If slavery is not being able to keep the products of your labor then at what point is it no longer slavery? If the government takes 90% is that still slavery? What about 50%, what about 10%. Unless it is 0% then you are a slave. Right now the federal government takes roughly 33% of your wages. That means 33% of your work is slave labor. That is just income tax. There are a gazillion other taxes that we know about and a gazillion more that we pay in the price of products and/or services. For "the land of the free" we are not very free at all. Yet we are freer than most other nations. The more Socialism you push for the less free you will be.

It wasn't Stalin. I know who you're talking about it wasn't Stalin.
Capitalism has flaws, so does socialism. Most of us are moderates of these economic platforms.
You're conflating libertarianism and capitalism as free people; free market. So, if we agree on free market, do you believe Twitter has the right to ban Trump?

You might be right about who coined the term "useful idiot". I never read it from the original source. It has been quoted by sooo many people and most of them gave credit to Stalin. I also read somewhere that it wasn't Stalin but I do not remember who it was. Regardless, the point of the matter is has more to do with the meaning and less to do with who said it.

Capitalism does have flaws but its flaws are irrelevant compared to the flaws that Socialism has. Socialism IS a flaw. It is a cancer.

The free market is Capitalism. It is the ability to buy and sell a good and/or a service without the government coming along an stealing part of that transaction.

There are two different types of businesses when it comes to promoting the speech of an individual: a publisher and a public forum.

A publisher can be a newspaper, magazine, website or book. A publisher is under no obligation to print anything other than what they want. They can print your opinion in full or they can edit it. They can even change it in some cases.

I am a software developer by profession. I write applications that run in a web browser. That means the companies I worked for "published" a website. That website contained only what they wanted on that site. They were under no obligation to publish what someone else said.

Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Parler, MeWe, Gab, etc are public forums. YouTube even calls itself a public forum. The definition of what a public forum under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is a website that let's their users say or post whatever they want without any legal repercussions. If I have a video recording of Pink Floyd's The Wall concert from 1979 and I post that on YouTube, under section 230 YouTube cannot be sued by Pink Floyd. BTW I don't have a copy of that concert. I never saw Pink Floyd in concert until 1989.

A publisher, however is not free from prosecution. If my employer wanted me to post my Pink Floyd video on the company website, Everyone involved with Pink Floyd could sue for copyright infringement.

Under section 230 you cannot be both a publisher and a public forum. That is what Twitter, Facebook and YouTube are trying to be. They want to be both so they can censor conservatives right off their public forum when their business model is prevented by law.

If Big Tech wants to be a publisher then they must change their business model and then they would drive everyone to MeWe, Gab, Parler or Rumble.

And therein lies the legal loophole. Provided that you sign a contract saying "I agree." Then all the rights therein are void. if you violate that contract, it is free to be terminated.

Oops my mistake. Che was from Argentina not Bolivia. I think he lived in Bolivia for a while but I could be wrong. He and Castro were good buddies.

And finally this is what Democrat Socialists / Socialist Democrats (or as I like to call them just Democrats) want this:

Today’s democratic socialists believe in private enterprise but think it should be subject to rules that guarantee businesses act responsibly. Banks shouldn’t engage in reckless predatory lending. Energy corporations shouldn’t endanger and planet and public health by emitting too much pollution. Companies should be required to guarantee that consumer products (like cars and toys) are safe and that companies pay decent wages and provide safe workplaces.

Democratic socialism also means reducing the political influence of the super rich and big corporations, increasing taxes of the wealthy to help pay for expanded public services like child care, public transit, and higher education, reducing barriers to voting, and strengthening regulations of business to require them to be more socially responsible in terms of their employees, consumers and the environment. That means a higher minimum wage, paid sick days and paid vacations, and safer workplaces.

That is the myth Socialism has been sold to you. Even so what you are describing we already have and it has only made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Capitalism does not do that. Only when you try to infuse statism into Capitialism do you create what you abhor.

In other words if you look at a fudge brownie and say that is the same color as caca, what if we added some caca to the mix you would get something that no one would ever want. That is what happens when you infuse some of Marx's ideas into a free market system.

The scientific reason is that the economy is a force of nature unto itself. Statists seek to control it but every time they do they weaken it or destroy it. It must be left alone.

What is the economy? It is the velocity by which people are free to buy and sell goods and/or services. When the government taxes or regulates that velocity it places a burden on it and it slows down. This disrupts the natural flow.

A totally free market will take care of itself. It does not need regulation, nor does it need businesses to be propped up by the government. Bush said two things that were dead wrong about the economy and he said both of those things after the Democrats gained control of the house and senate in the last two years of his presidency. That is when he pretty much just threw in the towel and gave up.

He said, "Sometimes you have to abandon the free market to save the free market" and he also claimed that certain businesses where "too big to fail".

The free market left alone will always take care of itself, you never have to abandon it. But most importantly ALL businesses MUST be allowed to fail. That is how the free market corrects itself.

Consumers drive the free market, not labor as Marx believed. The Labor theory was disproved before Marx came around but he included that in his ideology.

Consumers decide which businesses they will purchase from. If a business, for whatever reason, does not satisfy the consumer in any way then eventually that business will fail. It must fail to make way for better business to grow in its place. In this way businesses are self regulated. They do not need laws passed to make them operate in a manner that the government deems appropriate.

This is still not a perfect system but it is by far the best system ever known to mankind. It produces more wealth across all "classes" of the the nation. I put class in quotes because the free market is a classes system. Continued...

Well... This has been real and it has been fun but it hasn't been real fun. I have said more than enough on the subject. You still want to pursue the road to serfdom so I see no point in going any further. I just hope you enjoy the shackles you are putting on yourself. When your overlords have taken over and they come for a visit, RUN AWAY!!! Historically speaking your kind are the first to go when the regime you fought so hard for finally gets control.

To that I'll just say this. Remember Thessalonians 5:22. Remember that when you see guys hoisting Nazi flags and Confederate flags at your next Pro-Trump Rally.

There will never be a "next Pro-Trump" rally unless he runs for president in 2024 and you guys stop cheating.

Please tell me, after all I said to you, why I would ever hoist a Nazi flag? However, I do have a Confederate Battle flag. I was born in Georgia. My ancestors fought in the Civil War. I am proud of my heritage. Plus I never would have bought the flag if I didn't think you guys were about to outlaw them a few years ago.

The Confederate Battle Flag has more than just your meaning. You have read my posts. Have I said anything that would make you think I support slavery? NO!!! I abhor it. That is exactly why I have been trying to warn you about Socialism. Instead of a plantation where one person owns slaves, it is a government system that turns citizens into slaves. They are both equally as evil.

I also do not hate black people, I want the same freedoms for them that everyone else has. So then why would I own a Confederate Battle flag? It is all about heritage. I am proud of where I was born and the people that live there, even if I no longer live in the South.

But more importantly when government tries to take my choice away I rebel. It is my right to own whatever flag I want and to live my life however I want. The government has no control over my life as long as I am not causing harm to another person. If you take away a symbol that represents my people (both black and white) then I get bent out of shape. BTW you can search the internet and find photos of blacks proudly holding a Confederate Battle flag. Things are not always what the left has indoctrinated you to believe.

That's fine that you're enjoying your heritage.

Let's go beyond your perspective and look at those who see the flag and have the heritage of slavery. For a moment.

You're glorifying and endorsing a flag that fought for the very cause of slavery. That alone is painful for them to see that flag raised. Knowing what it stood for. Imagine Japanese walking around with Pearl Harbor shirts. Or Arabs with Twin Tower models in their office.

Japanese say "I'm honoring our pilots who fought in that heroic battle."
Arabs say "I'm honoring my religious brethren, who I disagree with, for following Allah as closely as they did."
Or German-Americans Hoisting the Nazi Flag saying "I honor my grand-father who fought bravely in the war. He was a hero and I honor what he did."

Do you see? That's what you're doing. It's wrong. It's not about you. It's about your lack of perspective to people affected by the actions of the group you support.

What's worse, there are those who *are* racist/white supremacist and hoist those flags proudly announcing their racism.

Thessalonians 5:22 "Shun all appearances of evil." Keep your memorabilia. Have a shrine in your house with your ancestors, talk about what they did. But publicly endorsing Rebels whose cause for casus belli was the right to slavery? Not cool man.

The flag is NOT a representation of slavery. It never was. I was a battle flag that was used in Virginia and Tennessee only and the reason why that flag is because the flag of the Confederacy when collapsed looked very similar to the US flag furled. There was a lot of friendly fire happening.

The Confederate Battle flag was designed after the Scottish St. Andrews flag. It saved lives because it was easily distinguished from the US flag.

It was never the flag of the Confederate States of America.

It came to just represent the Southern states. It expanded out to represent the rebels in the country who did things outside the norm. Then the stupid KKK picked up on the flag and ruined it. That caused the left to ONLY look at the flag with one definition. And if anyone tries to tell them otherwise the left just keeps calling them racists. They just do not listen to us.

I do not fly the flag or display it publicly mainly because I don't want to offend anyone who cannot accept any other definition of the flag. Like I said before, I would have never gotten the flag if I didn't think that choice would have been taken away from me. I never at any time thought about buying a Confederate Battle flag before.

So for me owning that flag is, in addition to my heritage, is defiance to tyranny. Now that the Dems are in control of everything and many of them are pushing for sending Trump supporters to re-education camps, I pretty much think that tyranny is what we are heading into much more than Trump and Obama writing a bunch of executive orders. It does not matter that Trump wrote more executive orders than Obama, what matters is Obama opened that door. Every president from now on is going to circumvent Congress, the people and the Constitution and create laws.

The only hope to put an end to that is if we stopped with the election fraud and elected a true Constitutionalist as president. Not another Donald Trump but someone more like Ted Cruz. Ron Paul would have been excellent.

Neither the Republican or Democrat Parties will ever allow any of that. Election fraud has now become acceptable so all we will ever have as presidents from now on are Democrats and Democrats are Socialists. Liberty died this election.

"The flag is NOT a representation of slavery. It never was. I was a ..."
>> So read the room.

"The only hope to put an end..."
>> That's what white supremacists do. They co-opt and subvert. That's the nature of tyrants. Conquerors. Just like they're doing with MAGA. By associating themselves with MAGA movement, they're co-opting it for their agenda. That's why you have to keep distancing yourselves. If you get tired of doing it, snuff them out.

When the American Civil War broke out, the "Stars and Bars" confused the battlefield at the First Battle of Bull Run because of its similarity to the U.S. flag, especially when it was hanging limp, down on the flagstaff. The "Stars and Bars" was also criticized on ideological grounds for its resemblance to the U.S. flag. Many Confederates disliked the Stars and Bars, seeing it as symbolic of a centralized federal power the Confederate states claimed to be seceding from. As early as April 1861, a month after the flag's adoption, some were already criticizing the flag, calling it a "servile imitation" and a "detested parody" of the U.S. flag. In January 1862, George William Bagby, writing for the Southern Literary Messenger, wrote that many Confederates disliked the flag. "Everybody wants a new Confederate flag," Bagby wrote. "The present one is universally hated. It resembles the Yankee flag, and that is enough to make it unutterably detestable." The editor of the Charleston Mercury expressed a similar view: "It seems to be generally agreed that the 'Stars and Bars' will never do for us. They resemble too closely the dishonored 'Flag of Yankee Doodle' … we imagine that the 'Battle Flag' will become the Southern Flag by popular acclaim." William T. Thompson, the editor of the Savannah-based Daily Morning News also objected to the flag, due to its aesthetic similarity to the U.S. flag, which for some Confederates had negative associations with emancipation and abolitionism. Thompson stated in April 1863 that he disliked the adopted flag "on account of its resemblance to that of the abolition despotism against which we are fighting."

Over the course of the flag's use by the Confederacy, additional stars were added to the flag's canton, eventually bringing the total number of stars on the flag to thirteen. This reflected the Confederacy's claims of having admitted Kentucky and Missouri into the Confederacy. Although they were represented in the Confederate Congress

Do you need the casus belli?

The reason why the free market is classes because it is constantly changing. The poor become rich and the rich become poor and everything else in between.

That is the reason why many people want to control it is because when a person becomes rich they don't want to ever be poor again. They think if they can get the government involved it will protect their wealth. If they have the right connections in government then they can get laws passed that protect them. It may cost them a lot but they get to keep most of their wealth.

That is what Marx called Capitalism but he was wrong. That is corruption. When it is wide spread it becomes Corporatism or what we used to call Mercantilism. Mercantilism is what we deplored in the English system and one of the reasons why we fought for independence. Corporatism has never started to give way to Corporate Socialism which will soon became Fascism.

There again the problem lies with the government. The rich can want to keep all their wealth all they want but without the government they are just as likely to lose their riches as the poor man is to earn their riches.

In a free market system the most secure way to keep your riches is to always satisfy the customer and that is hard to do when others are competing to do the same thing That is what keeps business practices legal and honest. If you cheat your customer you are dead.

This is true Progress. This causes mankind to excel in technology faster than ever before. This gives more wealth to more people than anything else.

Marx's ideas only generates the worst kinds of poverty and a rich ruling class. Everywhere it has ever been tried that is exactly what you see. There are NO exceptions.

What you have been told is a lie to sucker you into accepting more caca being added to the fudge brownie until the entire brownie is just a pile of crap. Socialism is slavery. The closer you get to Socialism the less freedom you have. That is just the facts of how things are. That is why we were once much freer and still one of the freest nation in the world. We used to be the freest until the statists got power.

1/ The anti-fascist protest movement known as antifa gained new prominence in the United States after the white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, VA, in August 2017. In Charlottesville and at many subsequent events held by white supremacists or right-wing extremists, antifa activists have aggressively confronted what they believe to be authoritarian movements and groups. While most counter-protestors tend to be peaceful, there have been several instances where encounters between antifa and the far-right have turned violent.

These violent counter-protesters are often part of “antifa” (short for “antifascist”), a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements. Their ideology is rooted in the assumption that the Nazi party would never have been able to come to power in Germany if people had more aggressively fought them in the streets in the 1920s and 30s. Most antifa come from the anarchist movement or from the far left, though since the 2016 presidential election, some people with more mainstream political backgrounds have also joined their ranks.

These antifa sometimes use a logo with a double flag, usually in black and red. The antifa movement began in the 1960s in Europe, and had reached the US by the end of the 1970s. Most people who show up to counter or oppose white supremacist public events are peaceful demonstrators, but when antifa show up, as they frequently do, they can increase the chances that an event may turn violent.

Today, antifa activists focus on harassing right wing extremists both online and in real life. Antifa is not a unified group; it is loose collection of local/regional groups and individuals. Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.

I follow ANTIFA ideals, except I disagree with Rioting. In light of COVID I have not attended any local protests this past year. My beliefs are centered around opposing this [meme]. And that's it. That's all you gotta be to be ANTIFA, it's an ideology, a path of beliefs. No membership, no violence needed. The ANTIFA you reference, is the violent extremists. The myth is that ALL Antifa are (more)

I never said anything about Antifa being able to stop the Nazis. I just said Antifa was formed in the early 20th century. They are older than you think. They were Communists, opposed to Nazis. They didn't oppose them on their system of government, they opposed them because they wanted the USSR to rule the world and not Nazi Germany.

Antifa then and Antifa now both still want global domination under a totalitarian tyrannical state. They are exact who Stalin called "useful idiots" because they don't know they are fighting for their own enslavement. They are identical to Hitlers brown shirts whom Hitler killed after he was done with them.

As I said in my last post I stand for liberty. The fight is not about anti-racism vs white supremacists. It is not between conservatives and liberals. It is not Republicans vs Democrats. The real fight you are fighting FOR is enslavement.

Racism is a human condition that exists in all races. It stems from tribalism. It is fear of people you do not know. It will always exist. You cannot beat it out of people with Communism. The only way it will ever be contained is with Christianity. For you to believe that you will need to undo the indoctrination you have had against Christianity. Christianity is the enemy to statists. The state demands to be god and that you only worship the state. Christianity teaches how to return to live with God but it is by your own choice and not through coercion. The states uses force to make you worship the state.

Antifa are statists. They and all other Marx inspired collectivists are trying to make the claim that they can force people to not be racists. This is a ruse so that you willingly give over all of your rights and freedoms to stop racism. And to make sure you follow the statists they tell you that if you oppose them then you are a racist. Now they are saying that just being white makes you a racist. That is not just absurd that is evil and most of all it is racist. It also says that white people do not have the choice to live a non-racist life. Racism, like tribalism it is based on IS a choice. You do not have to fear people from another land, or race.

I do not subscribe to the belief that if I oppose Antifa then I am a racist. I do not hate people based on skin color. Skin color is just an external feature no different than hair color or eye color.

I really don't hate people, I hate ideologies. I hate anti-freedom ideologies.

Of course they're older than you think I think they are. I said they became prominent in the late 2010s.
As someone who subscribes to their own ideology, I don't want a totalitarian tyrant. I saw Trump as doing just that. When he started signing executive order after executive order, invalidating every bill, piece of legislature, and executive order he could get his hands on that had ever been signed by Obama. He started pitting us against eachother, started ostracizing immigrants, and then us. And then he started calling out anyone who opposed him, or suggested he did wrong. Decorated generals and officers of the military, career government workers, people loyal to the country and the constitution. That sent about every red flag of Tyrant I had. I am afraid that in the end the useful idiots were the ones that attacked the seat of our government. Finally, are you sure that it was Stalin that called them "Useful Idiots" and not someone else? Are you -sure- that's who you're referring to?
I also fight for liberty and freedom from oppression. I see people telling women what to do with their bodies when it has nothing to do with them. I see people trying to revoke the rights of homo sexuals. I see people trying to refuse those who are transgender, dictate to them where they feel comfortable going. I see money being pulled from our arts, our liberal studies such as psychology, history, education, art, writing. Yes, science, engineering and business are important. But what good is that if life is dead? If we forget the past, if we cannot speak a foreign language? If we cannot learn to express ourselves? Or understand the difference between lie and truth? Or have an opinion on it.
Everything you're accusing ANTIFA of is not an accurate characterization of it at all. You presume that I want these things.
I don't care about Christianity, but I do care for your ability to do so. I care for the Muslim immigrant and their ability (and right) to care for Islam. Or the Jew who wants to practice Good Friday in two months.
What I don't care for, is Christians trying to push their beliefs through legislation. How politicians use religion to gather votes. Whoever adopts the most policies that resembles Christian ideals, gets the vote. That way, the politician will vote for what christians want. Yet, Christianity doesn't pay any taxes. Not cool with that. Or any other Religion doing that, for that matter.
I'm as American as you are, you've just been deceived about who I am

What you are not seeing is that the right was calling Obama a dictator because he was the one who first started writing executive orders to create law. The Constitution only reserves the ability to create law in Congress because they are supposed to represent you and me. The president does not have that power. Actually the Constitution gives the president very little power at all

The only executive order that I can remember Trump signing that created law was his ban on bump stocks. I'm sure he wrote a few others but that does not make him any more a tyrant than Obama. I do not know of anything Trump did to limit freedom other than taking away bump stocks.

I opposed ANY president who creates law by executive order and executive action. I didn't like it when Trump did it and I didn't like it when Obama did it.

Obama opened a door that will never be shut. We are now a partial dictatorship. The Dems will abuse that much more than the Republicans will but that doesn't mean that Republicans won't use that power.

Antifa has always supported Communism and it still does. If you support Antifa and think you are supporting freedom you are the very definition of a "useful idiot". Freedom cannot be found in Communism.

You clearly are believing the indoctrination. No one is taking rights away from homosexuals, they never were. Sure there were laws that had been around since the beginning of the nation that opposed homosexuality. There were also laws against heterosexuality outside of marriage. Those laws hadn't been enforced in well over a century.

Gay marriage was not a right that was taken away. You cannot take away something you never had. However, the freedom approach would not be to force those opposed to gay marriage to accept it. Rather get the state out of the marriage business altogether. Marriage is a religious rite anyway, government has no business in it. Give marriage back to the churches and let the churches decide. There are plenty of churches who will gladly perform a gay marriage. But Socialists must always force people. Force is all they know.

A woman has the right to do whatever she wants to her body, however, if there is another living human inside her body, she does not have the right to murder it. If women were fighting for the right to cut their spleens out people would just think they are stupid and that would be the end of it. But abortion is all about killing another human being.

June 12, 2020 The Trump administration eliminated health care protections for transgender patients. The rule was announced during Pride Month, on the anniversary of the 2016 massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

February 21, 2018 In a tweet, Trump called two Supreme Court rulings — one protecting young immigrants from deportation, the other defending gay and transgender workers — “shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives.” In another tweet, he added, “Do you get the impression that the Supreme Court doesn’t like me?”

March, 29 2017 The Trump administration removed categories relating to sexual orientation and gender identity from the U.S. Census, preventing the government from collecting important data on LGBT populations. The Federal Policy Director at the William Institute said, “Without federal data on LGBT populations, the ability of federal, state, and local governments to make evidence-based public policy that also reflects the experiences and needs of LGBT Americans is significantly undermined.”

June 30, 2017 For the position of senior adviser in the Office of Gender Equality and Women’s Empowerment, Donald Trump appointed an activist who led a campaign to restrict transgender access to bathrooms. Under the Obama Administration, the Office of Gender Equality supported LGBT empowerment both domestically and abroad. Bethany Kozma, the activist and new senior adviser, has said in the past, “With Trump, we now have a president who is focused on remedying the lawlessness of the previous administration.”

Yeah, I'm not convinced he's a LGBTQ rights activist...

What healthcare protections do transgender people need that is any different than anyone else? What you means is you want me to pay for someone else to have their dick cut off. Why should I pay for that? If they want their dick cut off so badly then they should pay for it themselves. Their dick removal is NOT my responsibility.

It is not a matter of hatred towards transgendered people, it is a matter of that word the left loves to throw around for all of wrong reasons, "fairness". It is not fair to steal from my paycheck for someone else's problems. Period. Taxation is theft. It is not our patriotic duty. We are not a nations who believes in "From each according to his ability to each according to their need". If you want to live in a nation that believes that then move to China. Seriously! Move. We do not need people like that screwing up our freedom.

As much as you want to believe in fairy tales there are only two genders. To fabricate multiple genders is anti-science. So if Trump kept the census the way it always has been because, science, then I do not have a problem with that. I know the Constitution requires it but I have never seen the purpose of it other than for genealogists. Why does the government need to catalog each and everyone of us?

I am not anti-gay. What I am is anti always using the government to solve problems. People in government are narcissists. They crave power. When you run to the government to solve problems you get more laws. The more laws the less freedom and the problem never gets solved. As Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to your problem, government is the problem". So when I hear about how Trump eliminated some ruling or law that was to "protect" a specific group of people, then I say that is a good start. Any special privilege you give to one group takes from another group.

Laws must be written to protect all people evenly and not one group at the expense of another.

It should not matter if Trump is an LGBTQ activist or not. What Trump should be is an activist is for freedom. I think he got more freedom oriented the longer he was president but he wasn't at first and he wasn't the best at it. The LGTBQ group should have exactly the same freedom as I do and we all should have the most freedom as possible without infringing on other people's rights. We don't have that now and we will lose it completely if we ever become Socialist.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-1-053

Enjoy!

A woman has the right to do whatever she wants to her body. That's it. There is no however. That's your belief, not hers. Period. You cannot decide what goes on in her body. There is no budging on this ever.

It is not a "belief". It is a scientific fact that another human is temporarily living inside her body during pregnancy. A baby is not an appendix or kidney or lung. It is a human being.

What she does with that baby after it is born is up to her. She can keep it or she can put it up for adoption.

Abortion law is 1) based on 50 year old science and 2) was law created by the Supreme Court. Just as it is wrong for the president to create law, it is just as wrong for the Court to do it also. Abortion is not even something the Federal Government is Constitutionally able to create laws on. It is a states rights issue. It always has been but liberals don't care about the Constitution and find it a major inconvenience with their plans to destroy freedom.

Riddle me this Batman. If a pregnant woman gets shot or stabbed and the baby inside her is killed then why does the criminal get charged with murder? And if he or she kills the mother as well then it is double homicide. How can the courts rule that a human inside a woman is just a body part of a woman in one case but a separate life in another?

I'll say it again we would not even be discussing this if woman all across the country woke up one morning and said they no longer wanted their spleen. They argued "my body, my right" and they all ran off to the special spleen removal clinics and had it cut out.

The Supreme Court would not even have a case presented to them about the right to remove one's spleen. It most likely would not ever been a court case anywhere to start it up the courts system.

You might find some people opposed to it, but nothing like those who believe murder is both morally and legally wrong. Most people would just think any woman who elected to have their spleen removed would just be crazy or stupid. Removing the spleen does not kill anyone. People can live without a spleen. I would never recommend to anyone to have their spleen removed, electively, because it would require you to eat differently and take drugs for it the rest of your life. If they had an illness that required its removal then I would support that.

The placenta is a defense mechanism that protects the baby while it is growing. Without the placenta the mother's body would fight the baby just like it would any other foreign object. Therefore the baby is NOT part of the woman's body.

In Obama's eight years, he wrote 276. In Trumps four years, he wrote 210. That's almost double what Obama did. Every president writes EOs. That's part of the job. THe fact is, Trump was in overdrive.
Within hours of his inauguration, Donald Trump took aim at the Affordable Care Act in his first executive order as president.

Following up on his campaign promise to crack down on immigration, Donald Trump signed an executive order to both bolster the United States deportation force and direct construction of a wall along the Mexican border.

Donald Trump signed what would become known as the ”travel ban,” an executive order which imposed a 90-day ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States, while also indefinitely halting incoming refugees from Syria.

Donald Trump vowed to dismantle the Johnson Amendment, a law which restricted churches and other religious institutions from taking a public political stance while retaining tax-exempt status. When following through on his promised repeal proved legislatively difficult, Trump signed an executive order encouraging leniency on enforcement of the amendment.

Donald Trump signed an executive order halting an Obama-era directive that allowed transgender students to use the school bathroom corresponding to their gender identity.

Donald Trump signed an executive order directing the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security to withhold “federal funds, except as mandated by law” from so-called “sanctuary cities.”

It goes on...

I already said that when a president create law that affects you, me or anyone else outside of the executive branch they are being a dictator. EO's have their place.

What you missed is in addition Obama used Executive Actions to create law. Executive actions are not written like Executive Orders are. They are essentially edicts from the president.

I actually forgot about the travel ban but then I was pretty anti-Trump for most of his presidency and I just ignored him. I was anti-Trump for exact opposite reasons you were. I never thought he was a conservative. He was a New York Liberal the majority of his life.

This election I looked at both the Libertarian and Constitution Party candidates and I wasn't thrilled with them either, so I held my nose and voted for Trump. As much as I didn't care for Trump there are no Democrats who would be any better. About the only Democrat I could have tolerated was Tulsi Gabbards. She was an independent thinker and not just another clone like all of the rest who were running this last election.

Executive actions/orders. Trump had double the amount that Obama had.

Tulsi echoed a lot of Pub talking points. Didn't like her; didn't trust her.

Abortion was started by eugenicists. Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood to breed out inferiors. Who were the inferiors? She named one of her projects, "The Negro Project". She believed like most eugenicists that some humans lives are of less value to society than others. Not all eugenicists are Socialists but all Socialists are eugenicists. Hitler was the most notorious. Hitler learned from Sanger. Sanger was an American Progressive. Eugenicists also believe you do not own your life.

Marx was also a proponent of population control. He wanted to eliminate 80% of the earth's population. Bill Gates wants to reduce the world's population and he has positioned himself with the World Economic Forum to give him power to actually be scary about it. The Gates Foundation, the WEF and Johns Hopkins University held a meeting about what to do about a global pandemic in Oct 2019. It was called Event 201. It was just a few short months later and we find ourselves in a global pandemic. Then about mid summer of 2020 the WEF announced the Great Reset. The idea is that they will collapse the entire world's economy to destroy Capitalism and replace it with a global Socialist government. It really makes me ask the question about all of the events that have been happening. The entire planet mostly went on lock down killing off local economies. It took a huge chunk out of our economy and nearly 100% of it was in Democrats controlled cities and states.

John Kerry has already committed the US to the Great Reset.

Despite everything you have been told Capitalism is NOT the problem, it is the solution. The myth that it was a problem was invented by Marx who also invented the word Capitalism.

The ONLY people shoving their beliefs down our throats today are Socialists. It is everywhere. Every TV show, every movie. In all of the major news networks (including Fox News). It is in our colleges. It is everywhere. It demands people bend to its will. It is in the Cancel culture. It is the Social Justice Warriors. BTW the early 20th century American Nazi party named their newspaper "Social Justice" and yes, it means the exact same thing as it does today because they are the exact same people whom you have joined with in Antifa.

If we were going to be a Christian theocracy our founding fathers would have made us one. But that is not who Christians are. The Handmaid's Tale is pure fiction designed to cause hatred of Christians.

If you go on to look up Margaret Sanger instead of focusing on the indoctrination that you talk so much about you would find out that
1) Many people practiced or studied eugenics back then. It was popular and widely accepted. I don't know if she reformed her ways, I read about her once and saw it as a red-herring to Planned Parenthood.
2) Planned Parenthood has since denounced Sanger's practices and has strongly emphasized that they do not endorse her practices.

You see, you use the word "Socialist" as a big boogieman word. It's so inconceivably stupid I can't even begin to tell you how frustrating it is to say that word thinking that everything negative applies to it and nothing positive. K-12 education is the most socialist program we have. We also have workweek laws, we have laws regarding overtime and how many hours you can work at a time. We have socialist laws like social security, our military, medicare, medicaid, Federal reserve Bank, Police, Farm subsidies UNDOCUMENTED immigrants receive medicaid, public hospitals, public jails, public parking palces, social welfare, public universities, veterans affairs, USPS, Public Fire Department, govt pensions.

I don't even know what the Handmaid's tale is.
Donald Trump is big on cancel culture. He is a fan. A big fan.

Definitions change, SJWs are not the same people that were in the 1920s. Sorry. Just like ANTIFA is something different than it was in the early 1900s. If you're doing association by name only, you need to open your eyes instead of focusing on the word.

Every type of society has extremism. What if I told you that even SJWs don't want the extremism associated with the Nazis?

I have absolutely no clue why Neo-Nazis think they are conservatives. If you ever talked to one about their beliefs they would sound just like a Democrat. They used to be Democrats when the Neo Nazis first started up in America. The same with the KKK.

It is a mystery. The only thing I can think of is perhaps the Democrats have made some deal with them to join the Republican party to make them look bad. I am not saying this happened but I would not be surprised if it did happen. In the early 20th Century the Progressives were all openly Communists, Socialists, Nazi and Fascists and they all considered themselves Progressives and they all were Democrats. WWII changed all of that. The Socialists and Communists rejected the Nazi and Fascists because we were at war with Germany and Italy. They said those people are right wing extremists mainly because Stalin accused Mussolini of being right wing because he let business owners continue to run the businesses that the government had taken over. Stalin meant that as an insult to Mussolini.

I use the word Socialist as a catch phrase for all collectivist ideologies. Statists is probably the best word.

A Handmaids Tale is a book that was made into a movie in the 90's and more recently a series on HBO. It is the story of a fictional place that is ruled by a theocracy. Women are treated as property.

I said the Nazi's newspaper was called "Social Justice" not "SJW" or "Social Justice Warrior". The definition of "Social Justice" has never changed from its original meaning, it has just been expanded. It is based on Marx's divide and conquer strategy. He needed to create a division within a nation to collapse it and push his ideology. It stared with the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. The workers and the rich business owners. The rich are the oppressors and the workers are the oppressed. Social justice, as opposed to legal justice, was the taking by force from the oppressors and giving to the oppressed. That has been expanded from just the rich and workers to blacks vs whites, then to non-whites vs whites, then to women vs men, then to LGBTQ vs straights (or non-breeders vs breeders). It is all about taking from one to give to another who has been brainwashed into thinking they were oppressed.