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But you also don't care if she harms herself while being forced to carry to term. And correct me if I'm wrong, you probably also don't care if that child will be born into poverty, addicted to drugs, or the broken foster care system. Interesting.

[image deleted]How often is a woman "harmed" meaning her physical well being is endangered by carrying the child to term, therefore an abortion would keep her from being "harmed"? Less than 1% of abortions, but keep using that argument.

I do actually care about women's health and all the "heartbeat bills" that have passed express that care because there is an exemption for the immediate physical health of the mother.

How often is a child born addicted to drugs, therefore an abortion would prevent the child from being born addicted? Less than 1% of abortions, but keep using that argument.

Should I believe or better yet, do you believe that all the children born into poverty and currently in foster care would be better off dead or having been killed before they were born?

I'm assuming you're a male, are you? If not please correct me.

But as for it being "harmful"... my own mother had to be airlifted to hospital because of an ectopic pregnancy that she almost didn't survive. My earliest memory is her puking at the top of our staircase after passing out.
Most of my friends have suffered miscarriages, which can easily result in bleeding out if not tended to quickly enough. Reported miscarriages happen in 10-20 percent of pregnancies--reported. That's almost 1/4, reported. That means there are plenty more that happen behind closed doors. So don't you, Mr. P**is, tell me that nobody is "harmed".
The fact is, that pregnancy is an extremely difficult and dangerous process. And even if it isn't always life threatening, as you pointed out--which I agree with--it is a DAMNED uncomfortable thing to go through. It is something that you will never understand. Ab muscles and ribs literally move apart. The bladder moves inside of you. Weight gain, bloating, mood swings, constant sickness.

But you know what? Even all that aside?
If a woman wants to rid herself of a LITERAL parasite (definition of parasite: organism that feeds off of the nutrients of another to sustain its "life") that is feeding off of her? More power to her. I don't see you advocating for tapeworm rights.

Born people (breathing, self-sustaining, thinking organisms) should have more rights than those of the unborn. It is NOT the government's place to tell me to adopt a christian viewpoint on when life begins.
If you disagree, perhaps think of all of the children you're robbing of sweet, sweet life the next time you masturbate.

There is nothing to do with "Christian viewpoint on when life begins."
Life begins at conception, which is literally taught in textbooks from high school through graduate school: https://abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/

You just have to come to grips with the fact that you are OK with murder (the premeditated, unlawful killing of another human being with malice of forethought.) Well, it is murder now in states with "heartbeat bills."

You already seem angry enough to kill, why not just admit that you are OK with murder?

There is a huge difference between actual human life (fertilized egg) and only potential life (an egg or a sperm) which they also teach in those textbooks I talked about.

I won't "come to grips" with anything, since I don't believe fetuses to be humans until they are born. They're living, of course--but many things can be alive without being human. If you plant a seed and then dig it up, you haven't cut down a tree. You've dug up a seed.
I don't believe a fetus gains rights or 'person hood' until it is no longer in the parasitic stage.
"Angry enough to kill"? This isn't even close to angry. You're the one calling me a murderer, remember. I'm just horrified by the backwards steps our society is taking, and I thank my lucky stars every single day that I was not born a bible-thumping, gun-toting, woman-beating American.
What DOES make me angry is women being forced to carry their rapist's children and being sued for custody rights; impoverished women being forced to carry children that they know they can't afford; babies born addicted to drugs; a bloated and broken foster care system; children being born with mass challenges and having no sense of the world, but being tied to it by their pain just the same; thirteen year olds that are forced to ruin the rest of their young lives because they had sex--which every. person. does.

It's just so gruesomely interesting to me that unborn babies are the ultimate in human morality, but the women carrying them mean less than nothing. How on earth does that work?
Do you really think a child is going to grow up happy and healthy when they have a mother that hates them and was forced to keep them? That certainly doesn't seem like a happy life to me.

If you think you can spare a half-thought of real time for us on the other side, give https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alabama-abortion-law-rape_n_5cdc3627e4b09d94af53f471 this article a read. It doesn't bash anybody, it's merely an informed look of a woman who was raped and was forced to give birth to not only the rapist's child, but a severely handicapped child.

Ultimately though, I don't expect you to read that article. I know there's no reasoning with either side. You clearly think I'm a crazy murderer, and I think you're an old-fashioned, right-wing misogynist.
Perhaps that's just the way of the world.

As I said, I'm not surprised that you didn't read the article, which is a shame, as it really brings to light the suffering of a handicapped rape-baby that died in pain after a year of suffering in a world she didn't understand. Her name was Zoe.

And as I said before, I won't admit any such thing. To murder, means to kill another human being; and in my eyes, fetuses aren't that. I hunt animals; I don't consider that murder, either.

But you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. And again, as I said before, I don't think either of us are convincing each other of anything--just hardening our beliefs about the other side. So perhaps this conversation should just stop while we're somewhat ahead.