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The Evil Done Here |  KILLED THOUSANDS IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM, DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRISTERO WAR WHICH HAD 250 THOUSAND DEATHS', AND SIDED WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACIST HATE GROUP THE KKK IN SAID WAR; PRESIDENT PLUTARCO ELÍAS CALLES OF MEXICO: WAS AN ATHEIST. | image tagged in atheism,murder,war,racism,white supremacy,kkk | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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0 ups, 2w
just because he was an atheist doesn't make all atheists bad
I'm an atheist and a lot of my friends are and we are not bad people
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0 ups, 1m,
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And he was wrong. What's your point?
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Congratulations for admitting that Plutarco Elias Calles (who denied the existence of God) was incorrect.
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0 ups, 1m,
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I didn't say he was incorrect about believing God doesn't exist, I meant he was wrong for enforcing state atheism and persecuting people.
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If there is no God, than the statement "he was wrong for enforcing state atheism and persecuting people" is just opinion. It might be your opinion, my opinion, everyone's opinion, or society's opinion, but nothing more than opinion. God's existence is necessary for any statement on moral right and wrong to have any factual value. If there is no God, then the statement "It is immoral to take an AK47 to a train station and light up a bunch of random people simply for being black" is not a fact, just my opinion. It wouldn't and couldn't ever objectively be immoral to do that, I just think/feel/believe that it is.
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"If there is no God, than the statement "he was wrong for enforcing state atheism and persecuting people" is just opinion"

Only if morality can only come from God, which no one has ever demonstrated

"It might be your opinion, my opinion, everyone's opinion, or society's opinion, but nothing more than opinion"

I can say it's immoral based on the commonly accepted standard of morality in US society

"God's existence is necessary for any statement on moral right and wrong to have any factual value"

Prove it

"If there is no God, then the statement "It is immoral to take an AK47 to a train station and light up a bunch of random people simply for being black" is not a fact, just my opinion"

Prove it

"It wouldn't and couldn't ever objectively be immoral to do that"

Have you demonstrated that morality is objective?
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God's nature provides an objective reference point for moral values. Nothing else can. Human or societal opinion, by definition, can only ever produce subjective reference points for moral values. If there is no God, the subjective reference points privided by human and societal opinion are the only reference points in existence. If all morality is just someone's opinion, then why should my opinion be given any more weight than Hitler's opinion? It shouldn't. Opinions, by definition, are not objective. Even if entire societies think that it is wrong to take an AK47 to a train station and light up people just for being black, that is the society's opinion. The opinion might be unanimously held within the society, but it is still opinion. It would not be a fact, just something that everyone thinks, feels, or believes.
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"God's nature provides an objective reference point for moral values. Nothing else can."

That's a claim. Let's see the evidence for that claim.

"Human or societal opinion, by definition, can only ever produce subjective reference points for moral values"

That's true. But that doesn't mean morality isn't subjective.

"If all morality is just someone's opinion, then why should my opinion be given any more weight than Hitler's opinion?"

Morality is about humans working together and getting along to help people and society flourish. We can demonstrate that some people's moral positions are less likely than other moral positions to contribute to societal and personal flourishing. A god doesn't even factor into the equation.

"Opinions, by definition, are not objective"

Then why should I care what God says about morality?

"Even if entire societies think that it is wrong to take an AK47 to a train station and light up people just for being black, that is the society's opinion"

Yes, and would you rather live in a society where the vast majority of people say it's wrong to do that, or a society where the vast majority says it's okay to do that?
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"Morality is about humans working together and getting along to help people and society flourish." If only the actual definition agreed with you.
"Then why should I care what God says about morality?" Doesn't follow from the excerpt preceding it.
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