Popular Vote vs. Electoral College: and the winner is....

I think you miss what it is saying. If we were to take out New York City, Hillary would not have won popular vote. To say that she should have been president because she won popular vote would mean we would have allowed a 319 square mile section of the entire country to determine the outcome. The electoral college was created to prevent that from happening.

It is one thing for a small geographical area with a large population to control the state's electoral votes, which is what happened here if you look at a map of New York state from the election. It is another thing to allow that same area control the entire outcome of the election for the nation. I did always find it odd that she won D.C. by 270,000 votes, out of a total of 294,000 votes.

Honestly I just saw the top image on facebook and decided to add the bottom half to make it a meme. I am really torn on whether I would prefer popular vote over electoral college because I feel the e.c. takes away the individuals voice more, but it also has helped keep people out of office that I really don't think should be in there.

The Portland metro area determines the results for the state of Oregon. There are more people in cities. You're too kind here O_M, the logic AnimationFun is spewing is more than questionable. See my reply on here - please.

And just like tetsuoswrath you are begging people to turn against me. Keep it up, each comment you make proves you are him.

#1 - It's one person one vote. Where the votes reside does not matter. It's called democracy.

#2 - if it were the other way around and the names in the calculation above were reversed you'd be pissing yourself in righteous fury, claiming the election had been stolen.

#1- 1 person = 1 vote, but if we were to look into a lot further, I would bet we would find out that the deceased and illegals did vote. Then maybe we should also consider the majority who were eligible didn't vote because they didn't want any of the 4 choices (although 2 really shouldn't have been considered a viable choice anyways). There is no option, other than write-in, to say that you don't want either one. A write-in is essentially a throw-away vote, which is no different than not voting. So to say Hillary should have won based off of popular vote can really be considered false, because the majority of the population didn't want either one.

#2- Says every Liberal/democrat because the system has never worked for them in this way. All but a handful of elections did the president win both. I didn't want Obama for the first 4 or the second 4 years, I saw that it was going to be a mistake, but I didn't go around throwing bricks through glass windows of businesses, stopped traffic for hours while people were trying to get to work, pulled people out of their vehicles and beat them, or immediately call for the impeachment of him within the first 100 days. And neither did the majority of the others that didn't want him.

#3- Did this happen when Bush won agaist Gore? That election Gore lost by a state, Hillary lost by a lot more. She would have had to have Florida, Pennsylvania, and at least one other state to get electoral votes.

#1 - the demos is made up of those who do vote. If you don't vote you simply lose your say in the government's make-up. And one doesn't just 'bet' that some desired facts or results are out there; you must prove it. There were no 3 million illegal and dead voters out there. And if there were, how many would have voted for Trump? There's no logic in assuming all illegal votes would be for Clinton.

#2 - I nor most liberals/Democrats are not rioting or calling for impeachment (in fact I'd like to see Trump stay on for four years and continue to screw up and totally destroy the chances of another brainless nationalist to ever get elected). And 'the system' has worked for two 2 term Democratic presidents in the last 25 years who were majority elected. The Republicans haven't had a presidential candidate reach the White House by means other than lose-popular-vote/win-electoral-college since the first Bush a quarter century ago. Of course you'll argue for the electoral college, it's the only way a candidate with minority opinions like yours can get in the Oval Office.

#3 - Trump won several former Democratic states by small margins. Gore and Bush fought tooth-and nail-over most states because at least Bush represented a mainstream form of semi-palatable conservatism. The fact that Hillary won more votes overall, regardless of geography, show more Americans are in tune with what she campaigned on than with Trump's strong-man lack of ideas. I accept electoral college results, but the electoral system is crock. A conservative minority shouldn't have their way over a more moderate majority because some faulty algorithm created 240 years ago for a different era is closely guarded by those whose ideas don't hold water.

Your arguments are subjective, not objective. Again, if the results were reversed you'd be arguing with me how the electoral college was a conspiracy to deny Trump the presidency.

#1- And once again, how many of those who are protesting against Trump are even registered to vote? There were a couple thousand in Chicago alone that were not registered. Actually there is logic in believing the illegals would have only voted for Hillary because of Trump's stand against illegal immigration and building the wall. I wasn't trying to say that the 3 million difference would have gone away by those votes alone, I was just posing the question about if it were to be investigated what the results would be.

#2- You assume that he is only going to ruin the country, when he has actually already done some good things for us, whether you are willing to accept it or not. Actually what I will argue toward you about is that Bush won his 2nd term both popular and electoral votes.

#3- You only accept the electoral college when it works in your favor. Had it gone the other way around and Trump had popular and Hillary had electoral, would you tell us to shut it and accept the results and stop protesting (that is if we were even out protesting like what has been going on for the last 8 months). Yes there were some protests when Obama was elected, with some individuals involved in some violent acts. However the numbers involved in these protests greatly outnumber anything Republicans have done in the past.

And you think anything you have stated is objected? That is a load of crock. Again, if it were reversed, you would say we need to shut our mouths and accept the results. Regardless of what you say, because you are wanting Trump to fail you are in a way protesting him being elected.

So let me ask you this. Why, in your opinion, would Hillary have been a better choice?

#1 - I need facts, not speculation.

#2 - Bush won his second term only after having won his first by popular loss/electoral win. I accept his wins in both cases. (The one thing I accept Trump has done is make W. Bush look good.)

#3 - I would accept protests against Clinton had she won just as I accepted protests against Obama. It's free speech. If Clinton had won via electoral college I obviously would have accepted it as that's how the system is set up; and yes, I do think the college system should be done away with.

It's not that I want Trump to fail; he's doing it of his own accord. He's more interested in how the presidency makes him 'great' more than he wants to make America great. And Hillary would've been a better choice primarily because she's not Trump.

I am not even going to bother with you any more. If you can't handle simple google searches to see what took place with multiple protests, there is no point in continuing with you. You clearly are close-minded and not worthy of any more of my time. You can leave all my memes now.

I'm beginning to think tetsuowrath is right about alt accounts. You've the distinct illogical arrogance of renegade_sith.

Based off of that comment, then you have just marked yourself as being an alt of tetsuoswrath. Should have known that this was another one of his accounts, based off of the logic you use for your arguments and how you automatically accuse me of being renegade. Good job on outting yourself.

Good lord, you ARE renegade_sith. The grammar and logic structure are the same, as well as the mindless anger.

What this has really shown is the amount of people that have become elgible to vote not being responsible enough to. If people can't handle the results based off of how the system is put into place, regardless of the results, they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Whoa. And now you show your anti-democratic (and indeed anti-republican) colors. Perhaps we should just sterilize those who don't adhere to conservative principles? People can vote if they want to and people can NOT vote if they want to. It's called freedom. Once again this is the standard operating procedure for conservatism: citizens are okay until they vote differently than you want or seek freedoms other than what you are totally comfortable with, then there should be laws passed reducing their freedoms and taking away their rights. This is why conservative values have faded from the American mainstream over the past few decades, regardless of GOP gerrymandering of congressional districts. The future is not yours regardless of your twisting of the facts on the ground.

You are assuming I even voted. I didn't, for 2 reasons. #1 I don't really know that any of the candidates were qualified to become president. #2- I knew going inti the election where my states cotes were going to go, since they have gone to the same place the last 11 elections.

How many thousands of people protested in Chicago over Trump winning that aren't even registered voters? How many people overall that have protested are registered? So it must be OK for them to complain as long as their complaints follow your views.

Another reason I didn't vote is I didn't follow any of the candidates enough to know whether or not I could trust anything they were going to say.

I don't care who people vote for, what I care about is if they are going to say they are an adult and vote, then they should act like an adult when the results are in. So far, none of the protests I have seen have showed me they are acting like an adult. Otherwise we might as well have people who are 8 years old vote, because that is how many of these people are acting. It is not based off of who I did or didn't vote for, or any of my political views, it is all about being a responsible voter.

I never assume anything. I certainly don't assume people should shut up and accept the results because it went against them. It's their right to free speech even if they aren't registered to vote. You get constitutional rights as a citizen even if you don't mark a piece of paper every couple of years. I vote primarily because I can; it's a celebration of being able to do so in a democracy. I also choose to criticize the current occupant of the oval office because I can, and because he's a danger to my freedoms.

If I made an assumption it may have been that I expected you to get overly emotional in your responses. You actually gave reasoned responses and I respect that.

BTW, you need to stop contradicting yourself. Protests are just like complaints and you stated those who don't vote have no right to complain. Now you are saying they have the right to complain/protest? Another reason I am done with your bullshit.

Apparently my first impression was correct.

And my first impression of you was also correct? Why are you still here? Oh because you need to argue with someone to make yourself feel superior. But your response to that is only going to be that you don't make yourself feel superior but my comments make me look inferior, right? Thought so. You only say that Trump is failing on hos own accord because you are too afraid to admit you want him to fail, because wanting the president to fail is also saying you want this country to fail. You couldn't even answer the simple question of why you think Hillary would have been better, because you honestly know she would have been worse for this country than Trump.

As far as your "argument" about Bush, the same then could be said about Obama and that he wouldn't have won the 2nd term if it wasn't for the fact he won the first and had an unworthy opponent that really didn't even want to run in the first place.

You have only proven with each comment that you don't accept Trump's win, regardless of what you try to say. Had Hillary won the same way Trump did, you would expect us to accept it and not protest, vandalize, or even pit on plays that depict the assassination of the President (look up Caesar Shakespeare in the Park if you are confused about that one). The fact you want the electoral college gone only proves you don't accept his win or any other former president that won in the same way. I bet you also believe that Trump won because Russia hacked into the system. If that were true, and the electoral college wasn't around, then anyone who is capable of hacking into the system could rig the voting by giving popular vote to whoever they want.

If you want me gone from your memes you'll need to be gone from my notifications.

Sounds just like tets, claims that you are not trolling me, blames me for your attacks, and claims every one of your comments are defense towards my attacks. Also claiming I am renegade is not helping your case any. Next you are going to claim I am Socrates. Keep digging yourself a hole tetsuoswrath, you are just making your alt usage more obvious.

Same inability to let things be. And whinging on tetsuowrath hasn't helped your claim to not be renegade_sith. And socrates is a thinker; I wouldn't make that mistake.

I am the one who isn't able to let things be? Your the one that keeps coming back to my meme to comment. Why don't you just leave and let it be? You are the one coming here to attack me, just like tetsuoswrath, not the other way around. And I see that you are now upvoting your own comments, just like tetsuoswrath. You are the one who started trying to claim I am someone else with no evidence except your own word, just like tetsuoswrath. So tell me again why I shouldn't believe you are not tetsuoswrath.

It wasn't a threat, it was a promise. I will be watching your comments, just like I watch others who atrack me. Stop trying to play the victim card, because it was you who went after me first, not the other way around. Just like tets, you have to argue with people who disagree with you and then claim to be the victim afterwards. You 2 act exactly the same so there is no reason for me to believe you are not him. You don't like the fact I will be retaliating, then maybe you shouldn't have tried to go after me.

Well said!