Change My Mind

Bacon is good.

Would you say that you're against animal cruelty and does taste justify taking a life?

“food justifies taking a life”

Does that justify taking a human life then? By that logic it’s ok to kill anyone so long as you eat them.

you know full well what octavia means.

killing animals is justified to get food. Why? because humans ARE superior and ARE omnivores. We need meat for a balanced diet and protein, to put animals on the same level as humans is inconsistant with observable fact ... that fact being that animals are f**king stupid. They cant write, read, speak, or have higher brain functions i.e. thinking like us.

I do however also want to bring up your "gotcha" moment from your long ass reply.

I dont want animal brutality because animals are still alive and deserve to not be hurt for no reason, killing one for food however, is justification for a quick death and one with very little pain. That way we can eat.

also before you pull the whole PETA "would you eat a dog?" BS ... YES I would eat a dog, and I HAVE eaten dog. It actually tastes alot like BEEF. :)

Let's think about this in the human context: there are many humans who may be less intelligent than you and I or just unable to do some of the things that you and I can do but would this justify us killing them, if we are them for food? Also, 75% of animals are also herbivores, including, as I said, the primates who we evolved from. Animals killed on factory farms, non-factory farms and slaughterhouses also eat only plants, which is their only source of nutrients. Doesn't this show that we can live purely on plants and cut out the middle man, reducing suffering?

So, given that the animals I mentioned are herbivores, meaning that the protein that's in their dead flesh is derived from plants, where d'you think that humans get the nutrients, originally? It's being synthesized through their bodies and their dead flesh, for which this animal went through unimaginable pain, so, don't you think that this would prove that we could just get it from the source by eating the plants and cutting out taking a life?
Also, we survive much better, in the long-term, by eating only plants. Eating animal products also results largely in the three most common diseases: diabetes, cancer and heart disease. Does it make sense to eat products that cause such diseases and to argue that humans can survive on them?
Lastly, just because we can do something, does that provide moral justification for us to do that? Let's put it in a different context: I could go and kill a human but would my ability to do that provide moral justification for me to do that? I can go and rob a bank but would my ability to go and do that provide moral justification for me to do that?

im against beating animals senseless for no reason, yes.

im ok with a quick death so I can have bacon, also yes.

also animals are lesser than humans, this is just a fact of life. They are here to be eaten as we are omnivores, we eat meat and plants.

so a ceaser salad with bacon sounds good right now.

Thank-you for replying.

So, if you are against beating animals senseless for no reason, and therefore are against causing animals harm, what is the difference between this and a "quick death", which also causes unnecessary harm?

Does a "quick death" justify killing animals, just because it's quick? Does "quick" mean painless?

Animals are also not lesser than humans if we indeed believe that they shouldnt be harmed unnecessarily and acknowledge this, as you do, as most of us would never do the same to a human. Many animals also predate us. Even if they were less than, would this justify us inflicting pain on them and killing them? Let's think about this in the human context: there are many humans who may be less intelligent than you and I or just unable to do some of the things that you and I can do but would this justify us killing them?

We are also not omnivores, at all. We evolved from animals who ate primarily plants, with the occasional insect, when there was an insect on the plant. It was also the development of the ability to cook carbohydrates, which then broke down into glucose, that helped our brains and bodies to evolve how they have and, therefore, helped us survive, not eating animal flesh or secretions. 75% of animals are also herbivores, including, as I said, the primates who we evolved from. Animals killed for food also eat only plants, which is their only source of nutrients. Doesn't this show that we can live purely on plants and cut out the middle man, reducing suffering? Eating animal products also results largely in the three most common diseases: diabetes, cancer and heart disease. Does it make sense to eat products that cause such diseases, if you've stated that you're against suffering?

If interested in more information about animal agriculture practices, its effect on the planet and on our health, please watch the documentaries below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlBSuuy50Y - Earthlings (animal agriculture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvtVkNofcq8 - Land of Hope and Glory (UK animal agriculture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og62hbNl794 - What the Health
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDlC4b9viTA - Cowspiracy

Yes, they are actually. That’s how nature works. Survival of the fittest & mercy is for the weak

"Yes, they are actually". Sorry, but I don't know which bit you're referring to.

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Oh, ok, did you maybe mean "Yes, they should actually."?

No I meant “yes’ they are actually.”
They are lesser than humans.

There’s a reason we farm the animals & the animals don’t farm us. We’re superior. We can go to space & observe the universe. They can’t even figure out a language

Well, does that, in fact, mean that we're superior to them? I agree that humans have done those things and that animals haven't but aren't there plenty of humans who don't do those things, too? Would it therefore be justified to kill and eat these people? Does intelligence or lack of ability to do something justify killing these animals for their flesh,if you acknowledge that they're sentient?

Can I just ask, what trait makes them lesser than humans?

There’s a reason we farm the animals & the animals don’t farm us. We’re superior. We can go to space & observe the universe. They can’t even figure out a language

Humans didn’t evolve to the top of the food chain just so they could eat grass.

Many animals predate us, lions and tigers, for example. 75% of animals are also herbivores, including, as I said, the primates who we evolved from. Animals killed for food also eat only plants, which is their only source of nutrients. Doesn't this show that we can live purely on plants and cut out the middle man, reducing suffering?

No

May I ask why?

You don’t know how basic biology works? Really?

Even if you don’t, why would you purposely shorten your diet options & stop your body from consuming the necessary ingredients that we all need. Hence why most people eat meat.