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Trump needs to learn to shut his moronic mouth and use some decorum
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Well, Larry, it's less of a First Amendment issue and more of an employers rights issue.
The players have every right to express themselves.
Some of us, however, would prefer that they express themselves on their own time rather than when they are at work.
Therefore, we're asking the league and the networks to correct the problem (meaning that we too are expressing ourselves using our First Amendment rights).
This puts the league in the position of pissing off its paying customers or pissing off its employees.
Honestly, I'm past it now because the whole debate has reached silliness.
If the networks are losing viewership, just don't show the National Anthem portion. The players can still protest, but the only people that will see it are those in the stadiums.
Or, the league can do away with the National Anthem totally. Where is it written that the National Anthem is required to play football?
Or, as employers, the league can discipline their employees. Then, as employees, the players can decide whether it's worthwhile or not to continue their childish behavior...I mean, ah, freedom of expression.
Ask Colin Kaepernick how that all worked out for him.
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The academic discussion concerning the First Amendment is interesting. Most people believe that the Constitution's framers intended that the Chief Executive be held accountable for not infringing on freedom of expression. Therefore, the President is possibly openly violating the civil rights of these employees by saying that they should be fired. He is not Joe Six Pack, but the most powerful person in the country. I cannot imagine any other president singling out any other group of people for such an attack. The fact that the protest is against the killing of unarmed black men by police officers probably figured into his attack. After all, he has invested a lot of time and effort in garnering the support of those who think such killings are a good thing. As a Veteran and one who worked for Veterans for three decades, I know many of my friends would take offense with what Kapernick did. I thought it was the wrong way to express his anger. But, it is his right, and he is paying the price for what he did. That is separate from the president's possibly illegal attempts to interfere with others' attempts to express themselves. And, these guys get paid to play foodball once the whistle blows. They are not paid to listen to the national anthem.
I don't know exactly what Trump said, but whatever it was, I'm sure it doesn't fall under the category of illegal speech. I'm not a Trump supporter, but he has his freedom of speech just like the athletes who criticize him.
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What does the killing of unarmed black men (which by the way it happens to unarmed white men as well) by police officers have to do with disrespecting the national anthem, the flag, and those who fought for it? I really don't see how the 2 coincide with each other.
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It is a sign of protest. I thought Kapernick chose the wrong way to do so. Because, instead of this being about a serious problem (and the relative numbers of blacks, although unarmed white people being killed is a problem, also.) Kapernick is black and therefore his protest has to do with black citizens. Every person in one of those graves took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution. They did it for us.
They died protecting that Constitution. I took that oath, and lived. America is the Constitution above everything else. Anytime the President chooses which Americans he chooses to represent, we have a problem. When he praises people in Charlottesville carrying the flag of traitors (the Confederacy) as fine people, exercising their free speech rights then calls people exercizing their rights in ways that he doesn't like "Sons of B**ches," we have a problem. He has chosen to not be the Presdient of a large number of people. I cannot think of any other President who has done that, because the rest of them understood how America works and what the President's job is.
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I understand that it is a protest, but their logic behind it is what doesn't make sense. First off, if you look at the actual numbers killed, not percentages based off of the number of people in each race, there are more white men killed by cops than black. Even then, when police officers tarted becoming targets for protests, there were innocent police officers being targeted, because these people were making the claim the minority of police officers that did these killings represent all police officers. Now with these athletes doing these protests at sporting events, they are claiming now those few cops are now representing the entire country as being racists.
Actually Trump is representing the vast majority when he shows disapproval for how these athletes are protesting. I never thought Obama represented me, and I am a white, Christian, straight, male. It is a minority of the population that live a homosexual lifestyle, but he represented those minority by making it a federal law for same-sex marriage, which legally means it ranks it higher in a legal status that traditional marriage. Obama was also trying to represent illegals and refugees, which are not even citizens of this country. Also forcing people into a healthcare system they can't afford and then fining them for not wanting it doesn't represent the people either. So maybe you can tell me how exactly Obama represented me, because I have yet to see how he did.
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I am an atheist. But, I always pause and wait while people pray in my presence. I don't question why they do so. I don't challenge their rights to pray at times that have nothing to do with church or religious rituals. Why? Because, as free Americans, they don't need my approval. President Obama never excluded anyone while trying to make our country more inclusive. Neither did President Bush, or any other president I can think of. If you did not pay your taxes when Mr. Bush was president, you would be fined, because that was the law. Laws change with every year. We can work to change the laws we do not like. But, we are expected to obey the law. Your state probably forces you to insure your car and you resent insuring yourself? Please. Maybe you didn't notice that the country recovered from a major recession, killed bin Laden and reduced CO2 in the atmosphere by 12% when Obama was president. As for majority, the current Republican president was elected with a minority. A minority of Americans approve of his performance. You are free to think otherwise. This is America.
"As for majority, the current Republican president was elected with a minority. A minority of Americans approve of his performance." When Obama made the ACA law, the minority approved of him. For the majority of the rest of his time in office, the minority approved of him. That is 6 years worth of the majority disapproval. We haven't even completed 1 year of Trump yet. As far as the minority electing him, I would really like to see all voter registrations for everyone that voted. If you were to look at the population of illegal immigrants in each state in 2014, 54% lived in states where Clinton won. I don't think we will ever really know how many illegals actually did vote and what impact it had. There have been videos though showing the electronic voting machines were rigged and switched votes. Videos have been found of ballot boxes were being stuffed. There were some illegals found voting. So I really do find doubt that Hillary actually won the majority. I find it even more funny that the democrats who pushed for the electronic voting machines after the 2000 election, and yet they are the ones that claim the machines were hacked in 2016 to favor Trump. But really it doesn't matter at this point who the majority supposedly voted for. The system was created to keep certain areas from controlling the election, and in 2016 California alone could have controlled the entire election if majority vote was the deciding factor. The fact is Trump is our president, period. I never wanted Obama, but when he was elected I accepted it and let him do what he was going to do. I felt more negatively impacted by his decisions than anything positive, but I still said he was my president. Too bad too many liberals are too self absorbed to be able to show the same respect to our current president and allow him to do what he is going to do, and actually wait for him to do something that justifies impeachment before trying to call for his impeachment. So far nothing he has done has warranted that.
So with all the stupidity in this comment, I have a feeling this is going to turn into a 2 if not 3 comment response to not only cover everything, but to explain things that you clearly do not understand.
"I am an atheist. But, I always pause and wait while people pray in my presence. I don't question why they do so." So if you don't question why they are praying, how do you know that they are not praying because of something with the church or religious rituals? I am not sure how this even comes close to tying in with why these athletes feel they have the right to not only disrespect this country and the people who have fought for it, but because of the reason for their protest and how they are doing it, they are literally calling everyone in this country racist. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest the killing of black men by police officers, although statistically more black men are killed by other black men then there are black men being killed by cops but that is a whole different discussion. And it isn't a matter of being disruptive about it either, just the lack of disrespect it shows. What exactly do they expect to accomplish by doing this? Make people prove they are not racist by demanding the removing or killing of all law enforcement officers?
"President Obama never excluded anyone while trying to make our country more inclusive." In order to address this, you are going to have to be more specific in what you think Obama actually did to make this country more inclusive.
"If you did not pay your taxes when Mr. Bush was president, you would be fined, because that was the law." People were fined for not paying taxes long before Bush was president. So really I have no idea why you decided to mention Bush in any of this. There is a purpose for why we are to pay taxes, to better this country in different investments and to cover costs for what the government pays for; like military salaries (way too low), government salaries (way too high), and things like road repairs. In essence, paying taxes does more than just provide benefits for myself.
"Laws change with every year. We can work to change the laws we do not like." Majority of the people have been disgusted with Obamacare and its requirements, especially when it has hurt more people than it has helped. People have been working at getting it changed or removed from the beginning, but yet apparently this must be 1 law that can't be changed.
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"But, we are expected to obey the law." Do you realize the stupidity of this statement when you support a president who supported those who probably broke the most important law we have, being a US citizen? Just because they follow other laws does that mean we should allow them to break this law? Doesn't seem logical if US citizens are required to follow all laws. However Obama's DACA program allows them to break the law of being a US citizen.
"Your state probably forces you to insure your car and you resent insuring yourself? Please." So lets talk about car insurance. What does car insurance do? It covers you in case you are in an accident, how much can be determined if the accident was your fault or not and what type of coverage you have. The most important thing car insurance does is protect you when you are not at fault for the accident and the other person is not covered by any insurance. So this means that when others are involved and not insured, you are still covered. If we were in a car accident and I didn't have car insurance but you did, if I was the one responsible for the accident, your insurance company would cover you and then come after me and I would be responsible for covering both your cost and my cost. If the accident was your fault, your insurance company would cover your cost, raise your rate, and I would be responsible for most if not all costs on my own vehicle. Now lets take a look at health insurance. Starting around 2007 to Mid 2015 I was uninsured. My total cost of doctor visits was less than the premiums I paid just last year being insured. I completely covered all costs of my doctor visits. Who did I impact by not having any insurance? Did your rates go up when I went in for an x-ray to find out the size of the kidney stone I had? No. Did you receive a bill from my doctor to have you cover my cost for seeing him when I was sick? No. In short, health insurance covers the person who is insured, no one else. Even if I was working for the company and didn't have any health insurance, when I visited the doctor, no one else would have been effected by it. However depending on the type of coverage covered, the number of doctor visits or amount of cost in hospital visits can a few employees can impact the cost to cover the rest of the employees, making those employees pay more. So tell me, what impact would you experience by me choosing not to have health insurance?
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"Maybe you didn't notice that the country recovered from a major recession, killed bin Laden and reduced CO2 in the atmosphere by 12% when Obama was president." Just because someone is president when events take place, that doesn't mean they are responsible for what happened. If that was the case, Bush should be held responsible for 9/11. But lets cover these events, shall we. The Great Recession: Actually Bush can be given credit for this, as the steepest drops in the GDP stopped before Obama even took office. All Obama had to do at this point is not do any tax hikes or massive new regulations and the economy would grow on its own. There are studies that show his stimulus package didn't do as much for the Great Recession as they claim it did. Killing of bin Laden: 4 years before the death of bin Laden, which means during the Bush administration, the identity of the courier that led to find of bin Laden was determined. 2 years prior the location of where he operated at in Pakistan was discovered, which can be placed either at the end of the Bush administration or at the beginning of the Obama administration. There is not clear time line to know exactly which could be responsible, although I would point more towards Bush since they had already been working on this before Obama took office. Now comes the saddest part of this entire thing. Obama takes the credit. He doesn't give it to the military, and he only included the Bush administration after it was made clear this wasn't a war against Islam. Obama stated “shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al-Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.” which shows he wants to personally take credit for everything, even though people had been working 10 years on it prior to him taking office. CO2 emissions: Obama didn't enact the CCP until about 2015. Between the years of 2007 and 2014, electricity produced by coal had gone down by 10%, possibly 15% in total by 2015, with emissions going down by 15%. All this goes to show that just because Obama was in office when these things took place, that doesn't mean he was the cause for it.
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