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How about looking into the effects of being assigned drugs that come with a suicide warning.

I don't understand ur comment

I just think the priority should be looking into the connection between ssri's (Psychotropic drugs) and shootings.

yes and there are many factors we don't understand and any insight that could help us prevent gun deaths including suicides would be helpful

Agreed. I bet there is a correlation between mental homes being shut down and a rise in shootings.

Do you always fall for propaganda?

why do people leave vague comments?

What do think about the between 300,000 and three million people saved per year by guns?

hey DR S according to the database Gun Violence Archive, in 2017 there were 2,121 -incidents- of defensive use of firearms.

no estimate of lives saved.

but those folks must hav some real mojo and hav been in some terrible incidents to save 300,000 to three million people

in a total of 2,121 incidents.

so what other categories of gun incidents are u counting to come up with lives saved, or

r u making up -estimates- of lives saved based on -estimates- of events that did not occur? I don't count estimates of estimates as a study of verifiable incidents of some kind.

and no the Gun Violence Archive numbers don't match the CDC's, since they hav different categories.

The CDC study I used listed of lives saved and mentioned the 300,00 to three million people saved. "and no the Gun Violence Archive numbers don't match the CDC's, since they hav different categories." What different categories?

the -study- u cited in ur link above was a product of the

National Academics of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine

which is the nap.edu part of the link u listed

which has nothing at all to do with the US Centers for Disease Control.

and the chapter of the -not CDC study- u cited had to do with Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm Related Violence

in which they give the -contested- -estimate- of lives saved

and u can go back and read our posts over again from that point

and comment again after u quit making -stuff- up.

The CDC, NAS, and NPR all have all been my sources for all my claims, but you can't seem to be able to read what I've posted because of your clear confirmation bias.

where is that data from?

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

reading ur source:
-that number is in dispute
-the number is of defensive use of guns by crime victims, it does NOT equate to lives saved
-if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homicide, or the use of guns by those who invade the home of gun owners, this could cancel out or outweigh the benefits of defensive gun use.
-ur source is from 2013, long before the Dec 2018 statement by the CDC that gun deaths are at their highest rate in decades

A number in dispute is still hign in this case do to other studies by NPR, The CDC, etc. "the number is of defensive use of guns by crime victims, it does NOT equate to lives saved" When compared to the amount of lives taken by guns in violent crime per year it does. "if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homicide, or the use of guns by those who invade the home of gun owners, this could cancel out or outweigh the benefits of defensive gun use." Well of the number of crime is okkay if it can be prevented by guns. "ur source is from 2013, long before the Dec 2018 statement by the CDC that gun deaths are at their highest rate in decades" Well violent crime in the US as a whole has been falling since the early 90s, so this trend of gun violence is falling with it.

- the number from YOUR SOURCE does NOT equate to lives saved u can't just make it mean what u want. the number is amount of defensive use of guns by victims of crime only.
-ur statement "Well if the number of crime is okkay if it can bw prevented by guns." ? ????
-ur statement "Well violent crime in the US as a whole has been falling since the early 90s, so this trend of gun violence is falling with it." ? ???? did u read what u just wrote it is nonsensical.
--the CDC says that gun deaths are at their highest rate, and they include suicide in that. the CDC report included years through 2017. 2017 had already been "deemed the deadliest for mass shootings" including Las Vegas and Sutherland Springs.
--let me spell it out for u DR: even though the quantity of violent crime is going down -what u say- does NOT mean the death rate due to gun violence is going down. Got it???

Guns used to save lives per year is much higher than the deaths and crimes caused by years, so it does affect it. "did u read what u just wrote it is nonsensical." Not really. You see gun crime is a type of violent crimes, so either the amount of times it happens or the amount times it doesn't happen will decrease, but the second one isn't occurring and it will be the former do to that fact. The last part of your comment also connects to my previous statement.

-there are no statistics available on lives saved by guns per year. that is not a reality based discussion. u r welcome to continue to tell yourself whatever u want, as u obviously hav been doing. there is one study, based on "phone calls and number extrapolation" the guesses at crimes prevented but that is it. let it go.

-the rate of how often gun or violent crime occurs -which is what u keep talking about- does not directly correlate to the number of deaths from gun or violent crime. one gun crime does not equal one death.

-if the CDC says that gun deaths r at the highest rate in decades, u should stop ur pavlovian response of reciting non-existent statistics and maybe think about what it means

for gun related deaths to be at the highest rate in decades.

--how we deal with guns in this country has to change if we want to decrease the number of gun deaths.

"there are no statistics available on lives saved by guns per year. that is not a reality based discussion. u r welcome to continue to tell yourself whatever u want, as u obviously hav been doing. there is one study, based on "phone calls and number extrapolation" the guesses at crimes prevented but that is it. let it go." You literally just saw one.

"the rate of how often gun or violent crime occurs -which is what u keep talking about- does not directly correlate to the number of deaths from gun or violent crime. one gun crime does not equal one death." Reread my comment. You see gun crime is a type of violent crimes, so either the amount of times it happens or the amount times it doesn't happen will decrease, but the second one isn't occurring and it will be the former do to that fact.

I don't need to respond if u just keep repeating urself. fancy graphic abt violent crime not abt gun deaths

You clearly haven't been reading the comments I've posted, so I'll just leave it at this if you can't understand what I'm saying.

M8 when you say ¨There are no statistics available on lives saved by guns per year.¨ your essentially saying the CDC study is not reliable yet you are using it as well

CDC study is about gun deaths not lives saved by guns. how many non sequiturs do I hav to deal with on this topic?

It was also about lives saved by guns

I love how gun nuts argue ad nauseam that guns are the one size fits all solution to violent crime!
It's never that simple. You want to see crimes of violence decrease? Try decriminalizing drugs,substituting treatment for incarceration;it worked for Portugal, which saw drug use AND crime decrease,in defiance of what law enforcement predicted.
Reduce environmental contaminants, which can reduce IQ & destroy impulse control as surely as drugs can.
Make sure that organic farming is subsidized & that US children get adequate nutrition, which can prevent neurological problems that can incite violence & lack of impulse control.
Make adequate mental health services as well as REAL medical coverage available for all US citizens.
This would reduce the bumper crop of angry young men who watch their working class parents be sucked dry by a wealth-coddling system,& then thrown into the streets when too old & sick to pay any more taxes for the aristocrats to live high off the hog on.
Start spending $ on LIFE instead of weapons of war!
War makes many orphans.
Some are collateral damage,like little Magnus Ahren,8-whose father was one of the 5 cops slain by Afghanistan vet.Micah Johnson in the Dallas 7/7/2016 BLM protests.
Johnson's PTDS & impulse control issues were not adequately addressed by the army, which simply discharged him into our streets.
Even vets who receive VA care must contend w/ the VA playing musical meds w/ their prescriptions.
We have few services to help men broken by war heal;the result is chaos for innocent civilians,as well as the families of vets.

Yes,most public shooting were done by folks on psychotropic drugs. Some were self medicating,others may have been innapropriately prescribed.
Our current system of seeing patients on an assembly line leaves much to be desired. Often meds that do more harm than good are prescribed. And that's if a troubled soul DOES manage to get psychiatric care in America!
The violence is a SYMPTOM of a serious illness,& a gun prescription as its cure is as senseless as the old practice of bleeding folks when they fell ill!
The Dallas tragedy is the ultimate rebuttal to the fallacious claim that everything would be hunky dory if only everyone toted guns. All 14 of the officers shot were armed,alert,& trained to shoot rapidly in self defense. They were surrounded by protective colleagues. Still they died helplessly whilst trying to protect others. No,guns will never be the answer to reducing crime.

Gun ownership raises the risk of suicide? Are you reading what you write before you post it?

believe the point is that if x number of people r depressed or considering suicide, gun owners, having access to a proven method if suicide, may go thru with suicide more often than non gun owners, who have find a means to kill themselves.

also not sure if I found instance u were referring to but most of my comments were from source materials this was not my theory it was brought up in one of the studies

I was responding to the "...if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homocide...". The way it's worded sounds like merely owning a gun makes someone want to kill themselves or commit crimes, which then implies that gun owners are criminals simply for owning a gun.
Also, suicide by gun is pretty messy and scary even for someone considering suicide. Usually a suicidal person will try to overdose on sleeping pills. But having sleeping pills wouldn't make someone suicidal, either (unless that is one of the side effects of the drug).

ok that source was going a long way around to say if u own a gun u r more likely to use it ... in some way. suicide or homicide r just ways that item (the gun someone happens to own) can be used vs. non gun owners.

on memory-- thought studies showed suicide preference by male or female maybe it was men more often use a gun.

think women tend to use pills --this from memory too-- the overdose of a prescription drug. it us just the -- this pill is here I will use this if someone is in that frame of mind.

My point is that you have to already be suicidal and that will cause you to look for ways to commit suicide. Objects are not the cause of the suicidal thoughts.
I agree that there were studies that showed men were more likely than women to use a gun to commit suicide, and women were more likely to use pills. It had to do with women not wanting to make a mess (pills), and men wanting to go out in a blaze of glory (gun).

agree to all.

Lemme ask you 1 question, simple yes or no answer will do. Just yes or no, got it?

If you could go back in time and right b4 those pos killed Medgar Evers and you could give him an Uzi, would you?

question is unanswerable with ur prohibitions

what prohibitions? You either give him an uzi to shoot the klan or you let him die, very simple .I'd give him 2

if I could go back in time to sav him it wouldn't be by giving him an uzi. y said yes or no is how I had to answer. yes absolutely save him no not with an uzi.

well you cant fight 20 guys without an uzi

me and Megdar and "a few" others but it can't happen.

I'd want to prob help beat the shit out if them myself

the CDC statistics on gun deaths released in Dec 2018; summaries published by Time magazine and The Hill.

2017 had the highest number of gun related deaths in nearly four decades.

39,773 recorded deaths from firearms

14,542 homicides; this includes mass shooting deaths

23,854 from suicide; in the US suicide is legal and statistics are separate from crime statistics

486 unintentional

338 undetermined

553 legal intervention, operations of war

No mention of "lives saved" by guns. No mention.

the CDC did not hav a category related to defensive gun use.