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My thoughts exactly.
I'll be posting this on their memes that say "think of the children!"
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The ultimate hypocrissy. My ears go deaf to them when they want to get on their soap box and scream bloody murder over this.
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Just like my ears go deaf when you say god is pro-life, yet he slaughtered countless babies and children during Passover :) remember that? Remember when your god killed all those babies, and you're apparently fine with that? I remember. And Pepperidge Farm remembers. Tell your god to chill out and stop killing everyone whenever he gets sand in his va**na. It's not cool.

Hypocrisy indeed
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"My god"?? If GOD doesn't exist then this didn't really happen, did it?? GOD can't murder because He created life and it is only he has the right to remove it. Neither you nor I are the authors of life and thus the term "murder" as well as the punishment. The even larger problem you have is that because it seems that you don't believe in God so what's your objective standard for calling anything evil or bad?? If atheism is true then you sure aren't talking like it because if it were then nothing would be objectively WRONG. But, here you are calling God wrong. That's simply your opinion. For anything to evil then God has to exist.
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"GOD can't murder because He created life and it is only he has the right to remove it."

But a woman who is pregnant is creating life, so by your logic she should have the right to end it.

The even larger problem you have is that because it seems that you don't believe in God so what's your objective standard for calling anything evil or bad?

What's my objective standard for calling anything evil or bad? Simply put, human well-being. You could also say "flourishing". Things which harm a person are generally bad, and things which help them are generally good.

I'm curious: if you say you get your sense of right and wrong from god, does that mean you agree with the rules he handed down in the Bible? Should we live by those rules today? Can we own slaves, like the ancient Israelites were allowed to? Can we kill rebellious children and witches and gays and adulterers?

"If atheism is true then you sure aren't talking like it because if it were then nothing would be objectively WRONG. But, here you are calling God wrong. That's simply your opinion."

1. Who says nothing would be objectively wrong if god didn't exist? 2. Are things objectively right and wrong if he does exist?

"For anything to evil then God has to exist."

Prove it
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Thanks. Women aren’t creating life and women are created themselves.

What's my objective standard for calling anything evil or bad? Simply put, human well-being. You could also say "flourishing". Things which harm a person are generally bad, and things which help them are generally good.

I am afraid that you have misunderstood the nature of the question and have failed to answer it. Once you use the term “My objective standard”, it’s not objective – it’s subjective. In other words, it’s your opinion. Without any context to your term “flourishing”, it is really saying nothing. Why is harming people bad? Who are you to make that judgement? If God doesn’t exist then a person who wants to harm people has an opinion which is just as valid as yours. So, you have failed to establish an objective standard because atheism cannot. There is no evil or good if atheism is true. BTW – Abortion harms a person.

“I'm curious: if you say you get your sense of right and wrong from god, does that mean you agree with the rules he handed down in the Bible? Should we live by those rules today? Can we own slaves, like the ancient Israelites were allowed to? Can we kill rebellious children and witches and gays and adulterers?”

Great questions. I agree with the “rules” which are meant for people today. There are many which are meant specifically for the Israelites –Civil. Some are Ceremonial – specifically for Israelites. Some are UNIVERSAL – for all of mankind. Keep these in mind the next time you read it and it will emerge clearer as to which is which. Indentured servitude was part of those times and it had strict limitations. Slavery as a rule is always views as a negative in scripture and is roundly condemned in 1 Timothy 1:10.

Your last statement is easy. Who has the authority to claim anything as right or wrong if God does not exist? You sure don’t. For the atheist, there is no objective by which you are able to establish morality and therefore nothing is right or wrong –just our opinions. If you say that anything is write or wrong then by your own mouth, you are admitting to God.
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"Once you use the term “My objective standard”, it’s not objective – it’s subjective."

You're right, that was my mistake.

"Without any context to your term “flourishing”, it is really saying nothing."

Flourishing means to survive, to thrive, to progress as a society. Regardless of religious background, the vast majority of humans would agree that this is goal worth striving for. A society that doesn't care about flourishing will quickly die out.

"Why is harming people bad?"

That is self-evident. Harming people is bad because it is detrimental to their well-being, and by extension, the well-being of society as a whole.

"Who are you to make that judgement?"

I am an active, contributing member of society. That allows me to make that judgement, because other people depend on me to not harm them, and I depend on them to not harm me.

"If God doesn’t exist then a person who wants to harm people has an opinion which is just as valid as yours."

Their *opinion* may be valid, but that doesn't necessarily mean their actions are.

"So, you have failed to establish an objective standard because atheism cannot."

Atheism says nothing about morality. Atheism is only a position regarding the existence (or lack thereof) of a god or gods.

"There is no evil or good if atheism is true."

That is false. I am an atheist and I can say things are good or evil. If you mean there is no *objective* good or evil, you could make that argument, but so what? And even then, there are atheists who would argue that objective morality does exist within the framework of human flourishing.

"BTW – Abortion harms a person."

Abortion terminates a pregnancy. The issue of personhood is up for debate.

"Great questions. I agree with the “rules” which are meant for people today. There are many which are meant specifically for the Israelites –Civil...Some are UNIVERSAL – for all of mankind."

How do you tell them apart? How do you know which ones are meant for people today and which ones were only meant for ancient Israel?

"Keep these in mind the next time you read it and it will emerge clearer as to which is which."

Except that it doesn't, because the Bible doesn't specify.
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"Slavery as a rule is always views as a negative in scripture and is roundly condemned in 1 Timothy 1:10."

You cite one verse that condemns slavery traders, and ignore the numerous verses that clearly allow for owning slaves. Exodus 21 lays out rules for buying slaves and how to treat them. You can beat your slaves as long as they don't die right away. You can pass down your slaves to your children as property. It even describes them as property, not human beings. Slaves in ancient Israel were basically seen as no different than livestock. The New Testament even tells slaves to obey their masters. Jesus had the opportunity to completely abolish slavery, yet he never did.

"Who has the authority to claim anything as right or wrong if God does not exist?

We do, as a society, because what's right or wrong affects all of us as a whole.

"For the atheist, there is no objective by which you are able to establish morality and therefore nothing is right or wrong."

False. If the objective is agreed upon by society to be human well-being, then what benefits or harms people or society as a whole can be said to be objectively right or wrong. If human well-being is the goal we agree on, then randomly killing people or hurting people goes against that goal and (within that framework) is objectively wrong. You could argue that the goal itself is subjective, but once the goal is agreed upon, we use that as our objective standard.

I've heard it compared to chess. The rules of chess are subjective, but once the goal of winning the game is agreed upon, the choices the player makes are objectively beneficial or detrimental to the goal of winning the game.

"If you say that anything is write or wrong then by your own mouth, you are admitting to God."

This is both false and absurd. I'm not saying god exists just because I say an action is right or wrong. Just like if you mention the planet Jupiter, that doesn't mean you believe Zeus actually exists.

How exactly does objective morality originate from god, anyway? If it's what he says, then it's subjective, not objective. "God's objective morality" is an oxymoron, just like the error I made earlier. Add to that the fact that I've never once seen or heard any god give any moral guidelines. I've only heard other humans say that the moral guidelines they give are from a god. Why should I believe them? You don't believe the rules in the Quran come from god. Why should I believe the rules in the Bible come from god?
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Unlike slavery in America, there were guidelines around slavery and in that culture there were ENDENTURED SLAVES. Furthermore there is a difference between the Bible DESCRIBING events and PRESCRIBING or telling people what they SHOULD do. Please go back and read it with this is mind and a different picture will emerge.

It is also self -defeating for you to claim that society determines what’s right or wrong and then complain about a society in Biblical times having slavery. Which is it? You cannot have it both ways. If society determines what is right or wrong then society could determine that slavery or killing Jewish people is morally acceptable. So, again there is no objective standard and the key word here is STANDARD. If it changes from society to society then you have no standard.

In chess or any other game, the rules are objective standards by which to play the game. If the rules changed on a whim then no one would know how to play. So, you might want to rethink this.

Is being right or wrong simply one’s opinion against another’s opinion? For something to truly be right then it is right regardless of opinion. It is what is known as “mind independent”. 2+2=4 is an objective truth. It is beyond our opinions and it is an unchanging standard. The same principle applies to morality. When you call something evil or wrong, you are appealing to an objective standard which has not been met. If you aren’t then it it’s simply your opinion that something is evil against the opinion of someone else that it’s not. So, you are unwittingly appealing to a source outside of mankind. A higher authority.

When you say that you have not heard God tell you what is moral, there is no need to. The Bible states that the moral law is written on our hearts. We know. How? By our reactions when someone does something wrong to us. You might not know it’s wrong to steal from someone else but you know that it is wrong when someone steals something from you! But, just in case you miss it then they are written about in the Bible.

Without getting too long on this, the God of the Bible is the prime suspect for being the Creator of the universe and everything in it. He fits the bill as described in scripture – morally perfect and the ground of all reality – timeless – immaterial – all powerful – timeless/eternal – the source of all that is good.
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Good point
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Who is murdering children? Have you contacted law enforcement about this? If someone is murdering children, that's horrible and illegal and you should immediately call the police.
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From my friend thefundamentalfundie...

When the ones allowing the children to be murdered have enshrined that wickedness into law and fight vehemently to keep it enshrined to the point they won't even vote 'yes' on a law that would protect the lives of babies who survived an attempted murder, who can I call?
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Like I said, if someone is committing murder and illegally killing babies, please contact law enforcement immediately.

The picture you posted doesn't make sense, because Democrats aren't sacrificing newborns on some religious altar (not literally, and not metaphorically). You seem to be under the impression that since you don't like abortion, it must therefore be murder. Sorry, but words don't work that way.

If you have knowledge of an *actual* crime being committed, please call the FBI or your local police department.
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This is what they are literally doing. Do you think that is OK?

Before you go off on some "NO U!" tagant about a "homicidal, baby killing god" what if I didn't even believe that? Can you defend politicians that wouldn't even vote to protect babies that survive an attempted abortion?
Or will you stoop to a "NO U" argument?
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I'm not sure what should happen if an abortion fails. Part of me says let it live, since it's outside the womb. Part of me says the whole point of an abortion is to terminate a pregnancy, so they should finish the job. I would lean toward the first one, though, that it should live.

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but think about this: if someone is going to be executed and they survive the execution (which has happened on occasion), should their death sentence be commuted? Or should the job be finished? It's not the best analogy because you'll point out that I'm comparing an abortion to an execution.
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You have a great point about your terms - (Murder/illegal) which is why I don't use them in these conversations in order to be accurate. But as far some of the other things you mentioned, you seem to be purposely distorting. While the DNC doesn't sacrafice newborns, the do seem to adhere to abortion as a religion. Also, there is no significant difference between killing the unborn and a new born which would justify killing one but not the other. There, size, level of development, environment and dependency non of which doesn't make any of us more or less human. Killing another human being without proper justification is evil, like **pe or theft. So, we do not oppose it because "we don't like it" - we oppose it because, like slavery, **pe and theft - it's evil to kill innocent human beings because they are inconvenient. Most of us would take issue with someone who said "I don't like **pe" as if it is a personal peference. It is to reduce it to the kind of car brand one likes or to your favorite color. Abortion is the taking of a human being's life.
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