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He admitted in a TV interview that he wouldn't have been hired to Burisma if his father wasn't the Vice President. That's influence peddling - which is incredibly corrupt.

Seperate investigation and trial.

Not exactly, if Burisma thought they would get something directly in return from the US government, then they were sorely mistaken. If Hunter Biden asked his father to do something to help Burisma though, that would be corrupt. There is nothing, inherently, corrupt by Burisma hiring Biden for his name recognition.

It gets them direct access to the office of the president. The interview was incredible.... I couldn't believe they let it on the air. He could have stabbed Joe on live TV and done less damage.

Tell me where Hunter Biden said he used his influence to get Burisma "direct access the office of the President?"

1. He admits that he would not have been hired if he was not the son of the Vice President.

"I think that it's impossible for me to be on any of the boards I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the Vice President of the United States"

https://youtu.be/KX3LmkHrho4?t=374

He admits why he was hired.

Q: "If your name wasn't Biden, do you think you would have been asked to be on the board of Burisma?"
A: "I don't know. I don't know. Probably not."

https://youtu.be/KX3LmkHrho4?t=393

So, he doesn't admit that his influence relied on direct access to the office of the President. He got in by name recognition. That is not a crime.

Did you miss the first quote?

"I think that it's impossible for me to be on any of the boards I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the Vice President of the United States"

So did Hunter ask Joe to fire the prosecutor? Did Burisma ask Joe to? If that can't be proven idk if there's much of a case there. As far as I know being the vice-president's son is not a crime, nor is writing that fact on a job application, nor is them hiring him because of it...

Someone else here recently told me courts ruled President Trump's direct relatives can legally profit off his presidency.. (haven't fact-checked that) but I wonder what their thoughts on this matter are.

Also thanks.

I already have the Solomon and Finklestein smear pieces from browsing the comments section of Solomon's article... It is already part of my dissection. Unfortunately, I'm more inclined to side with the Hill over CNN in regards to integrity.

Years past, I might have held them to be of equal footing but there is an unfortunate decline in CNN's quality reporting in recent years. I'm also weary of journalists attacking each other rather than reporting the facts of a story. If they're misrepresenting the facts or flat out lying, that is something else. Establishing a bias from Solomon just isn't going to be enough to dissuade me from any evidence he may of that is of merit. I'm also looking into what the memos actually say. If I can even get them, of course.

Again, I'm digesting all of it.

Not just SydneyB's article. ;)

I did not. Being the son of the Vice President doesn't guarantee direct access to the office of the President. Even if Hunter was Obama's son and was hired for his name, this still would not guarantee direct access to the office of the President. Again, it is not a crime to be hired on name recognition alone.

Again, if Hunter Biden admitted that he was using his influence to politically help Burisma, then that would be an entirely different situation. And illegal.

C'mon, good doctor. Joe denied having anything to do with his son's business, or knowing anyone at Burisma (Going by memory, could have that wrong), then a picture comes out of Hunter, Joe and Burisma execs golfing. Hunter had zero qualifications for that job, not even speaking Ukrainian.

Joe demanded that the Ukraine fire the lead prosecutor, which they did, by withholding a billion dollars. That's influence.

That argument would hold weight if the lead prosecutor that Joe Biden had fired wasn't already going soft on Burisma. There was no corporate benefit to losing that prosecutor. The United States, at the time, pushed for a more assertive prosecutor.

Read this:
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

Thanks for the link, I'll need more time consume.

So far, I've read nothing that contradicts my statement but... It appears the American company representing Burisma may have influenced political parties to remove Shokin. Not exactly illegal, but definitely shady and definitely leads some credence to any claim that Burisma used their connection to Biden to remove the prosecutor by using, as the memos claim, "false information" That is troubling. If that false information was that Shokin was not "going soft" on his investigations to corruption then that is certainly a contradiction.

Shokin may have been the victim of bad publicity and that might've pushed US representatives to see him removed.

Again, I'll need time to read the whole thing and dissect it. And unfortunately our comment chain is at an end. I'll be happy to continue the conversation, with your permission, if I find anything worthy of a response.

Maybe this is just fake news vs fake news but just in case you want more to dissect ..... These seem to add a little context to that other link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/media/jimmy-finkelstein-the-hill-ukraine/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/11/media/right-wing-media-trump-impeachment/index.html

Let me know what you think.

Is the comedy store a government entity? What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Trump admitted on tv he would rather believe Putin than his fellow Americans and that's treason

But giving pallets of cash to terrorists isn't !

Mere words fail to describe the immensity of your f**king stupidity.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Joe never claimed to be a part of the Burisma Human Relations department. Burisma made a deal with Hunter and Joe to gain direct access to the US Executive branch. That's either Hunter selling access to Joe, or Joe selling access by pimping his son to Burisma. Hunter admitted it, on camera.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

The f**king idiot that is sooooooooooo desperate to avoid any talk of corruption is telling me to buy a dictionary.

How about you look up "corruption", moron?

How about "quid pro quo" while you are at it?

How about a big one : "extortion"?

These are all things you are so f**king desperate to avoid talking about you could piss your pants right now. We have Quid Pro Joe ON F**KING CAMERA admitting to extorting the Ukraine, and now his crotch-fruit Hunter has been caught ON F**KING CAMERA admitting to the pay-for-play.

Why don't you want to talk about THAT, Captain Clusterf**k?

The rest of us sane, rational people find it very interesting. You? Who the f**k knows what is being vomited up in your diseased mind.

That isn't at all what I'm talking about, and doesn't apply - because Joe doesn't own Burisma or have influence on their hiring practices. Burisma saw it advantageous to have direct access to the US Executive branch.

Burisma hired Hunter to get direct access to Joe and Obama. That's influence peddling, not nepotism.

Better yet, why doesn't the authorities who think he's guilty have him arrested and prove he's guilty. You know, like the way the American court system works.

No, the meme flew over your head.

American's don't prove their innocence. The prosecution has to prove their guilt.

But that would require an investigation. They know there is nothing to investigate.

Better yet... why didn't Congress refer criminal charges to the DOJ, arrest President Trump and prove he is guilty... You know, like the way the American court system works.

It's different for a President but you know that.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Explain in detail how it is different.

I am giddy with the realization you have backed your incredibly stupid ass into a rhetorical corner. Either you explain, or you have to admit

BY YOUR OWN INCREDIBLY STUPID F**KING LOGIC

how Presidents are above the law.

So do tell - EXACTLY HOW is it "different"?

There are “structural principles” in the Constitution that should at the least suggest that a President should not be arrested, possibly not even prosecuted.

It's a legal argument and has never been tested in actual court.

Is there something wrong with you?

This is the "centrist-conservative" party, after all.

Liar

Irrelavent. The impeachment and investigation and trial is about trump. Not biden. You want biden to testify, it's the doj job to investigate, indict and set a trial for hunter.

The House and Senate can investigate anything they want.

You just may be correct, who is the current head of the doj? I'll give you three guesses, and here is a clue, he's trumps buddy...

Not even the right use of that format

May as well. A lot of folks won't accept Trump's impeachment as legitimate unless "both sides" are put on trial. And I am 99% certain Hunter Biden didn't do anything wrong. So: call any and everyone to the stand and clear the air.

Was Hunter a beneficiary of nepotism? Sure. But so are Trump's children, at least 10x as much. And so are the children of a lot of politicians. That doesn't mean the President of the United States gets to budget his very limited and precious time pursuing them all -- and only in the opposing party to boot.

If Hunter Biden was really corrupt, then it's a job for the FBI, local authorities, or Burisma itself. Not a topic for Trump's first phone call with his foreign counterpart and certainly not for withholding billions in military aid.

You never proved this claim of Trump's kids benefiting 10X more then Hunter from nepotism. Name a foreign board any of them were appointed to through nepotism.

They're all at least 10x, if not 100x or more richer, than Hunter Biden in terms of net worth. I've seen no evidence any of them (Hunter included, to be fair) are staggering geniuses.

But Hunter's net worth as a 50 year old is $3 million (enough to retire early on, perhaps, but I don't know if I'd even consider that upper-class); while the Trump children are sitting pretty at net worths anywhere from $25 to $750 million -- although much like Donald Trump himself, no one really knows.

Further: Why is being appointed to the board of a foreign company somehow more suspicious evidence of nepotism than feeding at the trough of the family business? The latter is pretty much the textbook definition of nepotism.

If Hunter wasn't doing a good job or somehow serving the needs of those foreign companies, then they weren't exactly beholden to him and could have gotten rid of him. But: would Trump fire his own kids? Really?

How can you possibly compare someone working for their dad to a son of the vp, who was dealing with The Ukraine on a large scale, getting a job on a Ukrainian company known for corruption while not knowing the language or anything about the industry. Hunter himself admitted that he didn't know why he got hired and wouldn't be without his dad.

How many millions did Hunter blow on crack and w**res?

While Trump is protective of his kids but if they were incompetent, I could see Trump firing them. That's an opinion, like yours.

Btw Kylie Jenner is a billionaire. Is she a staggering genius?

Kylie JENNER? The one who sued to trademark the first name "Kylie" when no one outside the U.S. gives a flying F about her? Bahahahaha I am TRIGGERED

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I gotta say though: being a self-made billionaire (I think technically $900 million-aire?) at age 21 or whatever shows you are doing something right.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2019/03/05/at-21-kylie-jenner-becomes-the-youngest-self-made-billionaire-ever/

"Hunter himself admitted that he didn't know why he got hired and wouldn't be without his dad."

Well, sounds like Hunter has an ounce of self-awareness and humility, which is nice. A good place to insert a reminder that being hired because of who your dad is is not illegal, and certainly not something that justifies the personal involvement of POTUS. Again: FBI. Local authorities. Burisma itself. Lots of folks whose time would be better spent investigating something like that than the most powerful person in the world.

"How many millions did Hunter blow on crack and w**res?"

I am eagerly awaiting tangible evidence of all this stuff. Besides a paternity suit in Arkansas I haven't seen anything. Crack is not that expensive tbh, and neither are Ukrainian w**res, really.

We all know the Kylie in your name refers to Jenner, despite your attempts to distract with pic's of some Aussie bimbo :)

Is this you trying to hide your insecurity that you didn't know who Kylie Minogue was?

LOL even if that were true, which it isn't, Kyliefan has been pushing her here for months. I'd have to be blind not too know who she is, not like I haven't heard her pop songs on radio etc.