For this reason, it's one of the few issues I'm "right-wing" on...

"It is false to claim that no one knows when life begins and dishonest to argue that abortion does not kill a human being."
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It is not irrelevant because it does and if you get that part of the argument right you can say that you are not denying science as taught through grade school to grad school.

... You do realize we're on the same side, right?

If you are here, alive and well, thank God. YOU WERE NOT ABORTED! Everyone is against abortion when it's a question of their OWN LIFE.

There are always mitigating circumstances. Closing the door forever is just narrow-minded.

Have your opinion tho, by all means. Just don't let your opinion dictate that which doesn't affect you.

Are you saying a person's life doesn't matter if they were conceived in rape?

I'm saying that's up to the person raped and not someone who isn't involved or affected by it.

Does a person's life matter more if they weren't conceived in rape?

You're placing the value of life over all other regards. There's always an exception to the rule. Point being if we take a pure and hardliners stance on things such as abortion, we'll lose compassion for those suffering inconceivable choices. There are all walks of life and even more stories. Taking a hardline stance leaves you closed for options. Life is as important as we want it to be - some more valuable than others. Keep an open mind cause stuff happens that tests morality in ways you may not thought of. Let God judge.

Many horrible things have been done with the thought process of "Life is as important as we want it to be - some more valuable than others."

Like it or not that's the way it works. I didn't make the rules. Secret Service protects the POTUS and his family - mine has to fend for ourselves like everyone else. Homeless, addicts, the ill, and even refugees are uncared for and ignored by the masses. People starve or are oppressed by militant forces yet others look away or make no effort to help. The value of life is on a sliding scale.

Babies conceived through violence? Before we destroy one person's life for another that wasn't wanted to begin with, how about we let the real victim make the choice? Some will choose to keep it, in which case you win. Others would rather die themselves (or could die trying) than conceive it.

Be careful, choosing the infant life over the mother puts a higher value on that life though, which is what you're against.

As long as you understand the consequences of your thought process, then my questioning is done.

That street goes both ways.

Agreed, good responses.

Indeed. Glad we could discuss it :)

Appreciate the civility from both sides. :D

My heart breaks for the mother, but she can give the child up for adoption. Why should an innocent life be taken because of someone else's despicable crime?

Agreed. If you don't want the kid or can't take care of him/her, set him/her up for adoption. Don't kill him/her before he/she can even be born!

If life were ever that simple I would probably agree. Find yourself facing those decisions and you might look at it differently too. There shouldn't be a rubber stamp for issues like this because they are infinitely more complicated than the black and white world of pro-lifers.

And if the pregnancy is dangerous or lethal to the mother? What then?

Adoption. Good service, that. Except the lives being saved are unwanted by the masses. Never seen a pro-life organization adopt tons of kids and provide for them. They just say others can do it.

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Hope no pro life males masterbate. That could have been used to fertilize an egg and make a life.

Apples and oranges, my friend. Look at it like this: the egg is peanut butter the sperm is jelly. Together, they make a sandwich (life). On their own, they're not life.

tiefente, your argument assumes that human sperm is somehow scarce, which isn't true. In fact, the opposite is true: http://scienceline.org/2008/06/ask-olson-sperm/

um your argument is invalid because humans are also not scare... if you come up with an countering argument it must contrast the point you are arguing against lol

tiefente, nice try, but I did counter your argument. You do know that millions of sperm engage in a race to fertilize an egg, and only one makes it? Therefore, all the rest of them are "wasted." Your argument seemed to be saying (paraphrase) "If you are pro-life, you mustn't ever waste any sperm that could have been used to fertilize an egg." The very act of procreation is wasteful in that way. Sperm are plentiful and it doesn't matter if we waste them or not. When a sperm is united with an egg, however, we say that life begins, and THAT is what should never be wasted. Therefore, there is NO contradiction between being pro-life and being wasteful of sperm.