I care about all lives

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because the majority of pro lifers either want to control women,not let the women decide, have been told it's murder by those people, or are against it because their interpretation of the bible tells them abortion is wrong.

If it’s not murder, than what is it? A baby kangaroo is a kangaroo. Why is a baby human not a human?

You do know the solution to “control” isn’t always murder, right? If you get mad with your spouse, is it “controlling you” for me to tell you it’s not right for you to murder them? And there’s another option; divorce (which is also against Christianity but is far better than murder). Well, adoption is an option for people who don’t want a baby, and it’s not control to support that.

What do you mean “their interpretation”? The Bible clearly states that we should not murder. War is an exception that we see in the Bible, but are we really going to make another exception for pregnancies? Child slaughter is only viewed in the Bible as repulsive behavior. Like when Herod did it. The only difference is that we have more technology now and are able to get rid of babies before they come out of the womb.

If racial injustice is wrong, why isn’t age-related injustice wrong? Does it really matter how old you are? Do you think you shouldn’t exist just because your mom doesn’t want you or can’t take care of you? She could give you up for adoption if she doesn’t want you, but getting rid of you? That’s another level.

Also, I believe much fewer women would actually have abortions if they saw what it was.

A woman’s choice is a very sugarcoated way of viewing it. We victimize the woman and don’t care about the baby.

But it’s clearly not as valuable if a mom can just legally decide to dispose of it. Do you see other animals killing off their babies in the womb? It’s not a part of nature. Only humans who think and have a sin nature do it.

Like what, war? If God’s people don’t fight, they get murdered. Unless He does all the killing. And God does occasionally do things we aren’t to do. For example, we should not go around telling people we are the Christ and we should be followed. We should not be telling people “You are of your father the devil...” unless they’re full-blown Satanists or really wicked people or something.

That was a part of the 10 plagues. Do you know why that happened? They were enslaving the Jews (far worse than blacks were enslaved), who had come in their land peacefully, just because their leader was afraid of their population growth. The gruesome things they had Jews doing had the people dying of arthritis and exhaustion at an average age of 32 to 34. The Jews cried out to God, and God told the pharaoh to let His people go, and the pharaoh didn’t listen. And God gave the Egyptians a chance to fear Him. He always told them what the plague was before it came, and how to prepare for it. Do you know when the hail came, there was one servant of Pharaoh who feared God, and made his servants and livestock flee in the houses, and he was the only one whose stuff survived, just like the Jews? And when the firstborns were killed, one put the lamb on his door and his firstborn did not die, just like the Jews. It was discipline, and it was done with warning. The reason they all died was the Pharaoh didn’t take God’s warning seriously. If he’d required his people to do what the Jews did, nobody would have died.
Abortion is nothing like that. It’s human self-judgement based on the moment, which we are notoriously horrible at. And it’s not a punishment with warning.

What do you think happens after the suction? Do you think a full baby can fit in that tiny tube? That tube rips the baby apart piece by piece and the place the tube leads to is instantaneously full of blood. That’s not a simple procedure involving suction.

a barely developed fetus isn't a human yet. aborting a fetus is different from murdering a baby. Since you see the beginning of a fetus as a baby, does that mean ejaculation is murder? Does that mean sex without reproducing is bad? Giving birth is extremely painful (at least I'm told), and can even result in death. Do women need to go through that just because they made a mistake or because of the actions of someone else? If the mother wants to keep the child, good for her. But she should decide, not anyone else.

What is different between a baby kangaroo being a kangaroo and a baby human being human? A human, the most valuable species on the planet, has babies that don’t matter as much but animal babies do?

Sex without reproduction is completely natural. It’s not killing anyone because no one was created. Also, abortion is also painful and can result in death. And not all abortions are because of a mistake or other’s actions. I have family members that have had many abortions in marriage.

A developing fetus is different from a walking, talking, human being. it doesn't think yet, it doesn't experience emotions.

Neither does a newborn. He or she can’t even logically summarize any thought and they can’t communicate it. Should we throw them out if we dont want them?

newborns can think and experience emotions, even if they can't communicate it or logically summarize the thought. Until late in the pregnancy, electrical activity doesn't even occur in the fetus.

How do you know a fetus can’t think if you can’t even see them? Do you know what turned Abby Johnson (someone who was going to be the youngest person to run an abortion clinic ever) against abortion? She saw the ultrasound, and the baby tried to pull away from the vacuum they were using to suck him out. The baby instinctively knew something harmful was coming and tried to defend himself. That doesn’t sound like someone who can’t think. She had been told they couldn’t think, and believed it until then.

also, if abortion became illegal, then many people that need abortions would end up doing it illegally and without the care of a professional doctor, which would result in more deaths.

Yes, I know people did them illegally before. And it should be fine if it would save the mom but if both could be salvaged, that is the best option. But doing it when you have the choice should not be legal.

what counts as "having the choice" and what doesn't?

If you are not in danger and are just doing it because you don’t want the baby.

having a baby is different from owning a bike or having a pet

you're literally bringing someone into this world, and some people might not be able to do that

Technically, many young people aren’t able to live on their own, but they still have to learn how to do it. And adoption is still an option if you actually can’t take care of the baby.

*Cough* Abortion *cough*

Yeah it’s sad.

You do have a point, but there really isn’t that much age related injustice. When people say baby lives matter, they’re saying abortion shouldn’t be allowed, but in my opinion, it’s up to the mom to decide that.

exactly

So is it up to a white person to be racist? Is it up to the KKK to decide whether or not a black person they meet lives?

Black people aren’t being murdered by the millions in this day, but babies are.

Do you know how many babies are killed every year by abortions?

It's the number 1 killer of black people...

So?

It's still the top killer.

So would it be right if the top black killer was suicide? if that were the case, wouldn’t we be trying to help them out? It’s still a voluntary cause of murder.

Yes. And Margaret Sanger (the founder of PP) said horrible things about black people.

Mm...

Yeah. And black people often don’t know the stuff she stood for.

Interesting.

Yeah it’s quite sad. The internet doesn’t contain everything she said, but there are some things you can find that she said. And some of her horrific sayings can be found on leftist-biased articles.

Over 860,000 died from abortions in 2017, and the number has been going down. In the 80s it was well over 1 million every year.

These are completely different things. Life isn’t so black and white, abortion should be allowed, imagine raising a baby in college because you were raped. It’s just not that simple.

No, it’s not. I always joke that the biggest problem with politics is that people see everything in terms of black and white.

And I didn’t say you had to raise the baby. Adoption is completely legit and conservatives and Christians don’t argue against it. I do not support rape by any means.

Well, you have a point. Adoption is a great thing if you don’t want to abort.

i am a full democrat, but i dont necessarily agree with the choice of abortion. i think you should have a choice, but i dont like when someone does it. it shouldnt be illegal for someone to not want a baby. i think you should put someone up for adoption instead of aborting, but you should have the choice. i dont think anyone is happy to abort someone.

Yes, I think adoption is better. If you don’t want the baby or can’t handle the baby, I don’t believe you should get rid of his/her existence.

i agree, we shouldnt make it illegal tho

Well, I think we at least should not have people who don’t support it being forced to financially support it. And we should show them videos of what abortion really is before they have one. Show them Unplanned or something. I personally believe it should be illegal, but if it weren’t, at least this should happen.

I would say that, in terms of abortion, it depends. If the adults in the town are generally willing to adopt or the orphanage living quality is fairly high, then you might not want to abort the baby. But say, you can't find a good orphanage and no-one is willing to adopt, then it would probably be better to abort it. It is not only a choice of whether it is rape/teenage pregnancy, but also what the life of the baby would be like (for example the child of a one-night stand). And finally, although abortion should always be only a last resort, cats your minds to when abortions were impossible to get. There were pregnant mothers jumping of the top of the stairs, unclean back-alley abortions without anesthesia or clean proper surgical equipment.

So, although you really shouldn't have ended up in the position where you want or need an abortion, a system that legalizes properly done, well conducted abortions will end up with fewer deaths.

Wow. The replies to this comment really goes to show how non diverse the politics stream is. If it was politics people would be saying the exact opposite

Politics is right leaning because all the leftists left and started the politicsTOO stream.

I’ve seen that stream, it seems the rights have token over that one too

No, they haven’t. The politicsTOO stream is run by some of the most radical leftists I’ve seen, and have you seen the stream description?

Oh, well it’s been a while

this is why we need surrogatons. i've only just recently heard of them, and i'm not sure whether or not we do them on large scale or not, but they would solve SO many problems! the baby would be allowed to live, the mother would get out of an unwanted pregnancy, AND an infurtile couple would have the chance to raise a child. win-win-win.

finally, a liberal with at least a small sliver of a human soul :)

I think you'll find that actually a lot of people you don't agree with have souls

Oh lol, I misread your comment.

just because i am a liberal doesnt mean i have to believe everything that we stand for, thats honestly the only thing i agree with

i was complementing you

i know

jesus christ apparently everyone you disagree with is soulless now

no, just the ones who are ok with baby-murder